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It’s hard to ignore the fact that Jesus chose to be born poor; he worked as what many scholars now say was not simply a carpenter, but what might be called a day laborer; he spent his days and nights with the poor; he and his disciples lived with few if any possessions; he advocated tirelessly for the poor in a time when poverty was widely considered to be a curse; he placed the poor in many of his parables as over and above the rich; and he died an utterly poor man with only a single seamless garment to his name. Jesus lived and died as a poor man. Why is this so hard for modern-day Christians to see? Liberation theology is not Marxism disguised as religion. It is Christianity presented in all its disturbing fullness.

Glenn Beck’s opposition to “social justice” and “liberation theology” is all the more difficult to understand because of his cloaking of himself in the mantle of believer. “Look to God and make your choice,” he said on Sunday.

This should be fun!

dbackjon wrote:http://www.americamagazine.org/blog/ent ... ry_id=3224

It’s hard to ignore the fact that Jesus chose to be born poor; he worked as what many scholars now say was not simply a carpenter, but what might be called a day laborer; he spent his days and nights with the poor; he and his disciples lived with few if any possessions; he advocated tirelessly for the poor in a time when poverty was widely considered to be a curse; he placed the poor in many of his parables as over and above the rich; and he died an utterly poor man with only a single seamless garment to his name. Jesus lived and died as a poor man. Why is this so hard for modern-day Christians to see? Liberation theology is not Marxism disguised as religion. It is Christianity presented in all its disturbing fullness.

Glenn Beck’s opposition to “social justice” and “liberation theology” is all the more difficult to understand because of his cloaking of himself in the mantle of believer. “Look to God and make your choice,” he said on Sunday.

You are 100% right on.

How can you love Jesus and be a Bigot?
How can you love Jesus and not want to help the sick and poor?
How can you love Jesus and not want to treat people with compassion?


PLEASE someone answer this??

Well this thread is perfectly primed for D1B to hijack.

I don't look to a circus barker like Beck for my religious views or my political views - the fact that he's drawing crowds demonstrates how disenfranchised the populace is with the way DC is working these days.

mrklean wrote:

dbackjon wrote:http://www.americamagazine.org/blog/ent ... ry_id=3224

It’s hard to ignore the fact that Jesus chose to be born poor; he worked as what many scholars now say was not simply a carpenter, but what might be called a day laborer; he spent his days and nights with the poor; he and his disciples lived with few if any possessions; he advocated tirelessly for the poor in a time when poverty was widely considered to be a curse; he placed the poor in many of his parables as over and above the rich; and he died an utterly poor man with only a single seamless garment to his name. Jesus lived and died as a poor man. Why is this so hard for modern-day Christians to see? Liberation theology is not Marxism disguised as religion. It is Christianity presented in all its disturbing fullness.

Glenn Beck’s opposition to “social justice” and “liberation theology” is all the more difficult to understand because of his cloaking of himself in the mantle of believer. “Look to God and make your choice,” he said on Sunday.

You are 100% right on.

How can you love Jesus and be a Bigot?
How can you love Jesus and not want to help the sick and poor?
How can you love Jesus and not want to treat people with compassion?


PLEASE someone answer this??

I don't think all of the people you're referring to are bigots, prefer not to help the sick and poor, and don't treat people with compassion (though undoubtedly there are some). Many just disagree on how to provide help. Should it be compulsory? How should it be done? Who should do it? Those are questions that some people have who still "love Jesus" regardless of political alignment.

ASUMountaineer wrote:

mrklean wrote:

You are 100% right on.

How can you love Jesus and be a Bigot?
How can you love Jesus and not want to help the sick and poor?
How can you love Jesus and not want to treat people with compassion?


PLEASE someone answer this??

I don't think all of the people you're referring to are bigots, prefer not to help the sick and poor, and don't treat people with compassion (though undoubtedly there are some). Many just disagree on how to provide help. Should it be compulsory? How should it be done? Who should do it? Those are questions that some people have who still "love Jesus" regardless of political alignment.

I'm pretty sure that giving help by cutting taxes on the rich was not a part of the Jesus agenda.

