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NRA Makes Deal With The Devil

Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:49 am
by Col Hogan
The NRA is getting blasted on some message boards today by gun owners for the deal it's made with the Democratic leadership on Capital Hill...
House Democrats have offered to exempt the National Rifle Association from a sweeping campaign-finance bill, removing a major obstacle in the push to roll back the Supreme Court’s Citizens United ruling.


The NRA had objected to some of the strict financial disclosure provisions that Democrats have proposed for corporations and politically active nonprofits and that had kept moderate, pro-gun Democrats from backing the legislation.


But if the NRA signs off on the deal, the bill could come to the House floor as early as this week. The NRA said it would not comment until specific legislative language is revealed.
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The gist of gun-owners complaints are simple...the NRA is making it's own deal, throwing every other advocacy group under the bus...

Comments like this from an NRA member are typical on the message boards...
Equal protection anyone? This stinks and perfectly illustrates back door deals. I thought they had more morals. They are perfectly willing to throw out the principle. I'm so glad they aren't getting any more money from me.
:ohno:

Re: NRA Makes Deal With The Devil

Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:52 am
by AZGrizFan
They are LOBBYISTS. It's what they DO. And it's because of shenanigans like this that the NRA has never gotten a DIME of my money.

Re: NRA Makes Deal With The Devil

Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:56 am
by 93henfan
AZGrizFan wrote:They are LOBBYISTS. It's what they DO. And it's because of shenanigans like this that the NRA has never gotten a DIME of my money.
+1, and I'm about as wacko pro-gun as it gets. :D

Re: NRA Makes Deal With The Devil

Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:57 am
by AZGrizFan
93henfan wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:They are LOBBYISTS. It's what they DO. And it's because of shenanigans like this that the NRA has never gotten a DIME of my money.
+1, and I'm about as wacko pro-gun as it gets. :D
As am I... :nod: :nod:

Re: NRA Makes Deal With The Devil

Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:59 am
by native
AZGrizFan wrote:
93henfan wrote:
+1, and I'm about as wacko pro-gun as it gets. :D
As am I... :nod: :nod:
Me, too, and NOT for hunting, although that's an important side benefit.

Re: NRA Makes Deal With The Devil

Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:59 am
by mainejeff
I own guns in case any of you come to my door uninvited. :nod:

:coffee:

Re: NRA Makes Deal With The Devil

Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:01 am
by 93henfan
mainejeff wrote:I own guns in case any of you come to my door uninvited. :nod:

:coffee:
Mainejeff: right-wing nut job.

Re: NRA Makes Deal With The Devil

Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:05 am
by Col Hogan
93henfan wrote:
mainejeff wrote:I own guns in case any of you come to my door uninvited. :nod:

:coffee:
Mainejeff: right-wing nut job.
Just remember....most anti-2A folks aren't against owning guns themselves...they just don't want anyone else to own them... :nod:

Re: NRA Makes Deal With The Devil

Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:08 am
by mainejeff
Col Hogan wrote:
93henfan wrote:
Mainejeff: right-wing nut job.
Just remember....most anti-2A folks aren't against owning guns themselves...they just don't want anyone else to own them... :nod:
NO ONE is taking MY guns! :nod:

:coffee:

Re: NRA Makes Deal With The Devil

Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:09 am
by native
mainejeff wrote:
Col Hogan wrote:
Just remember....most anti-2A folks aren't against owning guns themselves...they just don't want anyone else to own them... :nod:
NO ONE is taking MY guns! :nod:

:coffee:
Good on ya! :thumb:

Now, as a liberal, can you shoot? :roll:

Are you willing to pul the trigger? :lol: :lol: :kisswink:

Re: NRA Makes Deal With The Devil

Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:26 am
by mainejeff
native wrote:Now, as a liberal, can you shoot? :roll:

Are you willing to pul the trigger? :lol: :lol: :kisswink:
Come on over (unannounced) and you'll find out. :nod:

:coffee:

Re: NRA Makes Deal With The Devil

Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:02 pm
by ALPHAGRIZ1
AZGrizFan wrote:
93henfan wrote:
+1, and I'm about as wacko pro-gun as it gets. :D
As am I... :nod: :nod:

Great, another bunch of white, crazy rednecks with guns............... :roll:

Re: NRA Makes Deal With The Devil

Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:10 pm
by native
mainejeff wrote:
native wrote:Now, as a liberal, can you shoot? :roll:

Are you willing to pul the trigger? :lol: :lol: :kisswink:
Come on over (unannounced) and you'll find out. :nod:

:coffee:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :thumb:

Re: NRA Makes Deal With The Devil

Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:22 pm
by 93henfan
ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
As am I... :nod: :nod:

Great, another bunch of white, crazy rednecks with guns............... :roll:
Let me make sure I have all your name-calling tallied from your various posts:

1. I'm a white, crazy redneck because I own a gun.
2. I'm a racist black because I voted for Obama.

You'll see in another thread where I admit I shop at Wal-Mart, so I guess I'm a penny-pinching Jew too?

