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A few weeks back, Time magazine was musing that John McCain was in danger of sliding from “a long shot” to a “no-shot.” Around the same time, a hard-nosed former Hillary Clinton insider declared the race “effectively over” thanks to the McCain campaign’s ineptitude, the tanking U.S. economy and Obama’s advantages in cash, charisma and hope. And Obama, up by three to six points nationally, was about to leverage a much-anticipated trip to Iraq, Afghanistan and Europe into a pre-convention poll surge.

Instead, his supporters are now suffering a pre-Denver panic attack, watching as John McCain draws incrementally closer in state and national polls – with Rasmussen’s most recent daily national tracker showing a statistical dead heat.

AZGrizFan wrote:I've got a big plate of crow prepared for all those who've annointed Obama as the next president. I can't WAIT until 11/4/08!!!

Appaholic wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:I've got a big plate of crow prepared for all those who've annointed Obama as the next president. I can't WAIT until 11/4/08!!!

I'm sure you do........prepared and served by "undocumented workers"....

death dealer wrote:This race is far from over! Obama's biggest problem with having started out with such great momentum is going to be the opportunity for people to actually learn something about him before they vote, and realize what a mistake voting for him would be.

AZGrizFan wrote:

death dealer wrote:This race is far from over! Obama's biggest problem with having started out with such great momentum is going to be the opportunity for people to actually learn something about him before they vote, and realize what a mistake voting for him would be.

Yep. There's a reason all these big leads end up coming down to nail-biters....

MarkCCU wrote:I think a lot of people, including those that will be voting for the first time, will vote for the other white meat this November.

1) Baby Boomers have fvcked up the country
.

AZGrizFan wrote:

MarkCCU wrote:I think a lot of people, including those that will be voting for the first time, will vote for the other white meat this November.

1) Baby Boomers have fvcked up the country
.

Jesus H. Christ I get tired of that tired old argument.

D1B wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote: Jesus H. Christ I get tired of that tired old argument.

Whatever, it's true. Time for a change. Nothing will get better until all old white men are gone.

AZGrizFan wrote:

MarkCCU wrote:I think a lot of people, including those that will be voting for the first time, will vote for the other white meat this November.

1) Baby Boomers have fvcked up the country
.

Jesus H. Christ I get tired of that tired old argument.

Appaholic wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote: Jesus H. Christ I get tired of that tired old argument.

They haven't fokked it up as much as McCain's generation.....my parents generation.....the first generation whose offspring will not have it as well as they did......our parent's antipathy to what is going on in Washington and gullibility to fall for "bumper sticker" politics has led this country to where it is now.....sorry.....hell, i get pissed at my dad about the shit all the time......he'll bitch about polititcs and then go pull the lever for the same old shit he always pulls a lever for.......they should take away your right to vote when you start collecting SS.....

AZGrizFan wrote:

Appaholic wrote: They haven't fokked it up as much as McCain's generation.....my parents generation.....the first generation whose offspring will not have it as well as they did......our parent's antipathy to what is going on in Washington and gullibility to fall for "bumper sticker" politics has led this country to where it is now.....sorry.....hell, i get pissed at my dad about the shit all the time......he'll bitch about polititcs and then go pull the lever for the same old shit he always pulls a lever for.......they should take away your right to vote when you start collecting SS.....

My dad is apparently in your parents' generation...I'd hardly say they fvcked up the country. It's the tree hugging, environmental nazi lawsuit filing over regulating peacenik a-holes that have f**k[*] up this country. I think it's safe to say neither your parents nor my parents fit that mold. To cast dispersions on an entire generation for the acts of a relative (albeit powerful) few is disengenuous at best.

Appaholic wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote: My dad is apparently in your parents' generation...I'd hardly say they fvcked up the country. It's the tree hugging, environmental nazi lawsuit filing over regulating peacenik a-holes that have f**k[*] up this country. I think it's safe to say neither your parents nor my parents fit that mold. To cast dispersions on an entire generation for the acts of a relative (albeit powerful) few is disengenuous at best.

What generation has continually voted to empower people who continually voted to place financial burdens on future generations? And what generation, who, though their obstinance and refusal to negotiate with groups such as the Sierra Club led to the formation of radical groups such as ELF, Earth First!....so much so that Sierra Club seems reasonable now? It's not like these guys were fighting a world war or anything........I'm not suggesting that all the country's ills are their fault, but a fair majority of them can be laid at the feet of that generation IMO.....

AZGrizFan wrote:

Appaholic wrote: What generation has continually voted to empower people who continually voted to place financial burdens on future generations? And what generation, who, though their obstinance and refusal to negotiate with groups such as the Sierra Club led to the formation of radical groups such as ELF, Earth First!....so much so that Sierra Club seems reasonable now? It's not like these guys were fighting a world war or anything........I'm not suggesting that all the country's ills are their fault, but a fair majority of them can be laid at the feet of that generation IMO.....

Yeah...that generation also did a lot of good things...and I repeat my assertion that my dad and your dad probably don't deserve to be lumped in with the losers who did exactly what you suggest....

Appaholic wrote:Of course I don't hold my dad personally responsible, bu his peers from his generation.......blissful ignorance...

AZGrizFan wrote:

Appaholic wrote:Of course I don't hold my dad personally responsible, bu his peers from his generation.......blissful ignorance...

What I find interesting is that you'd rather blame those with "blissful ignorance" than those who actually FORMED groups like ELF, etc. THOSE are the wackos I'm talking about. I think, as is typically the case, the generation we speak of had their eye on the Russian ball, and neglected issues fermenting on the homefront. Then, by the time anyone DID realize there was an issue, the seeds of discontent had been sown and there was really no turning back. So, I guess in hindsight Patton was right. If we'd have just continued on into Moscow in 1945, things would look a LOT different now (and there'd be a few more Georgians alive today....)

Appaholic wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote: What I find interesting is that you'd rather blame those with "blissful ignorance" than those who actually FORMED groups like ELF, etc. THOSE are the wackos I'm talking about. I think, as is typically the case, the generation we speak of had their eye on the Russian ball, and neglected issues fermenting on the homefront. Then, by the time anyone DID realize there was an issue, the seeds of discontent had been sown and there was really no turning back. So, I guess in hindsight Patton was right. If we'd have just continued on into Moscow in 1945, things would look a LOT different now (and there'd be a few more Georgians alive today....)

No....I'd actually rather blame those who were creating the policies back then......and the one's who voted them in......our woes are not caused by ALF, ELF, Earth First!.....THAT'S disingenuous to say the least.....these groups have been nothing but a blip on this country's radar for what...last 15 years? Sure they were blinded by the Cold war to an extent, but it still doens't justify the debt they placed upon this generation and future geneations with their massive pork barrel spending projects.....and the sheeple kept voting hem in off of bumper sticker slogans and fear....