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Deficit Hawk

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:33 am
by kalm
Someone who opposes serious cuts in defense spending? :mrgreen:

Published on Friday, June 11, 2010 by The Hill
Panel Recommends Nearly $1 Trillion in "Defense" Cuts
by Roxana Tiron

WASHINGTON - A panel commissioned by Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) is recommending nearly $1 trillion in cuts to the Pentagon’s budget during the next 10 years.

An Ohio-class nuclear submarine. The Sustainable Defense Task Force, a commission of scholars from a broad ideological spectrum appointed by Frank, the House Financial Services Committee chairman, laid out actions the government could take that could save as much as $960 billion between 2011 and 2020.
class="MsoNormal"> The Sustainable Defense Task Force, a commission of scholars from a broad ideological spectrum appointed by Frank, the House Financial Services Committee chairman, laid out actions the government could take that could save as much as $960 billion between 2011 and 2020.

Measures presented by the task force include making significant reductions to the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program, which has strong support from Defense Secretary Robert Gates; delaying the procurement of a new midair refueling tanker the Air Force has identified as one of its top acquisition priorities; and reducing the Navy’s fleet to 230 ships instead of the 313 eyed by the service.

Shipbuilding has strong support in the congressional defense committees, which write the Pentagon bills. Efforts to reduce the number of ships would run into resistance from the Pentagon and the shipbuilding lobby.

Frank on Friday warned that if he can’t convince Congress to act in the “general direction” of the task force recommendation, “then every other issue will suffer.” Not cutting the Pentagon's budget could lead to higher taxes and spending cuts detrimental to the environment, housing and highway construction.

The acceptance of the recommendations would depend on a “philosophical change" and a “redefinition of the strategy,” Frank said at press conference on Capitol Hill.

He said the creation of the deficit reduction commission offers the best opportunity for the reduction recommendations. Frank wants to convince his colleagues to write to the deficit reduction commission and warn that they would not approve any of the plans suggested by the commission unless reduction of military spending is included.

The task force has looked at various options to trim the Pentagon’s budget in order to reduce the deficit. Those include a reduction in Army and Marine Corps end-strength by cutting back on personnel stationed in Europe and Asia; and rolling back Army and Marine Corps personnel as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan end.

The panel also looked into reforming military compensation, which could save about $55 billion; saving $60 billion by reforming the military healthcare system; and reducing recruiting expenditures once the wars wind down to preserve about $5 billion.

All of these recommendations would be expected to engender congressional opposition.

The task force also suggested canceling the V-22 Osprey program and the Marine Corps’s troubled Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle.

The U.S. nuclear arsenal would also be on the chopping block, under the panel’s suggestions.

The task force recommends reducing the U.S. nuclear warhead total to 1,050.

Launchers would include 160 Minuteman missiles and seven Ohio-class submarines with 24 missiles (each with five warheads).

The panel also recommends retiring the Air Force bombers — “the bomber leg of the nuclear triad,” which includes land-based missiles and nuclear submarines — and ending work on the Trident II missile.

Frank acknowledged Friday that making cuts to the military’s healthcare system, known as Tricare, would be a “non-starter” with his congressional colleagues. But he said that suggestions on how to handle the nuclear arsenal and missile defense could get a “great deal” of support on the Hill.

Frank requested the creation of the task force in cooperation with Reps. Walter Jones (R-N.C.) and Ron Paul (R-Texas) and Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.).

The Project on Defense Alternatives coordinated the work of the task force, which included the following members: Carl Conetta, Project on Defense Alternatives; Benjamin Friedman, Cato Institute; William Hartung, New America Foundation; Christopher Hellman, National Priorities Project; Heather Hurlburt, National Security Network; Charles Knight, Project on Defense Alternatives; Lawrence J. Korb, Center for American Progress; Paul Kawika Martin, Peace Action; Laicie Olson, Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation; Miriam Pemberton, Institute for Policy Studies; Laura Peterson, Taxpayers for Common Sense; Prasannan Parthasarathi, Boston College; Christopher Preble, Cato Institute, and Winslow Wheeler, Center for Defense Information.

