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Police officer shoots, kills dog playing in dog park:

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:53 pm
by Skjellyfetti
Stunned dog owners and residents of a Severn neighborhood are shocked that authorities won't be charging a federal police officer who shot and killed a Siberian husky Monday night at a community dog park.

Bear-Bear, a brown and white husky that was about 3 years old, was playing in the Quail Run dog park at about 6:30 p.m., running off leash inside the fenced-in area, when the officer and his wife arrived with a German shepherd, who was kept on a leash. When the dogs began to play roughly, the federal officer asked Bear-Bear's guardian, his owner's brother, to call off the dog. But before he could do anything, the officer pulled out a gun and shot Bear-Bear, according to the husky's owner.

Bear-Bear, who belongs to Rachel Rettaliata, died of his injuries a few hours later. County police did not name the federal officer.

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"I've been bawling my eyes out since 7 p.m. last night," Rettaliata said. "It's grief mixed with anger. We're so angry this guy was able to take our animal for what we feel was no reason at all.

"We still don't believe that he's gone. We just want so badly to be diligent about this. [The officer] has to pay some sort of consequence for his foolishness."

A spokesman for the Anne Arundel County Police Department said no charges will be filed and investigators found no evidence of criminal activity.

Rettaliata adopted Bear-Bear about two years ago from a husky rescue. He'd been seized from a Delaware home where people had tied him up outside, largely leaving him to fend for himself in the elements.

Tiffany Greco, who fostered the young Bear-Bear and placed him with the Rettaliata family, said the husky had led a hard-knock life, starved and neglected, with mats in his long fur the size of softballs. But even though he was mistreated, she said he never became aggressive around people or dogs.

"He was a very lovey-dovey, happy-go-lucky guy," Greco said, adding that Bear-Bear at least had a taste of a good life with the Rettaliatas. "All this dog wanted to do was curl up on top of you."

She said that huskies have a rough way of playing that, to people who don't know them, can seem intimidating.

"They have a much different play style than other dogs," she said. "They're a rough-and-tumble breed. They're mouthy. Often people interpret that as being aggressive when it's really them just playing."

In the Quail Run community of townhomes, a number of residents have dogs that they walk to the community dog park. Neighbors say the park is generally an easygoing place where well-mannered dogs play with one another.

Bear-Bear was a regular there.

Tarnna Hernandez saw Bear-Bear all the time. She lives two doors down from the Rettaliatas and Bear-Bear plays with her children and Marshmallow, her year-and-a-half-old Dalmatian/Australian shepherd mix.

"I've never personally seen him be aggressive toward any dog or human or anything, for that matter," Hernandez said. "My two very young children love Bear-Bear and would attack him every time they saw him with hugs and love."

She can't believe Bear-Bear would ever do anything to deserve being shot.

"I have not seen that dog hurt anyone. Or snarl. He's never even barked," she said. "His only way was to get out a gun out and shoot him? Uh-uh. It's completely unbelievable."

Dorothy Pearce, the homeowner's association manager, was appalled that someone would fire a gun in the community dog park — at dinnertime.

"This is tragic," she said. "A community of homeowners with children playing around should not have gun-crazy, off-duty policemen shooting in their area, especially a dog in a controllable situation."

Rettaliata said that after the officer shot Bear-Bear, the dog didn't yelp or cry, just lay down in the grass, bleeding heavily. "He just went and laid down," she said. "I just can't get over it and I don't think it's being taken seriously because it was an animal involved."

Carolyn Kilborn, chairwoman of the organization Maryland Votes for Animals, based in nearby Annapolis, thought the authorities should be investigating the case thoroughly.

"The killing of the dog in Severn is a sad situation that should be investigated carefully to determine if the incident was caused by a dangerous dog or a dangerous person," she said.
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Re: Police officer shoots, kills dog playing in dog park:

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:23 pm
by danefan
Wow. That's sickening.

I understand if you don't like the way a dog is playing rough with your dog (that happens at dog parks all the time), but to pull your weapon so quickly over that situation (dog-on-dog) is a clear indication that this guy isn't fit to own a gun, let alone be in law enforcement.

Re: Police officer shoots, kills dog playing in dog park:

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:26 pm
by Gil Dobie
One less dog to crap on my yard or piss on my door. :thumb:

Re: Police officer shoots, kills dog playing in dog park:

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:38 pm
by Gil Dobie
Sounds like the dog turned on the officer...............

Link
SEVERN, Md. - Anne Arundel County Police are trying to figure out why an off-duty federal police officer shot and killed a husky inside a dog park.

