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A national organization that promotes freedom from religion and separation of church and state is hoping to get Phoenix commuters talking with five controversial billboard ads that will go up this week.

The Freedom From Religion Foundation, based in Madison, Wis., paid advertising company CBS Outdoor to put up five signs that read "Imagine No Religion."

The message on the billboards will start to go up Monday and will remain there for a month, said Annie Laurie Gaylor, co-president of the Freedom From Religion Foundation.

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dbackjon wrote:A national organization that promotes freedom from religion and separation of church and state is hoping to get Phoenix commuters talking with five controversial billboard ads that will go up this week.

The Freedom From Religion Foundation, based in Madison, Wis., paid advertising company CBS Outdoor to put up five signs that read "Imagine No Religion."

The message on the billboards will start to go up Monday and will remain there for a month, said Annie Laurie Gaylor, co-president of the Freedom From Religion Foundation.

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Great organization. God bless them and their brave work. They do more for christianity than most churches. You do not need a church, a pastor, a priest, a pope, a bible or much of anything for that matter to be a good christian. Think about it.

Did they have the stained glass, creepy billboard like they had in Madison and Minneapolis recently?

D1B wrote:

dbackjon wrote:A national organization that promotes freedom from religion and separation of church and state is hoping to get Phoenix commuters talking with five controversial billboard ads that will go up this week.

The Freedom From Religion Foundation, based in Madison, Wis., paid advertising company CBS Outdoor to put up five signs that read "Imagine No Religion."

The message on the billboards will start to go up Monday and will remain there for a month, said Annie Laurie Gaylor, co-president of the Freedom From Religion Foundation.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/ ... l#comments

Great organization. God bless them and their brave work. They do more for christianity than most churches. You do not need a church, a pastor, a priest, a pope, a bible or much of anything for that matter to be a good christian. Think about it.

Did they have the stained glass, creepy billboard like they had in Madison and Minneapolis recently?

Everybody needs a crutch, D. Some people need God. You need dope. Different crutch, same result.

AZGrizFan wrote:

D1B wrote: Great organization. God bless them and their brave work. They do more for christianity than most churches. You do not need a church, a pastor, a priest, a pope, a bible or much of anything for that matter to be a good christian. Think about it.

Did they have the stained glass, creepy billboard like they had in Madison and Minneapolis recently?

Everybody needs a crutch, D. Some people need God. You need dope. Different crutch, same result.

....and one is a prerequisite for election to higher office while the other is a death knell.....same need, different result.....

AZGrizFan wrote:

D1B wrote: Great organization. God bless them and their brave work. They do more for christianity than most churches. You do not need a church, a pastor, a priest, a pope, a bible or much of anything for that matter to be a good christian. Think about it.

Did they have the stained glass, creepy billboard like they had in Madison and Minneapolis recently?

Everybody needs a crutch, D. Some people need God. You need dope. Different crutch, same result.

Dope costs less.

D1B wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote: Everybody needs a crutch, D. Some people need God. You need dope. Different crutch, same result.

Dope costs less.

My religion's free....

AZGrizFan wrote:

D1B wrote: Dope costs less.

My religion's free....

Necrophelia is not a religion.

D1B wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote: My religion's free....

Necrophelia is not a religion.

....lest ye judge...

Who needs to imagine no religion?

It's called Stalin, Pol Pot, etc.

JoltinJoe wrote:Who needs to imagine no religion?

It's called Stalin, Pol Pot, etc.

Working late tonight, thanks for a hearty laugh. First one in a while.

JoltinJoe wrote:Who needs to imagine religion?

It's called The Crusades, The Inquisition, The Molestation, etc.

Corrected for Accuracy

Appaholic wrote:

JoltinJoe wrote:Who needs to imagine religion?

It's called The Crusades, The Inquisition, The Molestation, etc.

Corrected for Accuracy

The irony is...you're BOTH right.

