The verdict in the case of the BART officer who shot an unarmed man in the back in Oakland is due to be read at 7pm ET. The officer's defense is that he reached for his stun gun and instead accidentally grabbed his pistol and busted a cap in the man's back. A not-guilty verdict could make for an ugly scene. I just don't see how he could possibly be not guilty of something.
93henfan wrote:The verdict in the case of the BART officer who shot an unarmed man in the back in Oakland is due to be read at 7pm ET. The officer's defense is that he reached for his stun gun and instead accidentally grabbed his pistol and busted a cap in the man's back. A not-guilty verdict could make for an ugly scene. I just don't see how he could possibly be not guilty of something.
If you can't tell the difference between your Glock and your Taser grip then you need to be a tour guide or something instead.
Taser grip is purposely short for just that reason.
That's why I'm surprised that the jury bought his story.
Re: Potential Riot Alert - Oakland
Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 11:25 pm
by CID1990
houndawg wrote:
CID1990 wrote:Wat a fvcking idiot.
If you can't tell the difference between your Glock and your Taser grip then you need to be a tour guide or something instead.
Taser grip is purposely short for just that reason.
That's why I'm surprised that the jury bought his story.
Nah. I don't think he did it on purpose. It is pretty obvious from the video that he was as surprised and crapping hs pants just like the other guys. I just think he was a fvcking retard. I think involuntary was an appropriate verdict. If being and asshat retard was criminal, then that woud have been an appropriate verdict, as well.
That's probably why he was working for BART and not SFPD.
Re: Potential Riot Alert - Oakland
Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 11:27 pm
by CID1990
Col Hogan wrote:
CID1990 wrote:Wat a fvcking idiot.
If you can't tell the difference between your Glock and your Taser grip then you need to be a tour guide or something instead.
Taser grip is purposely short for just that reason.
I found this on another site...for reference...
The duty weapon is a Glock, the taser is the most standard used...
Yep. The pistol grip on the Taser has been one of the most haggled-over parts of the device. Taser wanted to make damn sure that it could never be mistaken for a service weapon.
Unless you are some kind of an idiot, then maybe....
That being said, Taser will be sued for this and the verdict will help the plaintiff...
Re: Potential Riot Alert - Oakland
Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 6:09 am
by 93henfan
My Glock 27 has a 2-finger grip. I bought it the first year or two (~'95) before they issued them with a magazine with a built-in third finger slot. Of course, I doubt anyone is carrying a G-27 as a service weapon. Plus, the taser has so much bulk at the front that it should have a very distinct feel when unholstering.
Re: Potential Riot Alert - Oakland
Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 6:57 am
by catamount man
we keep doing an injustice to the black race when we deem them as "rioting savages" guys. of course, black leadership needs to step up and quell the feelings of angst as well instead of fanning the flames. just my 2.
Re: Potential Riot Alert - Oakland
Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 2:13 pm
by BDKJMU
CID1990 wrote:
Col Hogan wrote:
I found this on another site...for reference...
The duty weapon is a Glock, the taser is the most standard used...
Yep. The pistol grip on the Taser has been one of the most haggled-over parts of the device. Taser wanted to make damn sure that it could never be mistaken for a service weapon.
Unless you are some kind of an idiot, then maybe....
That being said, Taser will be sued for this and the verdict will help the plaintiff...
Having never carried a taser, wouldn't it be common for the taser to be either:
-attached to your web gear weak side for a strong arm cross draw or
-attached to your web gear weak side for a weak arm straight draw, which would logically seem even better, leaving your strong hand free to immediately go to guns should the situation warrant without having to 1st reholster the taser?
Seems to me that if the taser was worn on the opposite side a your service weapon, that would make it nearly impossible to mistakenly draw the wrong one, much less draw the wrong one and not realize it until after pulling the trigger.
I bet the Bart officer was carrying the taser strong side....
Re: Potential Riot Alert - Oakland
Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 4:03 pm
by SuperHornet
Per CBS-13 last night, the riot was more of an invasion than anything else. Of the 90-some-odd arrested, less than 20 were actually from Oakland. Some were from the surrounding Bay Area, but many were from other parts of the state. A dozen were imported from outside of Cali.
Grant's family asked for a peaceful demonstration at worst. They might have gotten it, too, if it weren't for outside troublemakers....
Re: Potential Riot Alert - Oakland
Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 6:32 pm
by CID1990
BDKJMU wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Yep. The pistol grip on the Taser has been one of the most haggled-over parts of the device. Taser wanted to make damn sure that it could never be mistaken for a service weapon.
Unless you are some kind of an idiot, then maybe....
That being said, Taser will be sued for this and the verdict will help the plaintiff...
Having never carried a taser, wouldn't it be common for the taser to be either:
-attached to your web gear weak side for a strong arm cross draw or
-attached to your web gear weak side for a weak arm straight draw, which would logically seem even better, leaving your strong hand free to immediately go to guns should the situation warrant without having to 1st reholster the taser?
Seems to me that if the taser was worn on the opposite side a your service weapon, that would make it nearly impossible to mistakenly draw the wrong one, much less draw the wrong one and not realize it until after pulling the trigger.
I bet the Bart officer was carrying the taser strong side....
Generally it is carried either weak side OR weak side of the buckle in front. Most departments have this as policy. Usually as in my case, I would do a weak side draw and then switch hands. Taser is a non-lethal, so if you are going to use it, that means you are in a situation where you do not necessarily need to come out blazing as quickly as possible, so having to switch hands is not so much of an issue as it would be with a service weapon. Plus, the Taser is a contact device as well as a standoff one, so if you are close enough to the target it doesnt really matter which hand you have it in.
One possibility is that this guy was carrying it in the front buckle; strong side and his belt got turned in the struggle. That happened to me a couple times, but an extra belt keeper or two will fix that.
The bottom line is that there should never be mistaking the service weapon grip for a Taser grip. Ever. Not even in the heat of a struggle, and let's face it, that was not a knockdown dragout fight the guy was in. I really just think he was poorly trained and did not have enough reps on one of the weapons, if not both. The two grips are just too different, and quite frankly, the Taser grip is not very comfortable because of its length. Anyone who has trained enough on his service weapon will know as soon as he touches the grip of the Taser that he has got his hands on the Taser.