It happened Monday around 6:30pm in Quail Run Community Dog Park. Police say a Husky named Bear was playing with a German Shepherd named Asia.

Asia's owner was the federal officer. According to the officer, Bear began to bite his dog. The off-duty police officer told police that he yelled to the man with Bear to get his dog. The officer says Bear tried to bite him, so fearing for his life, he shot the dog.

But the man with Asia and a witness we talked to tell a different story. They say Bear and Asia got rough and when they turned around the officer had shot Husky.

Bear was taken to the hospital and died.

Re: Police officer shoots, kills dog playing in dog park:

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:43 pm
by danefan
Gil Dobie wrote:Sounds like the dog turned on the officer...............

Link
SEVERN, Md. - Anne Arundel County Police are trying to figure out why an off-duty federal police officer shot and killed a husky inside a dog park.

It happened Monday around 6:30pm in Quail Run Community Dog Park. Police say a Husky named Bear was playing with a German Shepherd named Asia.

Asia's owner was the federal officer. According to the officer, Bear began to bite his dog. The off-duty police officer told police that he yelled to the man with Bear to get his dog. The officer says Bear tried to bite him, so fearing for his life, he shot the dog.

But the man with Asia and a witness we talked to tell a different story. They say Bear and Asia got rough and when they turned around the officer had shot Husky.

Bear was taken to the hospital and died.
Two totally different stories. If the dog turned on him its understandable (to a point).

3 stories -
1. the cop's story
2. the dog owner's story
3. the truth

Re: Police officer shoots, kills dog playing in dog park:

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:10 pm
by 89Hen
danefan wrote:3 stories -
1. the cop's story
2. the dog owner's story
3. the truth
Isn't that how it always is? People do love to jump to conclusions, especially when there's a cop involved.

Re: Police officer shoots, kills dog playing in dog park:

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:13 pm
by Ursus A. Horribilis
This is yet another reason I like to get more than just one side of a story before forming any opinion. Still can't tell what the actual truth is though as DF pointed out.

Re: Police officer shoots, kills dog playing in dog park:

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:20 pm
by Ursus A. Horribilis
89Hen wrote:
danefan wrote:3 stories -
1. the cop's story
2. the dog owner's story
3. the truth
Isn't that how it always is? People do love to jump to conclusions, especially when there's a cop involved.
I've yet to see one dog owner that didn't think there dog was perfectly innocent either.

I've kicked at least two dogs in the fucking head/ribs that the owner told me were completely docile and never bite anyone so don't worry about them...then they weren't complete docile and were willing to bite after all.

Fuck you, your dog gets a god damn Doc Martin treatment. I wasn't carrying a gun.

Re: Police officer shoots, kills dog playing in dog park:

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:26 pm
by 89Hen
Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:I've yet to see one dog owner that didn't think there dog was perfectly innocent either.

I've kicked at least two dogs in the fucking head/ribs that the owner told me were completely docile and never bite anyone so don't worry about them...then they weren't complete docile and were willing to bite after all.

Fuck you, your dog gets a god damn Doc Martin treatment. I wasn't carrying a gun.
"I thought you said your dog doesn't bite."

"That's not my dog."

Re: Police officer shoots, kills dog playing in dog park:

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:50 pm
by blueballs
There is no excuse for discharging a firearm in a public place unless human life was threatened. Period.

Re: Police officer shoots, kills dog playing in dog park:

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:11 pm
by AZGrizFan
blueballs wrote:There is no excuse for discharging a firearm in a public place unless human life was threatened. Period.
that was my first thought as well. He ought to lose his badge, if for no other reason than THAT horrible lapse in judgement.

Re: Police officer shoots, kills dog playing in dog park:

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:31 pm
by Ursus A. Horribilis
89Hen wrote:
Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:I've yet to see one dog owner that didn't think there dog was perfectly innocent either.

I've kicked at least two dogs in the fucking head/ribs that the owner told me were completely docile and never bite anyone so don't worry about them...then they weren't complete docile and were willing to bite after all.

Fuck you, your dog gets a god damn Doc Martin treatment. I wasn't carrying a gun.
"I thought you said your dog doesn't bite."

"That's not my dog."
:rofl:

I just saw that again about a week ago. :thumb:

Re: Police officer shoots, kills dog playing in dog park:

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:46 pm
by ALPHAGRIZ1
Its just a dog.

