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Wisconsin Concealed Carry Ban UNCONSTITUTIONAL

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:51 am
by Col Hogan
A Wisconsin judge has ruled the total ban on concealed carry of a legal weapon by citizens is unconstitutional...Wisconsin is one of only two states with a total ban, the other being Illinois...
In the case, authorities charged a Sauk City man with carrying a concealed weapon, after he admitted he had a knife in his waistband. He never threatened anyone. In light of the landmark Supreme Court ruling in McDonald v. City of Chicago, attorney William Poss filed a motion to dismiss the case on constitutional grounds. (Clark County) Judge Jon Counsell obliged Wednesday, ruling the law is overly broad and violates both the Second and Fourteenth Amendments of the Constitution.

“The government has to have a compelling state interest to do so (restrict the right to carry) and they have to have the least restrictive means of doing that,” said Poss. “Public safety obviously is a state interest, but there’s all kinds of ways to do that in this regard.” In his decision, Counsell states the law forces citizens to “go unarmed (thus not able to act in self defense), violate the law or carry openly,” but notes displaying weapon’s openly isn’t a “realistic alternative.”

As of now, the decision only sets a precedent in Counsell’s court, but Poss expects the case will be appealed. “It’s ultimately going to get to either the Wisconsin Supreme Court and or the United States Supreme Court one way or another,” he predicted. The decision was disseminated around the state Wednesday, and Poss already had 50 congratulatory phone messages or e-mails from colleagues by Wednesday afternoon. “There’s a lot of interest in this obviously,” he said. “It’s not a left or right type of thing quite frankly. It’s a liberty thing.”
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Wisconsin's Attorney General has in the past ruled that open carry is legal...

A recent incident in Madison, where the Madison police chief elected to violate that rulling by charging 5 men open carrying a weapon with disturbing the peace, is headed to the Wisconsin Supreme Court to reenforce the Constitutional rights of citizens in Wisconsin...

Re: Wisconsin Concealed Carry Ban UNCONSTITUTIONAL

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:55 am
by Cap'n Cat
The Cap'n does not agree with concealed carry, but will respect the laws of the land. Interesting how many people across the US are in "well regulated militias". I applaud their enthusiam.


:roll:

Re: Wisconsin Concealed Carry Ban UNCONSTITUTIONAL

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:27 am
by GrizFanStuckInUtah
Cap'n Cat wrote:The Cap'n does not agree with concealed carry, but will respect the laws of the land. Interesting how many people across the US are in "well regulated militias". I applaud their enthusiam.


:roll:
There is a "," in the second amendment. If one needs more clarification, there are these funny little scribbles that were written about the same time called the federalist papers that go to their thinking of the time :nod: :kisswink:

Re: Wisconsin Concealed Carry Ban UNCONSTITUTIONAL

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:30 am
by Cap'n Cat
Hey, I'm just happy so many people are in militias. The patriotism, the pride.

Funny, though, in my circle of friends, I don't know a single concealed carrier. Must hang out with the wrong crowd.

Re: Wisconsin Concealed Carry Ban UNCONSTITUTIONAL

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:35 am
by clenz
Cap'n Cat wrote:Hey, I'm just happy so many people are in militias. The patriotism, the pride.

Funny, though, in my circle of friends, I don't know a single concealed carrier. Must hang out with the wrong crowd.
Apparently I'm not a friend of the Cap.

This must be how the Cap'n sees me

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Re: Wisconsin Concealed Carry Ban UNCONSTITUTIONAL

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:38 am
by Cap'n Cat
clenz wrote:
Cap'n Cat wrote:Hey, I'm just happy so many people are in militias. The patriotism, the pride.

Funny, though, in my circle of friends, I don't know a single concealed carrier. Must hang out with the wrong crowd.
Apparently I'm not a friend of the Cap.

This must be how the Cap'n sees me

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You better NEVER have a gun on you when me and the Kittens are down at UNI. Tell me beforehand so I can tailgate somewhere else, Eastwood.