Re: Deficit Hawk

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:10 pm
by Chizzang
of course this will NEVER happen but it's a cute idea

People are controlled through fear... War Hawks know this and can always terrify the population into fighting imaginary boogy men and ramping up the war machine - there's way too much money in War

Too many portfolios triple in value for the war machine to slow down now



:rofl:

Re: Deficit Hawk

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:26 pm
by kalm
Chizzang wrote:of course this will NEVER happen but it's a cute idea

People are controlled through fear... War Hawks know this and can always terrify the population into fighting imaginary boogy men and ramping up the war machine - there's way too much money in War

Too many portfolios triple in value for the war machine to slow down now



:rofl:
I know, and that's what makes 90% of "smaller government", "deficit hawks" so hypocritical. :nod:

Re: Deficit Hawk

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:45 pm
by blueballs
What a terrific idea... let's put Barney Frank in charge of the "war machine's" budget!!!!!

Perhaps he'll be as good for the "war machine" as he has been for FNMA, FHLMC, Countrywide, and the mortgage and banking industries. :roll:

Re: Deficit Hawk

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 7:26 pm
by Baldy
blueballs wrote:What a terrific idea... let's put Barney Frank in charge of the "war machine's" budget!!!!!

Perhaps he'll be as good for the "war machine" as he has been for FNMA, FHLMC, Countrywide, and the mortgage and banking industries. :roll:
Yeah, I got halfway through the first sentence and when my eyes hit the words "Barney Frank", I said pffffffttt, so sense in reading any further. :lol:

Re: Deficit Hawk

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:57 pm
by Chizzang
Baldy wrote:
blueballs wrote:What a terrific idea... let's put Barney Frank in charge of the "war machine's" budget!!!!!

Perhaps he'll be as good for the "war machine" as he has been for FNMA, FHLMC, Countrywide, and the mortgage and banking industries. :roll:
Yeah, I got halfway through the first sentence and when my eyes hit the words "Barney Frank", I said pffffffttt, so sense in reading any further. :lol:

Plus he's a friggin' Lawyer... Yeesh


:coffee:

Re: Deficit Hawk

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:28 pm
by citdog
Chizzang wrote:of course this will NEVER happen but it's a cute idea

People are controlled through fear... War Hawks know this and can always terrify the population into fighting imaginary boogy men and ramping up the war machine - there's way too much money in War

Too many portfolios triple in value for the war machine to slow down now



:rofl:
WAR IS PEACE!!!
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY!!
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH!!


FOR MORE ON CLEEETSIES HYPOTHESIS GOOGLE "IRON MOUNTAIN REPORT"

Re: Deficit Hawk

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:17 pm
by travelinman67
Baldy wrote:
blueballs wrote:What a terrific idea... let's put Barney Frank in charge of the "war machine's" budget!!!!!

Perhaps he'll be as good for the "war machine" as he has been for FNMA, FHLMC, Countrywide, and the mortgage and banking industries. :roll:
Yeah, I got halfway through the first sentence and when my eyes hit the words "Barney Frank", I said pffffffttt, so sense in reading any further. :lol:
Ditto. Franks in the top 5 lying putz Congressmen. :ohno:

Re: Deficit Hawk

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:59 am
by native
travelinman67 wrote:
... Franks in the top 5 lying putz Congressmen. :ohno:

... of all time! :thumb:

Re: Deficit Hawk

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:20 am
by JayJ79
Chizzang wrote:of course this will NEVER happen but it's a cute idea

People are controlled through fear... War Hawks know this and can always terrify the population into fighting imaginary boogy men and ramping up the war machine - there's way too much money in War

Too many portfolios triple in value for the war machine to slow down now



:rofl:
We must defeat Eurasia. Or is it Eastasia that we're at war with?

Re: Deficit Hawk

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 6:31 am
by OL FU
New plan for deficit reduction, we build a wall around the newly discovered mineral deposit in Afghanistan, call it Americanistan, use the riches for ourselves and let the rest of the Talibanistanis shoot each other off their horses :nod:

out side the wall :thumb:

Re: Deficit Hawk

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 7:26 am
by travelinman67
OL FU wrote:New plan for deficit reduction, we build a wall around the newly discovered mineral deposit in Afghanistan, call it Americanistan, use the riches for ourselves and let the rest of the Talibanistanis shoot each other off their horses :nod:

out side the wall :thumb:
Spot on. :thumb:

And interestingly, the announcement comes on the heels of Australian PM Rudd's fiasco proposal of a 40% mining tax which has prompted multinationals Xstrata, Billiton and Rio Tinto to either shut down or begin drafting shut down/relocation proposals for their Au operations.

And with China and India chomping at the bit for resources...

...this is a magnificient opportunity for the Afghans to redirect their historical legacy.

Can't wait 'til those Taliban middle-managers get the corporate handbook section on sexual harrassment in the workplace.

:coffee: