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Ideas?

Take the census every quarter.

Make it easier/cheaper for small business owners to grow their companies...

To start with we could stop this headlong run toward a Socialist state.

If you are Paul Krugman you would say just have the government hire more people which is exactly what I heard him say on a TV interview. One good reason among many that people should read Krugman very critically. He is a political hack first and and economist second.

1. Presently we need policy stability. We don't need business owners wondering what new government policies are going to do their costs. This includes healthcare, cap and trade, etc. All of those things are worthwhile to debate and you can take whatever position you want, but that debate should resume once the economy gets back on track not while business owners are indecisive.
2. Do not raise taxes during a recession. Generally a rule that economist widely accept. Once again debate the rights and wrongs of higher marginal tax rates after the economy is better.
3. I am usually not for targeted tax breaks because I don't think they are effective. Cash for clunkers just pushed car sales up a few months. It didn't increase car sales significantly. If you are going to give targeted tax breaks push the timetable for things business would normally get deductions for anyway such as immediate expenses of equipment. Businesses would normally get the deductions over 3 to 6 years so all you are doing is moving the timing up and providing a way to finance the purchase of equipment.
4. The government should figure out how to enforce the regulations that are on the books now instead of piling on new ones. And yes yes I understand that occasionally there are requirements for new ones. But typically new regulations have uninteded consequences that prohibit innovation more than they protect those needing protection. Also, the large companies just hire a gaggle of lawyers to find a way around it anyway.
5. I would say cut tax rates across the board but with the currect deficit I just don't think that is feasible considering the mess we have made of things.
6. There has to be progress on the deficit but I do agree this is more of a long term issue than a short term one. I don't think the deficit at present is harming investment but that time will come.
7. Labor costs have to be cheaper and every policy decision from health care to union card check makes it more expensives. When business owners have to add 50% on to whatever salary they pay to cover taxes, benefits, red tape, rent, etc. then business owners are slow to hire.
8. I am not now nor will I ever be a supporter of the stimulus bill but since it is here and since much of it is unspent please stop using it to support the arts ( l love the arts) or for grants on insect research (noted exxageration) and please spend it on infrastucture which will actually create a job or two. Personally I don't believe in the multiplier effect but at least we get a job and a tangible benefit out of the money.

There is more but work calls.

Replace free trade with fair trade.

I also think that resolving the immigration issue correctly would go a long way to sparking demand. One reason we have been successful with a growing economy where other democracies have not is that our population has increased signficantly due to immigration. We need a flexible and easy pathway to immigrate to this country and we need to key it toward the educated and professional worker. This might sound harsh and discriminatory but that isn't the intent at all. The intent is to have the productive come here legally. This is also not a bash to the many Mexicans who crawled or rode or whatever accross the border. The vast majority of them are productive although not necessarily educated or professional. But there legal status and to some degree their educational or professional backgrounds diminish much of the productivity they might bring.

Of course with politics they way it is today, you figure out how to get this one accomplished and you will certainly be a genius.

Cheap rabor is sustainabre. You fat, razy Americans want $30/hour to do job a Seoul brother wirr do for $3/hour. Why you think Hyundai kicking ass whire GM get bairout?

Kim Jong Il wrote:Cheap rabor is sustainabre. You fat, razy Americans want $30/hour to do job a Seoul brother wirr do for $3/hour. Why you think Hyundai kicking ass whire GM get bairout?

Aren't those the Capitalist Pigs to the south?

ATrain wrote:Replace free trade with fair trade.

Have you ever looked at the text of NAFTA? It's enormous. A free trade agreement would take only a few pages. NAFTA is very detailed and highly managed trade. There is nothing "free trade" about it.

CitadelGrad wrote:

ATrain wrote:Replace free trade with fair trade.

Have you ever looked at the text of NAFTA? It's enormous. A free trade agreement would take only a few pages. NAFTA is very detailed and highly managed trade. There is nothing "free trade" about it.

Still, it gives the developing economy of Mexico an advantage over our economy when it comes to manufacturing jobs. I am all for free trade with Canada, most of the EU, Australia, New Zeland b/c they have comparable economies with similar rules and regulations regarding the environment, wages, etc...but Mexico and other Latin American countries no thank you, not right now anyway.

We still have abundant natural resources, infrastructure, and consumer markets. We need to protect and provide incentives for domestic manufacturing and severly punish the off-shoring of labor and banking.

Those countries that share these advantages are already doing this. Globalization will go in reverse, and we need to stay ahead of that game.

kalm wrote:We still have abundant natural resources, infrastructure, and consumer markets. We need to protect and provide incentives for domestic manufacturing and severly punish the off-shoring of labor and banking.

