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I hope Judge Donald Molloy's decision to re-list wolves under his new and improved Endangered Species Act gets him a promotion, preferably to the 9th Circuit where his brand of judicial activism can be overturned by the Supreme Court 76 percent of the time. The easiest job in Montana has to be playing an environmental jester in Molloy's court, and this latest ruling is just another dose of ice water in the legal enema that is wolf reintroduction.

Evidently, Molloy doesn't like Johnny Wyoming's essay, so he is flunking the whole class - even those who have done "A" work. It seems that he is quite concerned about biological and political lines, another newly invented judicial moving of the goal posts.

From the beginning of this unholy debate, concerned sportsmen and conservationists were given assurances about wolf control and de-listing. Every one has been a lie. We were told that de-listing could happen when there were 30 breeding pairs or 300 wolves. That was obviously a lie. We've had that many for more than 10 years. Ranchers would be fully compensated for wolf kills? Another lie. Wolf reintroduction was not to cause dramatic loss of hunter opportunity. Pre-wolf, Fish, Wildlife and Parks annually offered about 2,600 elk licenses for the late season hunts around Gardiner. This year it is exactly zero. Another big, fat lie.

Bunch of pussies don't know how to hunt is the problem. Wolves are improving the herd quality by culling the lame, sick, and feeble, which coincidently are the only ones that 99% of hunters can get. You boys need to man up and learn how to hunt right.

If you're going to bitch about Travis starting thousands of red sox threads, could you keep all the wolf stuff to one thread? thx.

I like wolves. They thin out the sick wildlife. They're cool. I intentionally hunt rabbits in the Minnesota Arrowhead country and leave them for wolves to feast on. I hope they start cruising the north side of Minneapolis, after which we would witness a precipitous drop in crime.

Woof, woof.

Grizalltheway wrote:If you're going to bitch about Travis starting thousands of red sox threads, could you keep all the wolf stuff to one thread? thx.

houndawg wrote:Bunch of pussies don't know how to hunt is the problem. Wolves are improving the herd quality by culling the lame, sick, and feeble, which coincidently are the only ones that 99% of hunters can get. You boys need to man up and learn how to hunt right.

The elk herd around our property has gone from 1600ish to less than 300 in under 5 years. We went from being able to buy tags over the counter to having less than 50 available by drawing.

The wolves are directly responsible for this but its not really about the wolves its about the environmentalists getting rid of hunting.

Right now I am killing wolves anywhere and everywhere I see them, but its just the beginning, if the environmentalists keep it up.

I think for every 100 acres of land you own you should be required to raise a pack of wolves.

Is WB a conk?

Is WB a donk?

Is WB an independent type?

Does WB actually reside and recreate in the afflicted areas?

Here is my assessment, the re-intro was a total and complete eco-whacko cluster fuck that has cost US millions of dollars.

Fact, it is not 1901, it is 2010, the landscape has changed dramatically, and permanently, there is no longer room to range for these critters, who were hunted and trapped out 70 years ago for the same reasons we are paying out the ass right now.

Fact, the first 25 wolves came from Canada, they are Canadian Grey Wolves, not the native species, the Rocky Mountain timber wolf. The Canadian wolves are as invasive as the Lake Trout in Yellowstone Lake that we are spending again, millions of dollars to try to eradicate. These first 25 Canadian wolves each cost a million of our tax payers dollars to re-introduce.

Fact, the current admitted population of these alien Canadian wolves is three times the target number asked for in the beginning, and the cost of repaying stock losses, and managing the wolf population with federal workers is making the initial 25 million price tag look real cheap.

Fact, we will in fact have to again, eradicate these animals from most of the range they occupy because of the sheer cost in not only livestock and personal property, but eventually economic loss when there is nothing to see in our parks in the way of wildlife, you see they have limited range also, and to put packs of wolves in with them, in their over-sized zoo pen is, well, stupid. The cost of eradication at this point is many, many times the original cost of importing these foreign animals, I believe they are undocumented aliens, living off'n our tax dollars.

But who am I? I only LIVE here.

Skjellyfetti wrote:I think for every 100 acres of land you own you should be required to raise a pack of wolves.

We could use them here, the whitetail here are overrunning the landscape and the only natural predator they have is cars.

Wedgebuster wrote:Is WB a conk?

Is WB a donk?

Is WB an independent type?

Does WB actually reside and recreate in the afflicted areas?

Here is my assessment, the re-intro was a total and complete eco-whacko cluster **** that has cost US millions of dollars.

Fact, it is not 1901, it is 2010, the landscape has changed dramatically, and permanently, there is no longer room to range for these critters, who were hunted and trapped out 70 years ago for the same reasons we are paying out the ass right now.