Re: Police officer shoots, kills dog playing in dog park:

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 5:41 pm
by JohnStOnge
It wasn't just one person's word against one other person. There was a witness:

"But the man with Asia and a witness we talked to tell a different story. "

Me, I think there is a problem with automatically believing a law enforcement officer. I think it even extends into the legal system. To me, if what you have is a police officer's word vs. the accused word the accused should prevail. Automatically putting more credibility on the police officer's word is not consistent with the principle of "innocent until proven guilty." Yet we have a system where the same agent of the State who accusses someone of a crime can testify that his accusation is correct then the accused is put into the position of having to prove the agent of the State is either lying or in error.

Again: Totally inconsistent with the "innocent until proven guilty" concept. And there is no reason to believe that a law officer's word is any more reliable than anyone else's just because he or she is a law officer. There really isn't.

Re: Police officer shoots, kills dog playing in dog park:

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:07 pm
by Rob Iola
Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:
89Hen wrote: Isn't that how it always is? People do love to jump to conclusions, especially when there's a cop involved.
I've yet to see one dog owner that didn't think there dog was perfectly innocent either.

I've kicked at least two dogs in the fucking head/ribs that the owner told me were completely docile and never bite anyone so don't worry about them...then they weren't complete docile and were willing to bite after all.

Fuck you, your dog gets a god damn Doc Martin treatment. I wasn't carrying a gun.
But that's just it - everyone else gives the dog a swift kick...

Re: Police officer shoots, kills dog playing in dog park:

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 7:08 pm
by Gil Dobie
JohnStOnge wrote:It wasn't just one person's word against one other person. There was a witness:

"But the man with Asia and a witness we talked to tell a different story. "

Me, I think there is a problem with automatically believing a law enforcement officer. I think it even extends into the legal system. To me, if what you have is a police officer's word vs. the accused word the accused should prevail. Automatically putting more credibility on the police officer's word is not consistent with the principle of "innocent until proven guilty." Yet we have a system where the same agent of the State who accusses someone of a crime can testify that his accusation is correct then the accused is put into the position of having to prove the agent of the State is either lying or in error.

Again: Totally inconsistent with the "innocent until proven guilty" concept. And there is no reason to believe that a law officer's word is any more reliable than anyone else's just because he or she is a law officer. There really isn't.
One story left out the officers side of the story with a sympathetic story about the life of the dog, the other had both sides and was less biased. The witnesses, from what I've read, never saw the officer shoot the dog, just saw the dog shot after they turned around. Yes there are 2 stories, but no evidence or witness's to the dog turning on the officer. The officer is innocent until proven guilty.

Re: Police officer shoots, kills dog playing in dog park:

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 8:02 pm
by Rob Iola
Gil Dobie wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:It wasn't just one person's word against one other person. There was a witness:

"But the man with Asia and a witness we talked to tell a different story. "

Me, I think there is a problem with automatically believing a law enforcement officer. I think it even extends into the legal system. To me, if what you have is a police officer's word vs. the accused word the accused should prevail. Automatically putting more credibility on the police officer's word is not consistent with the principle of "innocent until proven guilty." Yet we have a system where the same agent of the State who accusses someone of a crime can testify that his accusation is correct then the accused is put into the position of having to prove the agent of the State is either lying or in error.

Again: Totally inconsistent with the "innocent until proven guilty" concept. And there is no reason to believe that a law officer's word is any more reliable than anyone else's just because he or she is a law officer. There really isn't.
One story left out the officers side of the story with a sympathetic story about the life of the dog, the other had both sides and was less biased. The witnesses, from what I've read, never saw the officer shoot the dog, just saw the dog shot after they turned around. Yes there are 2 stories, but no evidence or witness's to the dog turning on the officer. The officer is innocent until proven guilty.
The officer fired his weapon in a public park, that much is undeniable. What was his justification? And what if he missed the dog and hit a person?

Re: Police officer shoots, kills dog playing in dog park:

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:13 am
by Gil Dobie
Rob Iola wrote:The officer fired his weapon in a public park, that much is undeniable. What was his justification? And what if he missed the dog and hit a person?
From the link above
The officer says Bear tried to bite him, so fearing for his life, he shot the dog.

