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The master plan is to take down the government and let other nations occupy parts of the United States. They want to create a reeducation program and those who will defy them - estimated at 25 million - will be terminated. This is from Ayers own words.


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native wrote:The master plan is to take down the government and let other nations occupy parts of the United States. They want to create a reeducation program and those who will defy them - estimated at 25 million - will be terminated. This is from Ayers own words.


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Not even you could believe this.......................lol

I guess what you mean by this thread is that Obama also feels this way? I think that's quite the reach, even for you, Native, but I also think the idea that these ideas could go anywhere is absurd.

When you compare the modern United States to other modern European countries (except for Great Britain, unless someone has an example I'm unaware of), the stark contrast between us and them is the complete absence of any one radical stance in either the left or right direction taking enough hold to actually influence anything. I mean Germany had the Red Army Faction, Italy had the Red Brigades, which spread all over Europe, Ireland had the IRA (or PIRA), the ETA in Spain, Lenin/Stalin in Russia, etc. A lot of these countries also had extreme right-wing crazies in charge only a few decades earlier. Hitler in Germany, Mussolini in Italy, Francisco Franco in Spain, to name the notable ones.

I often hear people say that the stark polarity in American politics is a horrible thing, but really breaking it down, it may be the one thing keeping all the radical ideas in check. Any time a crazy left-wing or right-wing group sprouts up and starts to cause a ruckus, not only does the government step in and squash it like a bug, but more importantly the general population (or at least one side) calls it on its bullshit.

I think that's one of the main reasons we as Americans really have less to worry about when it comes to anyone taking over our government in the way other radical groups have in modern European countries. As much as I feel like a lot of the constant screaming and fear mongering about Obama is off base and annoying (just like the other side was doing it to Bush only a few years ago), it may be that which keeps our country constantly moderate in the grand scheme of things. The constant gridlock and polarity may be the one thing that keeps our nation from completely falling apart.

Of course, please let me know if you feel like I'm full of shit. It just might go to prove my point.

uofmman1122 wrote: Of course, please let me know if you feel like I'm full of shit. It just might go to prove my point.

You're full of shit.

Ayers is a leftist nut, to be sure.

Obama is friends with Ayers, this is not news.

I have lots of friends who I do not agree with ideologically.

Even if Obama was in lock-step with someone like Ayers, does it really matter? Would they ever be able to make the changes necessary to bring Ayer's utopia to fruition?

Nobody paid attention to this before the election, I'm not sure what makes anyone think it would be given any attention now.

All this being said, George W. Bush was pilloried for a much weaker relationship with the Saudi royal family. Just another example of "it's ok until you use it to criticize MY guy."

AZGrizFan wrote:

uofmman1122 wrote: Of course, please let me know if you feel like I'm full of shit. It just might go to prove my point.

You're full of shit.

CID1990 wrote:Ayers is a leftist nut, to be sure.

Obama is friends with Ayers, this is not news.

I have lots of friends who I do not agree with ideologically.

Even if Obama was in lock-step with someone like Ayers, does it really matter? Would they ever be able to make the changes necessary to bring Ayer's utopia to fruition?

Nobody paid attention to this before the election, I'm not sure what makes anyone think it would be given any attention now.

All this being said, George W. Bush was pilloried for a much weaker relationship with the Saudi royal family. Just another example of "it's ok until you use it to criticize MY guy."

Read First before you open your dumb azz mouth. They were never friends. They sat on the same board of Trustees with 8 other people, So how does this make them life long, Best Friends????

This is the EL CID Education at work.

This was discussed at length during the election. Obama proposed developing (re)education camps for youth, based in the southwest, to develop a national service "corp". This language was later codified by the House in 2009.

Do your fucking homework.

The Weather Underground scheme assumed communist takeover. The Obama (and other liberal) internal indoctrination schemes target the youth.

Go Green!!!

Go Red...

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uofmman1122 wrote:I guess what you mean by this thread is that Obama also feels this way? I think that's quite the reach, even for you, Native, but I also think the idea that these ideas could go anywhere is absurd.

When you compare the modern United States to other modern European countries (except for Great Britain, unless someone has an example I'm unaware of), the stark contrast between us and them is the complete absence of any one radical stance in either the left or right direction taking enough hold to actually influence anything. I mean Germany had the Red Army Faction, Italy had the Red Brigades, which spread all over Europe, Ireland had the IRA (or PIRA), the ETA in Spain, Lenin/Stalin in Russia, etc. A lot of these countries also had extreme right-wing crazies in charge only a few decades earlier. Hitler in Germany, Mussolini in Italy, Francisco Franco in Spain, to name the notable ones.

I often hear people say that the stark polarity in American politics is a horrible thing, but really breaking it down, it may be the one thing keeping all the radical ideas in check. Any time a crazy left-wing or right-wing group sprouts up and starts to cause a ruckus, not only does the government step in and squash it like a bug, but more importantly the general population (or at least one side) calls it on its bullshit.

I think that's one of the main reasons we as Americans really have less to worry about when it comes to anyone taking over our government in the way other radical groups have in modern European countries. As much as I feel like a lot of the constant screaming and fear mongering about Obama is off base and annoying (just like the other side was doing it to Bush only a few years ago), it may be that which keeps our country constantly moderate in the grand scheme of things. The constant gridlock and polarity may be the one thing that keeps our nation from completely falling apart.

Of course, please let me know if you feel like I'm full of ****. It just might go to prove my point.

It's not as absurd as you think. While I agree with much of what you say, in principle. You need to remember that it has been done before, TWICE. Fortunately for our dignity, we never undertook the "final solution", but to do so would have been the easiest part.