Re: NRA Makes Deal With The Devil

Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:25 pm
by native
93henfan wrote:
ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:

Great, another bunch of white, crazy rednecks with guns............... :roll:
Let me make sure I have all your name-calling tallied from your various posts:

1. I'm a white, crazy redneck because I own a gun.
2. I'm a racist black because I voted for Obama.

You'll see in another thread where I admit I shop at Wal-Mart, so I guess I'm a penny-pinching Jew too?
You've hit the trifecta, Hen! :thumb: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hey, Alfie, how much does it cost in Montana to have your tongue surgically disconnected from your cheek? Does the procedure fall under Obamacare?

Re: NRA Makes Deal With The Devil

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:26 am
by GSUhooligan
93henfan wrote:
ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:

Great, another bunch of white, crazy rednecks with guns............... :roll:
Let me make sure I have all your name-calling tallied from your various posts:

1. I'm a white, crazy redneck because I own a gun.
2. I'm a racist black because I voted for Obama.

You'll see in another thread where I admit I shop at Wal-Mart, so I guess I'm a penny-pinching Jew too?
No, if you shop at Wal-Mart you're still either a crazy redneck or a racist black... Or a mexican with a house full of 20 other mexicans to feed.

Re: NRA Makes Deal With The Devil

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:44 am
by GSUhooligan
Here is the NRA's message to its members:
Statement From The National Rifle
Association On H.R. 5175, The Disclose Act

The National Rifle Association believes that any restrictions on the political speech of Americans are unconstitutional.
In the past, through the courts and in Congress, the NRA has opposed any effort to restrict the rights of its four million members to speak and have their voices heard on behalf of gun owners nationwide.
The NRA's opposition to restrictions on political speech includes its May 26, 2010 letter to Members of Congress expressing strong concerns about H.R. 5175, the DISCLOSE Act. As it stood at the time of that letter, the measure would have undermined or obliterated virtually all of the NRA's right to free political speech and, therefore, jeopardized the Second Amendment rights of every law-abiding American.
The most potent defense of the Second Amendment requires the most adamant exercise of the First Amendment. The NRA stands absolutely obligated to its members to ensure maximum access to the First Amendment, in order to protect and preserve the freedom of the Second Amendment.
The NRA must preserve its ability to speak. It cannot risk a strategy that would deny its rights, for the Second Amendment cannot be defended without them.
Thus, the NRA's first obligation must be to its members and to its most ardent defense of firearms freedom for America's lawful gun owners.
On June 14, 2010, Democratic leadership in the U.S. House of Representatives pledged that H.R. 5175 would be amended to exempt groups like the NRA, that meet certain criteria, from its onerous restrictions on political speech. As a result, and as long as that remains the case, the NRA will not be involved in final consideration of the House bill.
The NRA cannot defend the Second Amendment from the attacks we face in the local, state, federal, international and judicial arenas without the ability to speak. We will not allow ourselves to be silenced while the national news media, politicians and others are allowed to attack us freely.
The NRA will continue to fight for its right to speak out in defense of the Second Amendment. Any efforts to silence the political speech of NRA members will, as has been the case in the past, be met with strong opposition.

Re: NRA Makes Deal With The Devil

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:56 am
by Col Hogan
GSUhooligan wrote:Here is the NRA's message to its members:
Statement From The National Rifle
Association On H.R. 5175, The Disclose Act