Jesus Christ was a man who traveled through the land
A hard-working man and brave
He said to the rich, "Give your money to the poor,"
So they laid Jesus Christ in His grave

...

He went to the preacher, He went to the sheriff
He told them all the same
"Sell all of your jewelry and give it to the poor,"
So they laid Jesus Christ in His grave.

...

This song was written in New York City
Of rich man, preacher, and slave
If Jesus was to preach what He preached in Galilee,
They would lay poor Jesus in His grave.

kalm wrote:

ASUMountaineer wrote:
I don't think all of the people you're referring to are bigots, prefer not to help the sick and poor, and don't treat people with compassion (though undoubtedly there are some). Many just disagree on how to provide help. Should it be compulsory? How should it be done? Who should do it? Those are questions that some people have who still "love Jesus" regardless of political alignment.

I'm pretty sure that giving help by cutting taxes on the rich was not a part of the Jesus agenda.

Never said it was.

ASUMountaineer wrote:

kalm wrote:
I'm pretty sure that giving help by cutting taxes on the rich was not a part of the Jesus agenda.

Never said it was.

No, you're right, it's a great question, and all of us fall short of Jesus's standards. If you're fat while those around you or those within reach are malnourished are you doing all that you could? If you have more than one house, or a walk-in closet full of clothes while those within reach freeze...

But Glenn Beck's admonishments on the issue fall seemingly waaaaaaaaaaaaay short.

Skjellyfetti wrote:Jesus Christ was a man who traveled through the land
A hard-working man and brave
He said to the rich, "Give your money to the poor,"
So they laid Jesus Christ in His grave

...

He went to the preacher, He went to the sheriff
He told them all the same
"Sell all of your jewelry and give it to the poor,"
So they laid Jesus Christ in His grave.

...

This song was written in New York City
Of rich man, preacher, and slave
If Jesus was to preach what He preached in Galilee,
They would lay poor Jesus in His grave.

"Let's have Christ our President
Let us have him for our king
Cast your vote for the Carpenter
That you call the Nazarene
The only way we can ever beat
These crooked politician men
Is to run the money changers out of the temple
Put the Carpenter in
O It's Jesus Christ our President
God above our king
With a job and a pension for young and old
We will make hallelujah ring
Every year we waste enough
To feed the ones who starve
We build our civilization up
And we shoot it down with wars
But with the Carpenter on the seat
Way up in the Capital town
The USA would be on the way
Prosperity Bound!"

Funny, Glenn Beck ain't soundin' like this so much.

The interesting part of Beck's rambling is that he did make one very good point. That was about tithing.

If every religious person (no just Christian, but all religions) tithed the standard 10% of their income to the churches/mosques/etc... those organizations could use that money for community outreach. They could be able to help more of the needy people. Provide a daycare, shelters, etc... These are all things that the government currently tries to do, and not all that well. By being able to do that the load of the government to be responsible for all of these things is lightened. The need for a gigantic government starts to go away, the communities *might* start growing stronger, and what not.


Now, that is assuming religions wouldn't use that money to push an agenda, but I'll let analjelly, Cap, or D1B go into that aspect of it.

kalm wrote:

ASUMountaineer wrote:
I don't think all of the people you're referring to are bigots, prefer not to help the sick and poor, and don't treat people with compassion (though undoubtedly there are some). Many just disagree on how to provide help. Should it be compulsory? How should it be done? Who should do it? Those are questions that some people have who still "love Jesus" regardless of political alignment.

I'm pretty sure that giving help by cutting taxes on the rich was not a part of the Jesus agenda.

Hmmm very interesting correlation there.

Only the government can raise or lower taxes, and coupling that action with the "Jesus agenda" seems a little strange with that whole "wall of separation" thing....

kalm wrote:

ASUMountaineer wrote:
Never said it was.

No, you're right, it's a great question, and all of us fall short of Jesus's standards. If you're fat while those around you or those within reach are malnourished are you doing all that you could? If you have more than one house, or a walk-in closet full of clothes while those within reach freeze...

But Glenn Beck's admonishments on the issue fall seemingly waaaaaaaaaaaaay short.

You're right, but, again I never even mentioned Beck's admonishments on the issue--I simply answered a question.

