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You can't "blame the Army" for this
The mounting stress on an Army facing renewed deployments and combat in Afghanistan is also a factor, Rudd said. "That's not a challenge they (Army leaders) control. It's a challenge that the president and Congress controls," he said.



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Not trying to take anything away from this problem, as it is definitely something that urgently needs addressed by those in command....

but I have to wonder if the "record number" might partially be due to such things not being kept track of as closely in the past. War can have a terrible effect on the psyche of those involved in it, and I have to believe that soldiers in the past had these same struggles that those of today are facing. (though perhaps not as much continual redeployment and the like and forced "stop loss" reenlistments)

It ain't because of the fighting, neither. Each of 'em is staring down the barrel of a pregnant 400 lb, four-pack-a-day, '99 Dodge Neon drivin', greasy-haired-showers-once-a-week spouse and four dirty children, two of whom are likely not his, when he gets back. House is in foreclosure, there's no air conditioning, fat wife is banging a "pack" of black guys, the kids have rickets and Reyes, lawn ain''t been mowed since he returned to Afghanistan last September, cat shit is piled four feet high in the litter box, he's stationed in fvcking Bugtussle, Georgia, an', to top it all off, there's a black president.

I'd shoot myself, too.

Cap'n Cat wrote:It ain't because of the fighting, neither. Each of 'em is staring down the barrel of a pregnant 400 lb, four-pack-a-day, '99 Dodge Neon drivin', greasy-haired-showers-once-a-week spouse and four dirty children, two of whom are likely not his, when he gets back. House is in foreclosure, there's no air conditioning, fat wife is banging a "pack" of black guys, the kids have rickets and Reyes, lawn ain''t been mowed since he returned to Afghanistan last September, cat shit is piled four feet high in the litter box, he's stationed in fvcking Bugtussle, Georgia, an', to top it all off, there's a black president.

I'd shoot myself, too.

Why are you hatin on Bugtussle? It's a quiet town with charming residents.

Cap'n Cat wrote:It ain't because of the fighting, neither. Each of 'em is staring down the barrel of a pregnant 400 lb, four-pack-a-day, '99 Dodge Neon drivin', greasy-haired-showers-once-a-week spouse and four dirty children, two of whom are likely not his, when he gets back. House is in foreclosure, there's no air conditioning, fat wife is banging a "pack" of black guys, the kids have rickets and Reyes, lawn ain''t been mowed since he returned to Afghanistan last September, cat shit is piled four feet high in the litter box, he's stationed in fvcking Bugtussle, Georgia, an', to top it all off, there's a black president.

I'd shoot myself, too.

POST OF THE YEAR candidate..!!!!




This wasn't quite what I was looking for...

Chizzang wrote:

Cap'n Cat wrote:It ain't because of the fighting, neither. Each of 'em is staring down the barrel of a pregnant 400 lb, four-pack-a-day, '99 Dodge Neon drivin', greasy-haired-showers-once-a-week spouse and four dirty children, two of whom are likely not his, when he gets back. House is in foreclosure, there's no air conditioning, fat wife is banging a "pack" of black guys, the kids have rickets and Reyes, lawn ain''t been mowed since he returned to Afghanistan last September, cat **** is piled four feet high in the litter box, he's stationed in fvcking Bugtussle, Georgia, an', to top it all off, there's a black president.

I'd shoot myself, too.

POST OF THE YEAR candidate..!!!!...

Your true colors exposed. I expect it from the chaos brothers, but not from you, Cleets. Fvck you very much.

Our military personnel do indeed face many unnecessary problems and stresses. The color of the President is not one of them.

Unnecessary problems include a Commander in Chief who expends so much energy coddling the enemy and is afraid of naming the enemy. Another problem is a set of rules of engagement that favors the lives of enemy combatants over the lives of soldiers.

native wrote:

Chizzang wrote:

POST OF THE YEAR candidate..!!!!...

Your true colors exposed. I expect it from the chaos brothers, but not from you, Cleets. Fvck you very much.

Our military personnel do indeed face many unnecessary problems and stresses. The color of the President is not one of them.

Unnecessary problems include a Commander in Chief who expends so much energy coddling the enemy and is afraid of naming the enemy. Another problem is a set of rules of engagement that favors the lives of enemy combatants over the lives of soldiers.

I was posting this thread as a serious concern...
Cap'n Cat posted a funny zinger - this happens sometimes
His post is funny because it contains some elements of truth

Don't take yourself so seriously
Because nobody else around here seems to take you as seriously as you take yourself... (use that as a clue)
Take a deep breath - exhale - repeat

Chizzang wrote:

native wrote:
Your true colors exposed. I expect it from the chaos brothers, but not from you, Cleets. Fvck you very much.

Our military personnel do indeed face many unnecessary problems and stresses. The color of the President is not one of them.

Unnecessary problems include a Commander in Chief who expends so much energy coddling the enemy and is afraid of naming the enemy. Another problem is a set of rules of engagement that favors the lives of enemy combatants over the lives of soldiers.

I was posting this thread as a serious concern...
Cap'n Cat posted a funny zinger - this happens sometimes
His post is funny because it contains some elements of truth

Don't take yourself so seriously
Because nobody else around here seems to take you as seriously as you take yourself... (use that as a clue)
Take a deep breath - exhale - repeat

Bravo for posting this thread as a serious concern. I responded with a serious post about Color, strategy and ROE, and I await your serious response.

Cap, as usual, went too far, even for you. Your celebration of cap's post was a grevious error. Admit it and move on. No kisses for you until you do so.

native wrote:

Chizzang wrote:

I was posting this thread as a serious concern...
Cap'n Cat posted a funny zinger - this happens sometimes
His post is funny because it contains some elements of truth

Don't take yourself so seriously
Because nobody else around here seems to take you as seriously as you take yourself... (use that as a clue)
Take a deep breath - exhale - repeat

Bravo for posting this thread as a serious concern. I responded with a serious post about Color, strategy and ROE, and I await your serious response.