Re: Wisconsin Concealed Carry Ban UNCONSTITUTIONAL

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:40 am
by GrizFanStuckInUtah
Cap'n Cat wrote:
clenz wrote: Apparently I'm not a friend of the Cap.

This must be how the Cap'n sees me

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You better NEVER have a gun on you when me and the Kittens are down at UNI. Tell me beforehand so I can tailgate somewhere else, Eastwood.
Thing is, if people do it the right way, you would never know they were packin.

Re: Wisconsin Concealed Carry Ban UNCONSTITUTIONAL

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:42 am
by Cap'n Cat
GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:
Cap'n Cat wrote:

You better NEVER have a gun on you when me and the Kittens are down at UNI. Tell me beforehand so I can tailgate somewhere else, Eastwood.
Thing is, if people do it the right way, you would never know they were packin.
If he respects me and my request, he'll let me know beforehand if he's carryin' heat.

Re: Wisconsin Concealed Carry Ban UNCONSTITUTIONAL

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:06 pm
by clenz
GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:
Cap'n Cat wrote:

You better NEVER have a gun on you when me and the Kittens are down at UNI. Tell me beforehand so I can tailgate somewhere else, Eastwood.
Thing is, if people do it the right way, you would never know they were packin.
This.


Also, Cap I would never carry on a college campus.

That and I'm currently gunless. That will be changing in a couple months though

Re: Wisconsin Concealed Carry Ban UNCONSTITUTIONAL

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:11 pm
by Cap'n Cat
clenz wrote:
GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:
Thing is, if people do it the right way, you would never know they were packin.
This.


Also, Cap I would never carry on a college campus.

That and I'm currently gunless. That will be changing in a couple months though
Man, clenz, you take four buckets of anti-psychotic pills a day and YOU want a carry n conceal permit? And, for what?????

Re: Wisconsin Concealed Carry Ban UNCONSTITUTIONAL

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:17 pm
by clenz
I don't take any pills Cap. I'm clean.

I'm going back to school Cap. I'm going into a profession where carrying a gun will become an every day thing for me.

Re: Wisconsin Concealed Carry Ban UNCONSTITUTIONAL

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:20 pm
by Cap'n Cat
clenz wrote:I don't take any pills Cap. I'm clean.

I'm going back to school Cap. I'm going into a profession where carrying a gun will become an every day thing for me.

Sarah Palin bodyguard?


:rofl:

Re: Wisconsin Concealed Carry Ban UNCONSTITUTIONAL

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:25 pm
by clenz
Cap'n Cat wrote:
clenz wrote:I don't take any pills Cap. I'm clean.

I'm going back to school Cap. I'm going into a profession where carrying a gun will become an every day thing for me.

Sarah Palin bodyguard?


:rofl:
If only :rofl:

Re: Wisconsin Concealed Carry Ban UNCONSTITUTIONAL

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:31 pm
by D1B
clenz wrote:
Cap'n Cat wrote:Hey, I'm just happy so many people are in militias. The patriotism, the pride.

Funny, though, in my circle of friends, I don't know a single concealed carrier. Must hang out with the wrong crowd.
Apparently I'm not a friend of the Cap.

This must be how the Cap'n sees me

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Clenz, If I see that gun on you around me, I will call the cops and tell them you pulled it on me as joke and get you arrested. Guaranteed. :nod:

Or I will take it off you and beat you senseless with the butt, in front of your friends and family. :tothehand:

Re: Wisconsin Concealed Carry Ban UNCONSTITUTIONAL

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:33 pm
by clenz
D1B wrote:
clenz wrote: Apparently I'm not a friend of the Cap.

This must be how the Cap'n sees me

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Clenz, If I see that gun on you around me, I will call the cops and tell them you pulled it on me as joke and get you arrested. Guaranteed. :nod:

Or I will take it off you and beat you senseless with the butt, in front of your friends and family. :tothehand:
Who the hell goes around bragging about carrying a gun, other than gangters trying to get street cred?

Re: Wisconsin Concealed Carry Ban UNCONSTITUTIONAL

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:37 pm
by clenz
I'll also add that TBH is going to get her carry permit as well.