Beck's "stances" follow the money, he's made this clear yet people still buy the crap. Of course we all fall short of Jesus' teachings, of course we could all do more. Like I said, that's not the issue. The issue is how do we all do more. mrklean would prefer the government to take up the "Jesus agenda," others disagree. That was my point, use it how you see fit.

ASUMountaineer wrote:

kalm wrote:
No, you're right, it's a great question, and all of us fall short of Jesus's standards. If you're fat while those around you or those within reach are malnourished are you doing all that you could? If you have more than one house, or a walk-in closet full of clothes while those within reach freeze...

But Glenn Beck's admonishments on the issue fall seemingly waaaaaaaaaaaaay short.

You're right, but, again I never even mentioned Beck's admonishments on the issue--I simply answered a question.

Beck's "stances" follow the money, he's made this clear yet people still buy the crap. Of course we all fall short of Jesus' teachings, of course we could all do more. Like I said, that's not the issue. The issue is how do we all do more. mrklean would prefer the government to take up the "Jesus agenda," others disagree. That was my point, use it how you see fit.

At the risk of sounding like a thread hijack nazi, your comments were made in the context of a Glenn Beck-social justice/liberation theology thread.

Jesus. LOL.

CitadelGrad wrote:Jesus. LOL.

Graddy,
I see from your avatar infor that you're a fan of Jack Kerouac. I read On The Road about five years ago and was left disappointed, except for the part where they were driving through Mexico smoking pot like Cheech and Chong. That was cool.

Is my disappointment at that proclaimed novel because the jaded, wordly Cap'n Cat read it in the 2000's and not in the 50 and 60's when such shit would have been truly "sensational"?

Don't talk to me, you pinko fuck.

CitadelGrad wrote:Don't talk to me, you pinko fuck.

A little taste of my own medicine!!!!

kalm wrote:

ASUMountaineer wrote:
You're right, but, again I never even mentioned Beck's admonishments on the issue--I simply answered a question.

Beck's "stances" follow the money, he's made this clear yet people still buy the crap. Of course we all fall short of Jesus' teachings, of course we could all do more. Like I said, that's not the issue. The issue is how do we all do more. mrklean would prefer the government to take up the "Jesus agenda," others disagree. That was my point, use it how you see fit.

At the risk of sounding like a thread hijack nazi, your comments were made in the context of a Glenn Beck-social justice/liberation theology thread.

I quoted mrklean's question and answered it. How is that not clear?

My comments were part in this thread, but when has that mattered on CS before? Read the "Letting go of God" thread and tell me those posts all relate to the original concept of the thread. Again, I quoted mrklean's questioned and answered them...the context was in regards to mrklean's question. You read into it what you wanted. If my comments were about Beck's liberation statements, I would have quoted the original post or no posts.

mrklean wrote: ...How can you love Jesus and be a Bigot?...

You should know. Please do tell.

native wrote:

mrklean wrote: ...How can you love Jesus and be a Bigot?...

You should know. Please do tell.

I hate no one. hate has no place in 2010. People who hate grown nto mean azz old men and women. We as a country have to grow and learn from our mistakes. I even like you. even though you are wrong 99% of the time

mrklean wrote:

native wrote:
You should know. Please do tell.

I hate no one. hate has no place in 2010. People who hate grown nto mean azz old men and women. We as a country have to grow and learn from our mistakes. I even like you. even though you are wrong 99% of the time

Hate is bred in politics to help their party win elections, and spread to the populace to feed on their parties beliefs and make the other party look the worse.

Gil Dobie wrote:

mrklean wrote: I hate no one. hate has no place in 2010. People who hate grown nto mean azz old men and women. We as a country have to grow and learn from our mistakes. I even like you. even though you are wrong 99% of the time

Hate is bred in politics to help their party win elections, and spread to the populace to feed on their parties beliefs and make the other party look the worse.

Stinky Conk rabblerouser.

Cap'n Cat wrote:

Gil Dobie wrote:
Hate is bred in politics to help their party win elections, and spread to the populace to feed on their parties beliefs and make the other party look the worse.

Stinky Conk rabblerouser.

Take off those Donk glasses and see the love