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How would you prove it?
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:16 pm
by OSBF
We were talking over lunch today in our breakroom, if you were pulled over by the police, how would you prove that you are a US citizen? Most of us only routinely carry a drivers liscense, but that really doesn't mean anything. A guy that works here employs a number of "un-documented" workers in his livestock farming operation, and all of them have a drivers liscense, insurance card, and vehicle registration.
So..........how do you prove citizenship? How would you if you were asked to?
Re: How would you prove it?
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:18 pm
by dbackjon
Recite all the state capitals
Re: How would you prove it?
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:21 pm
by Rob Iola
I fit the profile of a US citizen, so I'm not worried about being pulled over for citizenship issues...
Not when the cop's busy busting my ass for driving 55 in a school zone...
Re: How would you prove it?
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:21 pm
by Col Hogan
Why would I ever have to prove my citizenship???
Re: How would you prove it?
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:23 pm
by OSBF
Col Hogan wrote:Why would I ever have to prove my citizenship???
If yer pulled over by the police in Arizona
You might pass for Canadian
Re: How would you prove it?
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:25 pm
by dbackjon
Col Hogan wrote:Why would I ever have to prove my citizenship???
I thought you supported the Arizona law...
Re: How would you prove it?
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:25 pm
by dbackjon
OSBF wrote:Col Hogan wrote:Why would I ever have to prove my citizenship???
If yer pulled over by the police in Arizona
You might pass for Canadian
Not the good Colonel.
Re: How would you prove it?
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:27 pm
by Col Hogan
dbackjon wrote:Col Hogan wrote:Why would I ever have to prove my citizenship???
I thought you supported the Arizona law...
100%
Are you telling me the law looks at citizenship status...not immigration status???
Re: How would you prove it?
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:28 pm
by AZGrizFan
Col Hogan wrote:Why would I ever have to prove my citizenship???
Because, you Puerto Rican bastard.
Re: How would you prove it?
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:31 pm
by Col Hogan
AZGrizFan wrote:Col Hogan wrote:Why would I ever have to prove my citizenship???
Because, you Puerto Rican bastard.
That's Mister to you...
Re: How would you prove it?
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:31 pm
by dbackjon
Col Hogan wrote:dbackjon wrote:
I thought you supported the Arizona law...
100%
Are you telling me the law looks at citizenship status...not immigration status???
So you are a citizen. how do you prove that you are a citizen, not an immigrant??
Re: How would you prove it?
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:32 pm
by OSBF
Col Hogan wrote:dbackjon wrote:
I thought you supported the Arizona law...
100%
Are you telling me the law looks at citizenship status...not immigration status???
OK, how would you prove you are a legal resident?
Re: How would you prove it?
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:33 pm
by Col Hogan
dbackjon wrote:Col Hogan wrote:
100%
Are you telling me the law looks at citizenship status...not immigration status???
So you are a citizen. how do you prove that you are a citizen, not an immigrant??
Again, if stopped by an Arizona LEO once the law goes into effect, will he he/she have the authority to check my citizenship status...or immigration status???
Re: How would you prove it?
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:35 pm
by AZGrizFan
Re: How would you prove it?
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:36 pm
by OSBF
Col Hogan wrote:dbackjon wrote:
So you are a citizen. how do you prove that you are a citizen, not an immigrant??
Again, if stopped by an Arizona LEO once the law goes into effect, will he he/she have the authority to check my citizenship status...or immigration status???
Stop deflecting. Just directly answer the question, how would you prove that you are either a citizen or legal resident?
Could you? Could any of us do it quickly and easily?
Something to think about.
Re: How would you prove it?
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:38 pm
by Col Hogan
OSBF wrote:Col Hogan wrote:
Again, if stopped by an Arizona LEO once the law goes into effect, will he he/she have the authority to check my citizenship status...or immigration status???
Stop deflecting. Just directly answer the question, how would you prove that you are either a citizen or legal resident?
Could you? Could any of us do it quickly and easily?
Something to think about.
If you really don't understand the difference between the two...how the hell can I answer the question???
No deflection...tell me what the Arizona LEO will check, and I'll answer the question...
Re: How would you prove it?
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:39 pm
by dbackjon
Col Hogan wrote:dbackjon wrote:
So you are a citizen. how do you prove that you are a citizen, not an immigrant??