Those countries that share these advantages are already doing this. Globalization will go in reverse, and we need to stay ahead of that game.

So high tariffs = sustainable jobs?

Rob Iola wrote:

kalm wrote:We still have abundant natural resources, infrastructure, and consumer markets. We need to protect and provide incentives for domestic manufacturing and severly punish the off-shoring of labor and banking.

Those countries that share these advantages are already doing this. Globalization will go in reverse, and we need to stay ahead of that game.

So high tariffs = sustainable jobs?

It'll help. May decrease overseas sales for some companies, but that will be picked up by domestic sales b/c people can work and actually afford to buy stuff.

I think they tried that in the early 30s. It had mixed results -- bad mixed with worse. Smoot-Hawley, anyone?

CitadelGrad wrote:I think they tried that in the early 30s. It had mixed results -- bad mixed with worse. Smoot-Hawley, anyone?

History folks learn it

ATrain wrote:

Rob Iola wrote: So high tariffs = sustainable jobs?

It'll help. May decrease overseas sales for some companies, but that will be picked up by domestic sales b/c people can work and actually afford to buy stuff.

No, because then all that imported sh*t with a high tariff put on it will get a lot more expensive. And if the same stuff is now produced in the US due to said high tariffs stopping the imports, then you have higher labor, regulatory costs and other business costs. Either way you're paying a lot more for stuff. No thanks.

This will make some of you happy:

Big article in yesterday's USA Today:
"Some manufacturing heads back to USA"
http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2 ... 4_CV_N.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Note to where most of the examples given are- to right to work states..

dbackjon wrote:Ideas?

Here's an idea...

1. Allow people to create a product that people want.

2. Allow those same people to sell that product.

3. Don't require those people to pay their employees more than market worth for their labor (if they want to make more money, then let them go create their OWN valuable product).

4. Stay out of the way.

Why is it that we need to even ask this question hundreds of years after our forbears already demonstrated how to create jobs? Perhaps because people like you want to try to re-invent the wheel after you have created your workers' paradise and have found it lacking?

Get Obama out of office.












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Free up businesses to be more profitable so they can have more money to invest in their business, new technology and expansion.

Lower taxes

Less regulation (mandatory healthcare etc)

Get environmentalists out of the way of progress.

Limit unions. You fuckers put regulations on everything else lets hit these scumbags and make it hard on them to operate the way you do small business.

We could start charging the foreign mining corporations (that extract billions in resources each year) more than $5/acre. That would generate some revenue that could be channeled into sustainable jobs like cleaning up behind the land-rapers.

kalm wrote:We still have abundant natural resources, infrastructure, and consumer markets. We need to protect and provide incentives for domestic manufacturing and severly punish the off-shoring of labor and banking.

So, we regulate companies/industries into oblivion, then act surprised when they move their finances and labor offshore?

CID1990 wrote:

dbackjon wrote:Ideas?

Here's an idea...

1. Allow people to create a product that people want.

2. Allow those same people to sell that product.

3. Don't require those people to pay their employees more than market worth for their labor (if they want to make more money, then let them go create their OWN valuable product).

4. Stay out of the way.

Why is it that we need to even ask this question hundreds of years after our forbears already demonstrated how to create jobs? Perhaps because people like you want to try to re-invent the wheel after you have created your workers' paradise and have found it lacking?

Sounds a lot like ... a free market?!?!???

Yes, the founders were correct. The free enterprise which until several decades ago was protected by the Constitution is the most democratic possible condition for the greatest number of people. The problem is that people like dback and kalm don't like how people vote with their pocketbooks so they try to control them and screw things up. What a crock of sh!t.

AZGrizFan wrote:

kalm wrote:We still have abundant natural resources, infrastructure, and consumer markets. We need to protect and provide incentives for domestic manufacturing and severly punish the off-shoring of labor and banking.

So, we regulate companies/industries into oblivion, then act surprised when they move their finances and labor offshore?

Does regulatory over-reach occurr? Of course.

But quick, place a value for me on all of the regulations that increase your standard of living. Start with something like clean air or clean water and go on from there.

Those values seem to absent from conk calculations.

kalm wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
So, we regulate companies/industries into oblivion, then act surprised when they move their finances and labor offshore?

Does regulatory over-reach occurr? Of course.

But quick, place a value for me on all of the regulations that increase your standard of living. Start with something like clean air or clean water and go on from there.

Those values seem to absent from conk calculations.

Yeah, well it's possible you CAN'T have your cake and eat it too. Because I GUARANTEE you those regulations go into the company's calculations regarding where to build that next plant.