AZGrizFan wrote:

Appaholic wrote: Corrected for Accuracy

The irony is...you're BOTH right.

But I'm more right.

JoltinJoe wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote: The irony is...you're BOTH right.

But I'm more right.

In more ways than one, Joe...in more ways than one...

AZGrizFan wrote:

JoltinJoe wrote: But I'm more right.

In more ways than one, Joe...in more ways than one...

doubtful...Joe's a democrat, I'm a Limbaugh-fearing conservative.......

Appaholic wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote: In more ways than one, Joe...in more ways than one...

doubtful...Joe's a democrat, I'm a Limbaugh-fearing conservative.......

Well, then YOU are more right.

The victims of Stalin and gang died because of flawed economic programs and brutal repression. Had nothing to do with atheism. The people the catholic and christian churches murdered and continues to murder were killed because they were jewish, muslim, not white or did not adhere to church dogma.

They were killed in the name of god. Big difference, dumbasses.

"I kill you in the name of atheism!"

Communism is a religion very similar to christianity, just substitute "the State" for "god" and they're identical.

Stalin and Hitler were christian and catholic and both had aspirations of becoming priests. They learned how to kill and control people during their time in the church as catholic dogma is a bleak, anti-human travesty that demands obediance. Their black & white view of everything was shaped by the church and exteded into their polital and world outlook. While the catholic church doesn't murder people in plain sight anymore, their attitudes on birth control and irresponsible procreation is going to kill everyone if they're not stopped.

I stand before you, I DIB a savior of man.

As long as Religions stay out of Politics (which will never happen) I'm fine with them all... As Krebs says...

The World is divided into armed camps ready to commit genocide just because we can't agree on whose fairy tales to believe.
In the end, Religion will kill us all.
-- Ed Krebs
or this McCain Quote: "I would probably have to say yes, that the Constitution established the United States of America as a Christian nation."
-- John McCain

And my FAVORITE..!!!! Because it's SPOT ON True...

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross."
- Sinclair Lewis

Cleets Part 2 wrote: "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross."
- Sinclair Lewis

Morning, Hippy...

As long as you're noting shameful Christianity/Christians, I'd like add a few 'suspects', quoted here (from this weeks Democratic Convention)...

"God Bless America."
- Michelle Obama
"God Bless America."
- Hillary Clinton
"God Bless America."
- Melissa Ethridge
"God Bless America."
- Senator Joseph Biden
"God bless the United States of America.
- Governor Mark Warner


Listening to this weeks speeches at the Dem. Convention has been very disturbing. I'm very concerned the Democrats are mixing religion and politics, involving the Christian right in their message. How am I, the voter, to know that when I vote for Obama, he's not going to put a bunch of his whacko extremist Bible-thumper buddies and policies in place, preventing my right to worship myself. Who's to say these closeted Bible thumpers aren't just telling me what I want to hear, i.e., protection of abortion rights, ending America's global-bully militarism, government guaranteed medical coverage for every American, ending the violence in our cities by taking the guns out of the hands of criminals, ending the domestic violence in our homes PERMANENTLY by requiring all heterosexual males to annually attend anger management classes and surgically implanting, spousal controlled electric shock "collars" in all males who refuse to attend....? What recourse will I have if the Democrats go back on their word, and begin passing rules and laws which place America's and American's interests first? Or stop telling people how to live their lives?

What am I to do then?

Vote for Nader?

JoltinJoe wrote:Who needs to imagine no religion?

It's called Stalin, Pol Pot, etc.

And, in that case, Reagan.

travelinman67 wrote:

Cleets Part 2 wrote: "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross."
- Sinclair Lewis

Morning, Hippy...

As long as you're noting shameful Christianity/Christians, I'd like add a few 'suspects', quoted here (from this weeks Democratic Convention)...