Again, if stopped by an Arizona LEO once the law goes into effect, will he he/she have the authority to check my citizenship status...or immigration status???
Again, for the purposes of this law, if they suspect you are illegal, how do you, a citizen, prove that you are NOT. You can't prove that you are a LEGAL immigrant, because you are a citizen. Therefore, you would have to prove your CITIZENSHIP.
Re: How would you prove it?
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:41 pm
by OSBF
Col Hogan wrote:OSBF wrote:
Stop deflecting. Just directly answer the question, how would you prove that you are either a citizen or legal resident?
Could you? Could any of us do it quickly and easily?
Something to think about.
If you really don't understand the difference between the two...how the hell can I answer the question???
No deflection...tell me what the Arizona LEO will check, and I'll answer the question...
I'll type slower this time...............
If you were asked to prove that you are either a US citizen or a legal resident alien, could you do so?
Re: How would you prove it?
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:44 pm
by Col Hogan
dbackjon wrote:Col Hogan wrote:
Again, if stopped by an Arizona LEO once the law goes into effect, will he he/she have the authority to check my citizenship status...or immigration status???
Again, for the purposes of this law, if they suspect you are illegal, how do you, a citizen, prove that you are NOT. You can't prove that you are a LEGAL immigrant, because you are a citizen. Therefore, you would have to prove your CITIZENSHIP.
LEGAL immigrants can very easily prove their status...the have a passport, with the appropriate visas...if they are working, they have a green card...students have a student visa...and if they are not carrying their passport, they are in violation of their status until they can produce it...
Me...I simply say to the officer "Porqué es usted que molesta yo, vato" as I hand him my military ID...
Re: How would you prove it?
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:47 pm
by dbackjon
Col Hogan wrote:dbackjon wrote:
Again, for the purposes of this law, if they suspect you are illegal, how do you, a citizen, prove that you are NOT. You can't prove that you are a LEGAL immigrant, because you are a citizen. Therefore, you would have to prove your CITIZENSHIP.
LEGAL immigrants can very easily prove their status...the have a passport, with the appropriate visas...if they are working, they have a green card...students have a student visa...and if they are not carrying their passport, they are in violation of their status until they can produce it...
Me...I simply say to the officer "Porqué es usted que molesta yo, vato" as I hand him my military ID...
And your wife? How does she prove it?
Re: How would you prove it?
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:49 pm
by Rob Iola
dbackjon wrote:Col Hogan wrote:
LEGAL immigrants can very easily prove their status...the have a passport, with the appropriate visas...if they are working, they have a green card...students have a student visa...and if they are not carrying their passport, they are in violation of their status until they can produce it...
Me...I simply say to the officer "Porqué es usted que molesta yo, vato" as I hand him my military ID...
And your wife? How does she prove it?
If she's deported he simply gets a new one - lots of hot young models for a studly guy like Hogan to check out...
Re: How would you prove it?
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:49 pm
by Col Hogan
dbackjon wrote:Col Hogan wrote:
LEGAL immigrants can very easily prove their status...the have a passport, with the appropriate visas...if they are working, they have a green card...students have a student visa...and if they are not carrying their passport, they are in violation of their status until they can produce it...
Me...I simply say to the officer "Porqué es usted que molesta yo, vato" as I hand him my military ID...
And your wife? How does she prove it?
She pulls out her military dependents ID that has my name and ssan on it and hands it to the officer...
Re: How would you prove it?
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:50 pm
by Col Hogan
Rob Iola wrote:dbackjon wrote:
And your wife? How does she prove it?
Which one?
Damn it rob...I told you not to talk about that here...
Re: How would you prove it?
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:00 pm
by JMU DJ
I would slip the cop a five dollar bill and then say:
"Officer, I swear that I am a US Citizen. Mr. Lincoln agrees, and he's never told a lie."
Re: How would you prove it?
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:09 pm
by Baldy
OSBF wrote:Col Hogan wrote:
Again, if stopped by an Arizona LEO once the law goes into effect, will he he/she have the authority to check my citizenship status...or immigration status???
Stop deflecting. Just directly answer the question, how would you prove that you are either a citizen or legal resident?
Could you? Could any of us do it quickly and easily?
Something to think about.
Um, that's simple.
According to the AZ law, if you produce a valid drivers license, you are automatically assumed to the a legal resident.
End of discussion.