Re: Police officer shoots, kills dog playing in dog park:

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:23 am
by houndawg
Gil Dobie wrote:
Rob Iola wrote:The officer fired his weapon in a public park, that much is undeniable. What was his justification? And what if he missed the dog and hit a person?
From the link above
The officer says Bear tried to bite him, so fearing for his life, he shot the dog.
"Tried" to bite him? :ohno:



Get that clown off the street before he kills somebody. :ohno:

Re: Police officer shoots, kills dog playing in dog park:

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:35 am
by Gil Dobie
It is still under investigation. One person's interpretation of play is not always another persons interpretation of play. The guy with the Husky wasn't the owner and letting your Husky jump all over a German Shepherd is not the proper way to introduce dogs. My neighbor who owns and raises Rottwillers always complains to me about how dumb other dog owners were when introducing their dogs to his Rots. Let a Husky jump all over a Rot and see what happens, no firearms needed in that case.

Sun Link
Upon arrival, officers observed a light-colored Husky dog (Bear) wounded on the ground. Officers spoke with a 32-year-old off-duty federal police officer, who advised that he and his wife were at the dog park with their leashed German Shepherd dog (Asia) when Bear approached and jumped on his dog. The off-duty federal officer advised that he yelled for the male subject with Bear to come get his dog. According to the officer, Bear began to bite his dog. The off-duty federal officer stated he attempted to get Husky off his dog, but the Husky turned and attempted to bite him before biting his dog a second time. The off-duty officer stated that he feared for the safety of himself, his wife and their dog and subsequently shot the Huskie with a handgun he had in his possession.

Officers then spoke with the male subject who had the Husky at the park. He stated that Bear and the off-duty federal officer’s dog appeared to be playing with each other at the time and that his dog was friendly and never had any problems before at the park.

Re: Police officer shoots, kills dog playing in dog park:

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:00 am
by Rob Iola
Gil Dobie wrote:
Rob Iola wrote:The officer fired his weapon in a public park, that much is undeniable. What was his justification? And what if he missed the dog and hit a person?
From the link above
The officer says Bear tried to bite him, so fearing for his life, he shot the dog.
Fearing for his life? C'mon...

Any dog owner going into a dog park with a German Shepherd should know how to handle things without lethal force. If anyone else pulls out a gun and shoots a dog in a dog park, don't you think they'd be hauled right into court?

Re: Police officer shoots, kills dog playing in dog park:

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:24 am
by bandl
Rob Iola wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:
From the link above
Fearing for his life? C'mon...

Any dog owner going into a dog park with a German Shepherd should know how to handle things without lethal force. If anyone else pulls out a gun and shoots a dog in a dog park, don't you think they'd be hauled right into court?
To boot, any dog owner going into a dog park knows that you never keep your dog on a leash if there are other dogs in the park unleashed. It makes the dog feel trapped and vulnerable, the result being that they can and will defend itself and attack anyone, human or dog, around them. I've seen it happen several times. A caged/leashed animal in close proximity to a free/unleashed animal is almost never a good thing.

So....if this dog owner isn't aware of this simple fact about dogs in general, let alone with a dog that is generally considered to be one of the most intelligent and lethal (if need be) breeds in the world...what makes anyone think that he would know how to handle what is generally considered to be a docile, family-oriented and intelligent breed like a Siberian Huskie? A Siberian Huskie could never threaten a healthy grown man's life, especially an active police officer. A German Shepherd yes, but not a Siberian Huskie.

Re: Police officer shoots, kills dog playing in dog park:

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:33 am
by Franks Tanks
blueballs wrote:There is no excuse for discharging a firearm in a public place unless human life was threatened. Period.
Agree 100%. The trigger happy cop has the right to defend himself but firing a gun in a crowded dog park is also incredibly reckless.

This guy should not be able to carry a firearm.

Re: Police officer shoots, kills dog playing in dog park:

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:05 am
by Appaholic
Franks Tanks wrote:
blueballs wrote:There is no excuse for discharging a firearm in a public place unless human life was threatened. Period.
Agree 100%. The trigger happy cop has the right to defend himself but firing a gun in a crowded dog park is also incredibly reckless.

This guy should not be able to carry a firearm.
Agree.....also agree if he shot my dog, I'd rape his wife in front of him right before I skull-fucked his lifeless corpse....but that's just me.....

Re: Police officer shoots, kills dog playing in dog park:

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:19 am
by Rob Iola
Appaholic wrote:
Franks Tanks wrote:
Agree 100%. The trigger happy cop has the right to defend himself but firing a gun in a crowded dog park is also incredibly reckless.

This guy should not be able to carry a firearm.
Agree.....also agree if he shot my dog, I'd rape his wife in front of him right before I skull-fucked his lifeless corpse....but that's just me.....
I'm guessing he has more than 1 bullet in his gun...