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On the "single most important issue" of our lifetimes, Carter nailed it. Much conk mythology ensues: :rofl:

Jimmy Carter: Worst. American. Ever!
Why right-wing bloggers think the peanut farmer was more heinous than any serial killer -- or even Obama
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President Carter addresses the nation on April 18, 1977. Let's get the big honking disclaimer out of the way first. As a callow 18-year-old, I cast my first vote for president of the United States in 1980 to reelect Jimmy Carter. While I can't claim to be have been a hugely enthusiastic supporter of the much-beleaguered president (he reinstated registration for the draft, for crying out loud!), there was no doubt in my mind that he was infinitely superior to that joke from California, a has-been actor who already had one foot inside a retirement home. I also was confident that Richard Nixon's disgrace would keep Republicans out of the White House for at least a couple more terms.

Needless to say, I was rather shocked at the outcome of that election, and have pondered its significance ever since. While I think Carter was largely doomed by factors that he had little direct control over -- the oil shocks and the hostage crisis -- I am willing to admit that he had his flaws and didn't leave much of an enduring legacy. He certainly wouldn't be on my list of the top 10 U.S. presidents.

But in what universe does he qualify as the Worst American of All Time? How does that work?

All weekend long, liberals have been goggling at a thoroughly unscientific poll of right-wing bloggers by the Right Wing News blog that purports to list the 25 worst Americans of all time -- the lowest of the low of "all the gangsters, serial killers, mass murderers, incompetent & crooked politicians, spies, traitors, and ultra left-wing kooks in all of American history."

By its very nature, a list such as this is all but useless as any kind of objective analysis of American history, but we can still glean some insights into the conservative mind from its preoccupations. At the top of the rankings: Jimmy Carter. No. 2: Barack Obama. 3. Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

Now, I could understand a right-wing biased list of American malefactors that started off with FDR. That would make ideological sense, since no other president accomplished as much in the way of building Big Government as Roosevelt. "That man" was dangerous! Even liberals feel uneasy at his attempts to pack the Supreme Court.

I could even understand, if not accept, a list that put Obama at the top. Considering the proportion of the electorate that believes our current president is an illegal immigrant Muslim socialist, you'd think he'd be in first place by a mile! But even worse, for a generation reared on the Reagan Revolution, the spectacle of a president who actually managed to pass healthcare reform and reregulate the financial sector must be a fearsome thing indeed. (Kind of like seeing 2,000 German tanks massing just across your border.) FDR comes in third because memories are short as to what true policy effectiveness looks like.

But Jimmy Carter? Right-wing bloggers think Jimmy Carter is the worst American of all time? Are they purposefully trying to make themselves look ridiculous? How does a president who, all things considered, didn't achieve very much at all get ranked as more evil than the presidents who actually made a difference?

My Salon colleague Steve Kornacki believes that the ongoing conservative campaign to denigrate Carter is the flip side of the endless hagiography lavished on Ronald Reagan. Carter must be depicted as the worst of the worst in order to embellish the legend of the Gipper, who saved the nation from mediocrity and ushered in a brand-new day. Before morning can break, darkness must fall, in other words. In this construct, we have hostages taken during Carter's watch, but released within minutes of Reagan's accession. We have Carter giving the Panama Canal back to Panama, while Reagan obliterates Grenada. Carter ineffectually boycotts the Olympics while Reagan wins the Cold War.

There's definitely truth to this analysis, but it still doesn't quite explain the depth of animosity. So let's try another explanation.

We shouldn't underestimate the devastating economic impact of the oil shocks of 1973 and 1979 on the U.S. economy. More than any other single factor, the spike in oil prices derailed the great American economic locomotive and much of the damage was felt during the Carter administration. Carter saw it for the wakeup call it was and told the American people exactly what they needed to do. And he said some mean things about our intrinsically American wasteful sloth.


But we do have a choice about how we will spend the next few years. Each American uses the energy equivalent of 60 barrels of oil per person each year. Ours is the most wasteful nation on earth. We waste more energy than we import. With about the same standard of living, we use twice as much energy per person as do other countries like Germany, Japan and Sweden.

One choice is to continue doing what we have been doing before. We can drift along for a few more years.

Our consumption of oil would keep going up every year. Our cars would continue to be too large and inefficient. Three-quarters of them would continue to carry only one person -- the driver -- while our public transportation system continues to decline.


Jimmy Carter's energy speech is dazzling in its prescience. If the country had followed the 10 principles he outlined in that speech (No. 10: "we must start now to develop the new, unconventional sources of energy we will rely on in the next century"), the United States would be in a far more secure position, economically and internationally, than it is now. Our dependence on Mideast Islamic nations would be greatly lessened. Our freedom of action in confronting the challenge of global warming would be dramatically strengthened. We would be spending less of our money on gas, burning less coal, and enjoying a much improved trade balance.