Many people are aware that our government placed United States citizens of Japanese and German decent in internment camps during WWII, but unfortunately most do not know that the same thing happened during WWI. These were radical policies undertaken by presidential administrations who weren't thought to be "radical" at all. In fact, history has been much too kind to both Woodrow Wilson and FDR, and that is such a shame.

Not saying Obama shares those views, but he does share the same philosophy on many many issues as his "Progressive" forefathers like Wilson and Roosevelt. Who could forget his promise to "fundamentally transform the United States of America". Nothing he does in the future will surprise me in the least.

travelinman67 wrote:This was discussed at length during the election. Obama proposed developing (re)education camps for youth, based in the southwest, to develop a national service "corp". This language was later codified by the House in 2009.

Do your **** homework.

The Weather Underground scheme assumed communist takeover. The Obama (and other liberal) internal indoctrination schemes target the youth.

Go Green!!!

Go Red...

[youtube][/youtube]

Just like we were taken over by the CCC.

uofmman1122 wrote:I guess what you mean by this thread is that Obama also feels this way? I think that's quite the reach, even for you, Native, but I also think the idea that these ideas could go anywhere is absurd.

When you compare the modern United States to other modern European countries (except for Great Britain, unless someone has an example I'm unaware of), the stark contrast between us and them is the complete absence of any one radical stance in either the left or right direction taking enough hold to actually influence anything. I mean Germany had the Red Army Faction, Italy had the Red Brigades, which spread all over Europe, Ireland had the IRA (or PIRA), the ETA in Spain, Lenin/Stalin in Russia, etc. A lot of these countries also had extreme right-wing crazies in charge only a few decades earlier. Hitler in Germany, Mussolini in Italy, Francisco Franco in Spain, to name the notable ones.

I often hear people say that the stark polarity in American politics is a horrible thing, but really breaking it down, it may be the one thing keeping all the radical ideas in check. Any time a crazy left-wing or right-wing group sprouts up and starts to cause a ruckus, not only does the government step in and squash it like a bug, but more importantly the general population (or at least one side) calls it on its bullshit.

I think that's one of the main reasons we as Americans really have less to worry about when it comes to anyone taking over our government in the way other radical groups have in modern European countries. As much as I feel like a lot of the constant screaming and fear mongering about Obama is off base and annoying (just like the other side was doing it to Bush only a few years ago), it may be that which keeps our country constantly moderate in the grand scheme of things. The constant gridlock and polarity may be the one thing that keeps our nation from completely falling apart.

Of course, please let me know if you feel like I'm full of ****. It just might go to prove my point.

Angela Merkel does not hang out with the Red Army Faction. Obama is close buddies with William Ayers and appoints wacko commies to his cabinet.

You make some good points, u22. To answer your question, no I do not think the re-education camps to currently be possible in the USA, but hell yes, I do believe that Obama would implement them if he could get away with it. It is a reach to say that re-education camps are right around the corner but it is not a reach to say that Obama might feel this way.

The Constitution, especially that pesky little Second Amendment, is what keeps our nation from falling apart.

CID1990 wrote:Ayers is a leftist nut, to be sure.

Obama is friends with Ayers, this is not news.

I have lots of friends who I do not agree with ideologically.

Even if Obama was in lock-step with someone like Ayers, does it really matter? Would they ever be able to make the changes necessary to bring Ayer's utopia to fruition?

Nobody paid attention to this before the election, I'm not sure what makes anyone think it would be given any attention now.

All this being said, George W. Bush was pilloried for a much weaker relationship with the Saudi royal family. Just another example of "it's ok until you use it to criticize MY guy."

Obama's relationship with Ayers is a lot deeper than just serving on the same board:
• Ayers and Obama worked together for years on the "Chicago Annenberg Challenge."
• Ayers and Obama served together on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, a separate charity organization.
• Obama had his political coming-out party in William Ayers' home.
• Ayers mentions Obama by name in a book he wrote in 1997, and mentions that the two are very close neighbors.
• Obama gave review of that same Ayers book for the Chicago Tribune.
• Obama and Ayers were both presenters together on a panel about juvenile justice.
• Both Obama and Ayers were close friends with the same person, Rashid Kalidi.

Other possible but unverified connections include: Ayers may have helped to write part of Obama's autobiography; Obama and Ayers shared an office space together for three years, on the same floor of the same building in Chicago; Ayers and Obama may have known each other as far back as 1981.

The question is not whether re-education camps are just around the corner. The question is just how symapthetic is Obama to Ayers' ideas, and how much of this nonsense would Obama support? The answer may not be "all of it," but it is damn sure not "none of it." In some ways, Obama truly is the "Manchurian" President.

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mrklean wrote:

CID1990 wrote:Ayers is a leftist nut, to be sure.

Obama is friends with Ayers, this is not news.

I have lots of friends who I do not agree with ideologically.

Even if Obama was in lock-step with someone like Ayers, does it really matter? Would they ever be able to make the changes necessary to bring Ayer's utopia to fruition?

Nobody paid attention to this before the election, I'm not sure what makes anyone think it would be given any attention now.

All this being said, George W. Bush was pilloried for a much weaker relationship with the Saudi royal family. Just another example of "it's ok until you use it to criticize MY guy."

Read First before you open your dumb azz mouth. They were never friends. They sat on the same board of Trustees with 8 other people, So how does this make them life long, Best Friends????

This is the EL CID Education at work.

You got me, Klean. I bow to your superior intellect.

BTW- you might want to take your own advice. I simply said they are friends. Obama and Ayers both have acknowledged this. Bill Ayers has already visited the White House, as well.

Again, not news.