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TheDancinMonarch wrote:What the young people today don't realize is that they will be paying the cost of this until they are old. Then they will be allowed to die. Quite a cynical plan by our nations leadership.

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Failure of our dem controlled public education system.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

Grizaholic17 wrote:... after a bout with cystic fibrosis ...

GannonFan wrote:How could anyone love or hate it right now? No one knows anything about it yet, even those who wrote the bill. Any real judgment on the reform will need to be done a few years out when this actually starts to come into play - most of the bill doesn't even start to happen until 3-5 years out from now.

ASUG8 wrote:

GannonFan wrote:How could anyone love or hate it right now? No one knows anything about it yet, even those who wrote the bill. Any real judgment on the reform will need to be done a few years out when this actually starts to come into play - most of the bill doesn't even start to happen until 3-5 years out from now.

True, but we know how much we're paying for this unknown commodity. It's like committing to buy a car online sight unseen - maybe it will be nice, maybe a lemon, but likely somewhere in between.

CID1990 wrote:
When I go camping, I always tell my children like my father told me and his father told him...."Leave the campsite looking like nobody was there... leave it clean for the next people who come along." We don't do that anymore.

bobbythekidd wrote: The results would mean more if we had the raw numbers of respondents for each age group. I bet that is going to be telling.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

bobbythekidd wrote: The results would mean more if we had the raw numbers of respondents for each age group. I bet that is going to be telling.

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Jon Chait cites the latest Gallup data and summarizes over at TNR that "[o]ldsters hate [the March, 2010 health care law], everybody else loves it." Ezra Klein agrees.

We'll set aside the debatable categorization of 30-64 year olds as "loving it" based upon their narrow support for the law (or even liking it; their support for the bill is almost certainly within the error margin for the subsamples). The bigger problem here is the sole reliance upon Gallup. Gallup is a fine pollster, but the question wording they've chosen on this issue has typically resulted in pretty good results for ObamaCare.

If you look at the pollsters in the RCP Average who have polled since Congress passed the health care bill in March, Gallup gives the most favorable results for the bill. It's not really close; the average results by pollster are as follows:

Gallup: Favorable +1
AP/GfK: -4
WaPo: -4
Resurgent Republic (R): -5
PPP (D): -6
Democracy Corps (D): -7
GWU/Battleground: -8
CBS News: -9.7
Quinnipiac: -11.3
CNN/Op Rsrch: -13
Fox News: -15
Rasmussen: -18.42

You get the same result if you look over the course of the entire year (here I'm just using pollsters who polled at least twice, to save room):

Gallup: -2.375
AP/GfK: -2.5
ABC/WaPo: -5
PPP (D): -9
Democracy Corps (D): -9.5
CBS News: -10
Ipsos/McClatchy: -10
Pew: -10.3
NBC News/WSJ: -13.3
Quinnipiac: -15.16667
Fox News: -15.66667
Rasmussen: -16.45
CNN/Op Rsrch: -17.5

To put it differently, of the 78 polls conducted this year, four have shown net favorable results for the PPACA. Gallup conducted three of them.

Now, this is not to hurl an accusation of intentional bias at Gallup -- at all. Every different question wording actually gives us insight into a different aspect of a law and how it is perceived by the public (or, in the case of Rasmussen, the likely electorate). But you nevertheless always have to bear in mind that Gallup's question choice tends to produce something akin to the best-case scenario for the health care bill, and by a fairly substantial amount. Likewise, I'm not suggesting that we should rely only upon Rasmussen's results (which are in part moved against ObamaCare by their reliance on LVs).

But let's say that we instead normalized the Gallup results to the RCP Average, which presently has the health care plan at -6.8 on average. That would be a net shift of ten points against the President's plan. Under this scenario, the young would narrowly favor the plan 52-45%, while everyone else would be opposed by varying margins.

At the very least, we should at least bear in mind that, on the same day that Gallup released a poll showing that adults favor the bill by a 3-point margin, they released a second poll showing that adults favor repeal of the bill by a 5-point margin. So an awful lot of people who supposedly love the bill would also like to see it repealed!

Skjellyfetti wrote:The only age group that didn't approve in June 2010 was the 65+ age group.

(The group that qualifies for our single payer health care system.)

ASUG8 wrote: The 18-26 year olds were planning to still be living at home in mom and dad's basement with them footing the bill for their healthcare. Why wouldn't they approve?

Skjellyfetti wrote:

ASUG8 wrote: The 18-26 year olds were planning to still be living at home in mom and dad's basement with them footing the bill for their healthcare. Why wouldn't they approve?

And, the 30-49 year olds?

And, the 50-64 year olds?

ASUG8 wrote:

Skjellyfetti wrote:The only age group that didn't approve in June 2010 was the 65+ age group.

(The group that qualifies for our single payer health care system.)

The 18-26 year olds were planning to still be living at home in mom and dad's basement with them footing the bill for their healthcare. Why wouldn't they approve?