Carter, reviled for so long for his supposed mediocrity and ineffectuality, was right on the money on the single most important issue that links together American foreign policy, economic growth and the sustainability of a stable climate. With each year that passes, he becomes more right. The best explanation I can imagine for explaining why conservatives think he is the worst American of all time is that the challenge of dealing with that paradox has driven them all utterly insane.
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Our freedom of action in confronting the challenge of global warming would be dramatically strengthened. We would be spending less of our money on gas, burning less coal, and enjoying a much improved trade balance.
That's odd, in Carter's speech he actually advocated making a major shift to coal and burning much more than we were at the time - I think he called it one of our most abundant domestic resources.
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Idiot? yes
Racist? Almost certainly
Moron? Without a doubt
Dangerous? Possibly

But #3 on "worst Americans ever"? Hardly....

I'd put Michael Moore, Nancy Pelosi and the dailykos guy WAAAY above Carter.
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Jimmy had the nukes loaded and ready in the UK, against the arms treaty, ready to fire at the Soviets if they invaded Poland. Then Reagan was elected and single handedly took down the USSR without firing a shot. :kisswink:
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Reagan singlehandedly took down the USSR? :rofl:
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Gil Dobie wrote:Jimmy had the nukes loaded and ready in the UK, against the arms treaty, ready to fire at the Soviets if they invaded Poland. Then Reagan was elected and single handedly took down the USSR without firing a shot. :kisswink:
Jimmy wasn't going to intervene on Poland's behalf, other than perhaps a strongly worded diplomatic statement and a harsh speech by our UN ambassador.
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Skjellyfetti wrote:Reagan singlehandedly took down the USSR? :rofl:
WTF? You did not know that?

Already been printed in textbooks in most counties of Texas, Kansas, Utah, S. Carolina, and Wyoming.

Only those living outside those areas might still be able to harbor some shreds of doubt on this fastly forming fact of truth. :dunce:
























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Skjellyfetti wrote:Reagan singlehandedly took down the USSR? :rofl:

Took them down so fast that even the CIA was caught flat-footed by their collapse. :nod:













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As an ultra-conservative Elephant, I call #bs on this. Reagan had one of the most corrupt adimistrations in history (all under his senile nose). We have a Commie and an adulterer, both of whom dodged the draft, screwing up the White HOuse, and a Sunday School teaching Naval officer is rated the worst American ever?!?

This is utter hogwash.
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SuperHornet wrote:As an ultra-conservative Elephant, I call #bs on this. Reagan had one of the most corrupt adimistrations in history (all under his senile nose). We have a Commie and an adulterer, both of whom dodged the draft, screwing up the White HOuse, and a Sunday School teaching Naval officer is rated the worst American ever?!?

This is utter hogwash.
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houndawg wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote:Reagan singlehandedly took down the USSR? :rofl:

Took them down so fast that even the CIA was caught flat-footed by their collapse. :nod:
When have they not been caught flat-footed? :lol: :ohno:
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SuperHornet wrote:As an ultra-conservative Elephant, I call #bs on this. Reagan had one of the most corrupt adimistrations in history (all under his senile nose). We have a Commie and an adulterer, both of whom dodged the draft, screwing up the White HOuse, and a Sunday School teaching Naval officer is rated the worst American ever?!?

This is utter hogwash.
Anytime someone starts a sentence or with a statement on how they're a hardcore conservative Republican before bashing some well liked conservative Republican, my bullshit detector goes up.

Superhornet who wants unemployment bennies extended ad infinitum, bashes Reagan, defends that liberal, incompetent loon Carter, yet claims to be "an unltra-conservative elephant" Yeah.....right.... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Hell, I may as well claim I am a left wing donkey... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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BDKJMU wrote:
SuperHornet wrote:As an ultra-conservative Elephant, I call #bs on this. Reagan had one of the most corrupt adimistrations in history (all under his senile nose). We have a Commie and an adulterer, both of whom dodged the draft, screwing up the White HOuse, and a Sunday School teaching Naval officer is rated the worst American ever?!?

This is utter hogwash.
Anytime someone starts a sentence or with a statement on how they're a hardcore conservative Republican before bashing some well liked conservative Republican, my bullshit detector goes up.

Superhornet who wants unemployment bennies extended ad infinitum, bashes Reagan, defends that liberal, incompetent loon Carter, yet claims to be "an unltra-conservative elephant" Yeah.....right.... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Hell, I may as well claim I am a left wing donkey... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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FYI: The :kisswink: at the end of my statement, meant is was stated in gest. :rofl:

It was fun being a voyeur and watching the Donk orgasms though :rofl:
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If we had followed Carter's lead and began shifting to renewables and less dependance on foreign oil 30 years ago where would we be now? Would 9/11, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the gulf oil spill have happened?
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kalm wrote:If we had followed Carter's lead and began shifting to renewables and less dependance on foreign oil 30 years ago where would we be now? Would 9/11, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the gulf oil spill have happened?
High probability, Carter Admin stopped the Nuclear power plants. If we had continued building new Nuke plants, would we be at par with France on Nuclear technology or beyond the French and have a use for nuclear waste.
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BDKJMU wrote:
SuperHornet wrote:As an ultra-conservative Elephant, I call #bs on this. Reagan had one of the most corrupt adimistrations in history (all under his senile nose). We have a Commie and an adulterer, both of whom dodged the draft, screwing up the White HOuse, and a Sunday School teaching Naval officer is rated the worst American ever?!?