Cap, as usual, went too far, even for you. Your celebration of cap's post was a grevious error. Admit it and move on. No kisses for you until you do so.

Cap'n made a funny - but you have almost no sense of humor... admit it and move on

Oh and your "serious reply" I thought was pretty funny too...

A commander and chief who coddles the enemy - please show one valid example of that
The enemy is apparently just about everybody in Iraq - what shall we call them..?
Rules of engagement that favor the enemy - (You listen to too much FOX radio) I just watched a video (and you did too) where chopper pilots kill the enemy and the camera crew and later a dodge minivan with unidentified pedestrians and a small girl...

But apparently that isn't engaged enough for you..?

native - you're the funny - you just haven't noticed yet

native: Glenn Beck-fellatin' ass, flag-wrapped, psycho baby-killin' "Mission Accomplished", Reaganite, "white is right", jarhead fuck.

Cap'n Cat wrote:native: Glenn Beck-fellatin' ass, flag-wrapped, psycho baby-killin' "Mission Accomplished", Reaganite, "white is right", jarhead fuck.

I would kill myself if Obama was in charge of my eminent demise in a foreign war he doesnt want us to win.

Its Obamas fault for being a fraud.

How many of these soldiers actually get adequate mental health counseling when they get back from war? This goes past a debreifing and the one time thing they get form the military. I'm talking full sessions for a couple months.

How many have adequate social support when they get home?


Those two things can, and do, go further than anyone could imagine

Chizzang wrote:

Cap'n Cat wrote:native: Glenn Beck-fellatin' ass, flag-wrapped, psycho baby-killin' "Mission Accomplished", Reaganite, "white is right", jarhead ****.

Your love of the chaos brothers' foolishness does not become your otherwise bright and intelligently provocative reputation.

In other instances, cleets, the intelligence of your quirky provocations is what makes them tolerable.

clenz wrote:How many of these soldiers actually get adequate mental health counseling when they get back from war? This goes past a debreifing and the one time thing they get form the military. I'm talking full sessions for a couple months.

How many have adequate social support when they get home?


Those two things can, and do, go further than anyone could imagine

It might be....it could be....IT IS, A HOME RUN!!!!!!

Here is your homerun ball sir, could I get a popcorn for running it down for you?

native wrote:

Chizzang wrote:

You love of the chaos brothers' foolishness does not become your otherwise bright and intelligently provocative reputation.

In other instances, cleets, the intelligence of your quirky provocations is what makes them tolerable.

Die, you LDS fvck.

native wrote:

Chizzang wrote:

POST OF THE YEAR candidate..!!!!...

Your true colors exposed. I expect it from the chaos brothers, but not from you, Cleets. Fvck you very much.

Our military personnel do indeed face many unnecessary problems and stresses. The color of the President is not one of them.

Unnecessary problems include a Commander in Chief who expends so much energy coddling the enemy and is afraid of naming the enemy. Another problem is a set of rules of engagement that favors the lives of enemy combatants over the lives of soldiers.

For a guy that never tires of telling us what a hero he is, you sure do whine and snivel a lot about the poor troops.

The troops are tools, nasal, tools of foreign policy. You use a tool until it breaks and then you get a new one. When the tool has served it's purpose it can be discarded or stored for later use. Now buck up and stop whimpering fer cryin' out loud....

houndawg wrote:

For a guy that never tires of telling us what a hero he is, you sure do whine and snivel a lot about the poor troops.

The troops are tools, nasal, tools of foreign policy. You use a tool until it breaks and then you get a new one. When the tool has served it's purpose it can be discarded or stored for later use. Now buck up and stop whimpering, fer cryin' out loud....

...like almost every other Conk on this board.

GObama!!!!!!

Chizzang wrote: ...Cap'n made a funny - but you have almost no sense of humor... admit it and move on
...

You are correct. There are a few things about which I have little or no sense of humor. Cap's post is one of them, not because of what he said, the sarcasm of which might have been humorous in another context. My lack of humor is because the context is military suicides.

So, I say again, on this thread, fvck you very much.

Wedgebuster wrote:

clenz wrote:How many of these soldiers actually get adequate mental health counseling when they get back from war? This goes past a debreifing and the one time thing they get form the military. I'm talking full sessions for a couple months.

How many have adequate social support when they get home?


Those two things can, and do, go further than anyone could imagine

It might be....it could be....IT IS, A HOME RUN!!!!!!

Here is your homerun ball sir, could I get a popcorn for running it down for you?

Not sure if that was sarcasm or not, but I'm dead serious. There is also a ton of research stating the same thing.

clenz wrote:

Wedgebuster wrote:
It might be....it could be....IT IS, A HOME RUN!!!!!!

Here is your homerun ball sir, could I get a popcorn for running it down for you?

Not sure if that was sarcasm or not, but I'm dead serious. There is also a ton of research stating the same thing.

Your analysis is appreciated, Clenz.

I forgot, I used facts on the poli board. That isn't allowed unless they are terribly scewed one way or another, and I didn't include at least 7 person attacks.

clenz wrote:I forgot, I used facts on the poli board. That isn't allowed unless they are terribly scewed one way or another, and I didn't include at least 7 person attacks.

Cap'n Cat wrote:...Die, you LDS fvck.

Not at your behest, but I will indeed die someday.

I admire the LDS, but am not one of them.

NG33 wrote:

clenz wrote:I forgot, I used facts on the poli board. That isn't allowed unless they are terribly scewed one way or another, and I didn't include at least 7 person attacks.