"God Bless America."
- Michelle Obama
"God Bless America."
- Hillary Clinton
"God Bless America."
- Melissa Ethridge
"God Bless America."
- Senator Joseph Biden
"God bless the United States of America.
- Governor Mark Warner


Listening to this weeks speeches at the Dem. Convention has been very disturbing. I'm very concerned the Democrats are mixing religion and politics, involving the Christian right in their message. How am I, the voter, to know that when I vote for Obama, he's not going to put a bunch of his whacko extremist Bible-thumper buddies and policies in place, preventing my right to worship myself. Who's to say these closeted Bible thumpers aren't just telling me what I want to hear, i.e., protection of abortion rights, ending America's global-bully militarism, government guaranteed medical coverage for every American, ending the violence in our cities by taking the guns out of the hands of criminals, ending the domestic violence in our homes PERMANENTLY by requiring all heterosexual males to annually attend anger management classes and surgically implanting, spousal controlled electric shock "collars" in all males who refuse to attend....? What recourse will I have if the Democrats go back on their word, and begin passing rules and laws which place America's and American's interests first? Or stop telling people how to live their lives?

What am I to do then?

Vote for Nader?

Oy.


ConkRushGurgiTwistReachExtrapoGeneraliZaggeration.


SMFH..............

For T-Man67 The solitary wanderer...

Soren Kierkegaard is your enigmatic twin...

Kierkegaard knew that he would always be the 'outsider' he broke of his engagement and any chance for a normal life... convinced that his fate was to be the 'exception', the lonely wanderer.

Kierkegaard thought that philosophers who claimed that philosophy in itself was a "solution" and could show us the ultimate nature of spirit were deluded

Hegel (The almighty pompous one) claimed to have overcome the paradox, but Kierkegaard was not convinced....

Existence, for Kierkegaard, was paradoxical. The individual must find his spiritual path, not through the comfortable dogmatic rituals of the established church or the pseudo-clarity of Hegelian dialectics, but through action in the form of "ones daily life" we are to discover day by day with open mind and open eyes what is the nature of our life this place and what is the truth of those two experiences...

Kierkegaard held that religious faith was central to an authentic existence - but not organized religion - a personal religion of ones own experience... the individual must create his own (no one elses religion will do)

His religious existentialism has continued to be influential.

Theologians have had to face the horrific absurdities of the 20th century... and explain it away... God is not absentee

and religious (or theistic) existentialism shows how the individual can, with faith be authentic in a brutal and uncertain world where outrageous crimes against nature and humanity are the rule.. not the exception....

(I had two beers and a glass of whiskey... sorry)

Cleets Part 2 wrote:For T-Man67 The solitary wanderer...

Soren Kierkegaard is your enigmatic twin...

Kierkegaard knew that he would always be the 'outsider' he broke of his engagement and any chance for a normal life... convinced that his fate was to be the 'exception', the lonely wanderer.

Kierkegaard thought that philosophers who claimed that philosophy in itself was a "solution" and could show us the ultimate nature of spirit were deluded

Hegel (The almighty pompous one) claimed to have overcome the paradox, but Kierkegaard was not convinced....

Existence, for Kierkegaard, was paradoxical. The individual must find his spiritual path, not through the comfortable dogmatic rituals of the established church or the pseudo-clarity of Hegelian dialectics, but through action in the form of "ones daily life" we are to discover day by day with open mind and open eyes what is the nature of our life this place and what is the truth of those two experiences...

Kierkegaard held that religious faith was central to an authentic existence - but not organized religion - a personal religion of ones own experience... the individual must create his own (no one elses religion will do)

His religious existentialism has continued to be influential.

Theologians have had to face the horrific absurdities of the 20th century... and explain it away... God is not absentee

and religious (or theistic) existentialism shows how the individual can, with faith be authentic in a brutal and uncertain world where outrageous crimes against nature and humanity are the rule.. not the exception....

(I had two beers and a glass of whiskey... sorry)

Don't get too crazy now.

It's easy if you try.

Somebody should go post "Imagine Anarchy" next to the "Imagine No Religion" signs.