The National Rifle Association believes that any restrictions on the political speech of Americans are unconstitutional.
In the past, through the courts and in Congress, the NRA has opposed any effort to restrict the rights of its four million members to speak and have their voices heard on behalf of gun owners nationwide.
The NRA's opposition to restrictions on political speech includes its May 26, 2010 letter to Members of Congress expressing strong concerns about H.R. 5175, the DISCLOSE Act. As it stood at the time of that letter, the measure would have undermined or obliterated virtually all of the NRA's right to free political speech and, therefore, jeopardized the Second Amendment rights of every law-abiding American.
The most potent defense of the Second Amendment requires the most adamant exercise of the First Amendment. The NRA stands absolutely obligated to its members to ensure maximum access to the First Amendment, in order to protect and preserve the freedom of the Second Amendment.
The NRA must preserve its ability to speak. It cannot risk a strategy that would deny its rights, for the Second Amendment cannot be defended without them.
Thus, the NRA's first obligation must be to its members and to its most ardent defense of firearms freedom for America's lawful gun owners.
On June 14, 2010, Democratic leadership in the U.S. House of Representatives pledged that H.R. 5175 would be amended to exempt groups like the NRA, that meet certain criteria, from its onerous restrictions on political speech. As a result, and as long as that remains the case, the NRA will not be involved in final consideration of the House bill.
The NRA cannot defend the Second Amendment from the attacks we face in the local, state, federal, international and judicial arenas without the ability to speak. We will not allow ourselves to be silenced while the national news media, politicians and others are allowed to attack us freely.
The NRA will continue to fight for its right to speak out in defense of the Second Amendment. Any efforts to silence the political speech of NRA members will, as has been the case in the past, be met with strong opposition.
To sum it up in one sentence:

As long as we get our own special treatment, we'll let you throw everyone else under the bus. :ohno:

Re: NRA Makes Deal With The Devil

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:12 am
by mainejeff
GSUhooligan wrote:
93henfan wrote:
Let me make sure I have all your name-calling tallied from your various posts:

1. I'm a white, crazy redneck because I own a gun.
2. I'm a racist black because I voted for Obama.

You'll see in another thread where I admit I shop at Wal-Mart, so I guess I'm a penny-pinching Jew too?
No, if you shop at Wal-Mart you're still either a crazy redneck or a racist black... Or a mexican with a house full of 20 other mexicans to feed.
Or a white fiscally conservative, socially moderate Northeastern lib living in socially conservative San Diego trying to save a few bucks on Chinese imports. :thumb:

:coffee:

Re: NRA Makes Deal With The Devil

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:21 am
by Col Hogan
mainejeff wrote:
GSUhooligan wrote:
No, if you shop at Wal-Mart you're still either a crazy redneck or a racist black... Or a mexican with a house full of 20 other mexicans to feed.
Or a white fiscally conservative, socially moderate Northeastern lib living in socially conservative San Diego trying to save a few bucks on Chinese imports. :thumb:

:coffee:
Only thing I buy at Walmart on a regular basis is ammo...best prices around, and its all made in the USA... :thumb:

Re: NRA Makes Deal With The Devil

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:33 am
by travelinman67
mainejeff wrote:...Or a white fiscally conservative, socially surrealistically leftist Northeastern lib living in socially conservative San Diego trying to save a few bucks buying my Homeland products. :thumb:

:coffee:
FIFY

:coffee:

Re: NRA Makes Deal With The Devil

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:38 am
by Chizzang
Col Hogan wrote:
Only thing I buy at Walmart on a regular basis is ammo...best prices around, and its all made in the USA... :thumb:
ATTENTION:
The ammo you're buying is virtually the ONLY THING made int eh US at Wal-Mart

(remember over 98% Chinese crap sit in there and that's a documented fact)

Re: NRA Makes Deal With The Devil

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:40 am
by blueballs
93henfan wrote:
ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:

Great, another bunch of white, crazy rednecks with guns............... :roll:
Let me make sure I have all your name-calling tallied from your various posts:

1. I'm a white, crazy redneck because I own a gun.
2. I'm a racist black because I voted for Obama.

You'll see in another thread where I admit I shop at Wal-Mart, so I guess I'm a penny-pinching Jew too?
Probably an unwed mother... :thumb:

Re: NRA Makes Deal With The Devil

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:54 am
by AZGrizFan
mainejeff wrote:
GSUhooligan wrote:
No, if you shop at Wal-Mart you're still either a crazy redneck or a racist black... Or a mexican with a house full of 20 other mexicans to feed.
Or a white fiscally conservative, socially moderate Northeastern lib living in socially conservative San Diego trying to save a few bucks on Chinese imports. :thumb:

:coffee:
I've heard San Diego called lots of things, but that ain't one of 'em. :rofl: :rofl:

Re: NRA Makes Deal With The Devil

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:01 am
by native
mainejeff wrote:
GSUhooligan wrote:
No, if you shop at Wal-Mart you're still either a crazy redneck or a racist black... Or a mexican with a house full of 20 other mexicans to feed.
Or a white fiscally conservative, socially moderate Northeastern lib living in socially conservative San Diego trying to save a few bucks on Chinese imports. :thumb:

:coffee:
"Socially conserevative San Diego?!?!???" :roll:

LT and the Rock Church notwithstanding, all three of the most powerful conservative politicians in San Diego - mayor Jerry Sanders, DA Bonnie Dumanis, and City Councilman Carl Demaio - are socially liberal.