This is utter hogwash.
Anytime someone starts a sentence or with a statement on how they're a hardcore conservative Republican before bashing some well liked conservative Republican, my bullshit detector goes up.

Superhornet who wants unemployment bennies extended ad infinitum, bashes Reagan, defends that liberal, incompetent loon Carter, yet claims to be "an unltra-conservative elephant" Yeah.....right.... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Hell, I may as well claim I am a left wing donkey... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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AZGrizFan wrote:Idiot? yes
Racist? Almost certainly
Moron? Without a doubt
Dangerous? Possibly

But #3 on "worst Americans ever"? Hardly....

I'd put Michael Moore, Nancy Pelosi and the dailykos guy WAAAY above Carter.
I generally agree that Carter was a feckless, incompetent President -- certainly in the Bottom 10 -- but far from the worst American of all time. If you equate "racist" with anti-Semitic, I agree. The Nobel Peace Prize that he slobbered over for years before finally getting has definitely gone to his head. What is he, 86? He'll check out soon.
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Gil Dobie wrote:FYI: The :kisswink: at the end of my statement, meant is was stated in gest. :rofl:
I thought the :kisswink: meant you wanted to fuck. :cry:
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There is a lot of room to justly criticize Jimmy Carter for things he did wrong and failed to do right, but proclaiming him the worst American ever demonstrates a very limited knowledge of American History.

Before you ask, politically I am estranged from all parties. I hold views that were considered moderate as a younger man that would be classified as right of center in today's political environment.

I considered myself a Democrat until 10 or so years ago when they began their lemming imitation to kill the golden goose of the modified free enterprise system we had and replace it with an economic model that has failed around the world. They have failed to grasp that the standard of living of the entire country is lowered through full fledged socialism as opposed to providing a safety net with the watered down version we have had for the 50+ years previous.

Having visited in the former communistic countries of the former Soviet block, I have come to realize that socialism can destroy the initiative of enough of a country to doom it from achieving prosperity. Government rationing of resources is not the answer for long term problems and will cause more than it solves.
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Skjellyfetti wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:FYI: The :kisswink: at the end of my statement, meant is was stated in gest. :rofl:
I thought the :kisswink: meant you wanted to ****. :cry:
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Jimmy Carter's energy speech is dazzling in its prescience. If the country had followed the 10 principles he outlined in that speech (No. 10: "we must start now to develop the new, unconventional sources of energy we will rely on in the next century"), the United States would be in a far more secure position, economically and internationally, than it is now.
There is absolutely no way to know that. There really isn't. Yes, it's inevitable that civilization will have to find forms of energy other than fossil fuels. But there is not way one can know that to "...start now to develop the new, unconventional sources of energy we will rely on in the next century..." in the 1970s would've meant the United States would be in a more secure position right now.
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JohnStOnge wrote:
Jimmy Carter's energy speech is dazzling in its prescience. If the country had followed the 10 principles he outlined in that speech (No. 10: "we must start now to develop the new, unconventional sources of energy we will rely on in the next century"), the United States would be in a far more secure position, economically and internationally, than it is now.
There is absolutely no way to know that. There really isn't. Yes, it's inevitable that civilization will have to find forms of energy other than fossil fuels. But there is not way one can know that to "...start now to develop the new, unconventional sources of energy we will rely on in the next century..." in the 1970s would've meant the United States would be in a more secure position right now.
One of the pledges was to never consume more foreign oil than we did at that time.

So you think if we were consuming the same amount of foreign oil today that we did in the late 70's we wouldn't be in a more secure economic and international position? You don't think renewable energy technology would be further along?
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Ivytalk wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:Idiot? yes
Racist? Almost certainly
Moron? Without a doubt
Dangerous? Possibly

But #3 on "worst Americans ever"? Hardly....

I'd put Michael Moore, Nancy Pelosi and the dailykos guy WAAAY above Carter.
I generally agree that Carter was a feckless, incompetent President -- certainly in the Bottom 10 -- but far from the worst American of all time. If you equate "racist" with anti-Semitic, I agree. The Nobel Peace Prize that he slobbered over for years before finally getting has definitely gone to his head. ....
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AZGrizFan wrote:Idiot? yes
Racist? Almost certainly
Moron? Without a doubt
Dangerous? Possibly

But #3 on "worst Americans ever"? Hardly....

I'd put Michael Moore, Nancy Pelosi and the dailykos guy WAAAY above Carter.

So, people who expose the truth are bad Americans, eh?

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