Fact, the first 25 wolves came from Canada, they are Canadian Grey Wolves, not the native species, the Rocky Mountain timber wolf. The Canadian wolves are as invasive as the Lake Trout in Yellowstone Lake that we are spending again, millions of dollars to try to eradicate. These first 25 Canadian wolves each cost a million of our tax payers dollars to re-introduce.

Fact, the current admitted population of these alien Canadian wolves is three times the target number asked for in the beginning, and the cost of repaying stock losses, and managing the wolf population with federal workers is making the initial 25 million price tag look real cheap.

Fact, we will in fact have to again, eradicate these animals from most of the range they occupy because of the sheer cost in not only livestock and personal property, but eventually economic loss when there is nothing to see in our parks in the way of wildlife, you see they have limited range also, and to put packs of wolves in with them, in their over-sized zoo pen is, well, stupid. The cost of eradication at this point is many, many times the original cost of importing these foreign animals, I believe they are undocumented aliens, living off'n our tax dollars.

But who am I? I only LIVE here.

The cost of repaying stock losses? grizzassholic says that is just a lie. Of course he tends to get a little bit.....hysterical. Wanting people to kill themselves and all sorts of weird shit...

I'm curious, wedge, do the ranchers raising bison lose as much to wolves as the ones raising non-native cattle?

houndawg wrote:

Wedgebuster wrote:Is WB a conk?

Is WB a donk?

Is WB an independent type?

Does WB actually reside and recreate in the afflicted areas?

Here is my assessment, the re-intro was a total and complete eco-whacko cluster **** that has cost US millions of dollars.

Fact, it is not 1901, it is 2010, the landscape has changed dramatically, and permanently, there is no longer room to range for these critters, who were hunted and trapped out 70 years ago for the same reasons we are paying out the ass right now.

Fact, the first 25 wolves came from Canada, they are Canadian Grey Wolves, not the native species, the Rocky Mountain timber wolf. The Canadian wolves are as invasive as the Lake Trout in Yellowstone Lake that we are spending again, millions of dollars to try to eradicate. These first 25 Canadian wolves each cost a million of our tax payers dollars to re-introduce.

Fact, the current admitted population of these alien Canadian wolves is three times the target number asked for in the beginning, and the cost of repaying stock losses, and managing the wolf population with federal workers is making the initial 25 million price tag look real cheap.

Fact, we will in fact have to again, eradicate these animals from most of the range they occupy because of the sheer cost in not only livestock and personal property, but eventually economic loss when there is nothing to see in our parks in the way of wildlife, you see they have limited range also, and to put packs of wolves in with them, in their over-sized zoo pen is, well, stupid. The cost of eradication at this point is many, many times the original cost of importing these foreign animals, I believe they are undocumented aliens, living off'n our tax dollars.

But who am I? I only LIVE here.

The cost of repaying stock losses? grizzassholic says that is just a lie. Of course he tends to get a little bit.....hysterical. Wanting people to kill themselves and all sorts of weird shit...

I'm curious, wedge, do the ranchers raising bison lose as much to wolves as the ones raising non-native cattle?

One of the positives stated by the re-intro proponents was that the Yellowstone Wolf Pack would help keep the bison numbers in check, and therefore they would cease to try and migrate out of the park in the winter onto ranch lands.

The wolves never made a dent in the Bison population who herd up for calving and protect each other. Instead, the wolves first went for the moose who go off and drop their calves individually. A calf moose has no chance against wolves, as soon as the cow charges a wolf, another wolf sneaks in and takes the calf. Then on to the elk, then domestic livestock and pets.

Meanwhile, back in the Lamar Valley, there are so many bison that a dust cloud just hangs in the air this time of year, and the forage is eaten down to the root, so they will again be heading North this winter. The wolves have left the park to disperse across a wide area with much more various and tender meats to snack on.

I am more than sure, we will come to a point when there is nothing else to do but begin the eradication process all over again, this time with government helicopters and government hunters on the time clock.

My brother's ex-wife is a bone cruncher in Bakersfield, California and she gives money to the Sierra Club, Defenders Of Wildlife, etc and tried to lecture me about the need for wolves in my county saying that we residents are fucking up her environment. I bitch slapped that crazy cunt so bad, my brother had to divorce her.

Wovles are cool and they were here long before us. Eradication? Same thing we did to the Natives.

Eradicated? No
Hunted? Yes. Do not agree with the recent ruling disallowing any hunting season of any sort (if I understood correctly).

My only argument for the wolves & against their haters is this fact....when wolves were more prevalent in the west, so were other species. The only introduction that is directly responsible for the eradication of any other species is the white man & his cattle.