In the state of Iowa you need a carry permit to purchase a taser, a purchase permit doesn't allow for that in Iowa.

Re: Wisconsin Concealed Carry Ban UNCONSTITUTIONAL

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:38 pm
by Col Hogan
Cap'n Cat wrote:
clenz wrote: This.


Also, Cap I would never carry on a college campus.

That and I'm currently gunless. That will be changing in a couple months though
Man, clenz, you take four buckets of anti-psychotic pills a day and YOU want a carry n conceal permit? And, for what?????

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Re: Wisconsin Concealed Carry Ban UNCONSTITUTIONAL

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:59 pm
by ALPHAGRIZ1
Cap'n Cat wrote:
You better NEVER have a gun on you when me and the Kittens are down at UNI. Tell me beforehand so I can tailgate somewhere else, Eastwood.
Why would anyone ever tell you they were carrying? That is like one of the first things they teach you in the stupid class they make you take to get a CC. Dont talk about it, dont bring attention to yourself.

Are you being serious???


Or just your usual self?

Re: Wisconsin Concealed Carry Ban UNCONSTITUTIONAL

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 1:01 pm
by D1B
ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:
Cap'n Cat wrote:
You better NEVER have a gun on you when me and the Kittens are down at UNI. Tell me beforehand so I can tailgate somewhere else, Eastwood.
Why would anyone ever tell you they were carrying? That is like one of the first things they teach you in the stupid class they make you take to get a CC. Dont talk about it, dont bring attention to yourself.

Are you being serious???


Or just your usual self?
He just told a bunch of people here, many of whom see him socially during the football season.

*Clenz is a good cat, so is the wife.

Re: Wisconsin Concealed Carry Ban UNCONSTITUTIONAL

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 1:04 pm
by clenz
D1B wrote:
ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:
Why would anyone ever tell you they were carrying? That is like one of the first things they teach you in the stupid class they make you take to get a CC. Dont talk about it, dont bring attention to yourself.

Are you being serious???


Or just your usual self?
He just told a bunch of people here, many of whom see him socially during the football season.

*Clenz is a good cat, so is the wife.
I also said I was gunless at this point in time, sadly.


I would NEVER carry a gun on a college campus anyway, and the shot gun I do have at home is locked up so it's all good.

Re: Wisconsin Concealed Carry Ban UNCONSTITUTIONAL

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 3:59 pm
by Ursus A. Horribilis
Cap'n & D1B, stop being pussies. When you guys were in MT a while back do you seriously think there were no people around you with guns on them? :lol:

PS, I'd highly recommend that you don't try and remove a gun from a few of my friends...you'd hate to be seen as an unwanted attacker. :thumb:

Re: Wisconsin Concealed Carry Ban UNCONSTITUTIONAL

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:12 pm
by ATrain
All I'm going to say is if I didn't have a gun one night at the ATM, I would likely be dead. Instead, I'm alive and well w/o losing a single dime while the criminal continues to be not well.

Re: Wisconsin Concealed Carry Ban UNCONSTITUTIONAL

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:16 pm
by Ursus A. Horribilis
ATrain wrote:All I'm going to say is if I didn't have a gun one night at the ATM, I would likely be dead. Instead, I'm alive and well w/o losing a single dime while the criminal continues to be not well.
Excellent when an innocent feller can have the kind of protection and wherewithal at his disposal to make things come out correctly. :thumb:

Glad you had it and knew what to do with it A Train.

Re: Wisconsin Concealed Carry Ban UNCONSTITUTIONAL

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:34 pm
by D1B
Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:Cap'n & D1B, stop being pussies. When you guys were in MT a while back do you seriously think there were no people around you with guns on them? :lol:

PS, I'd highly recommend that you don't try and remove a gun from a few of my friends...you'd hate to be seen as an unwanted attacker. :thumb:
I'll take my chances, Grizzley Adams. :coffee:

I did see these guns on Grizo and Polson...

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Re: Wisconsin Concealed Carry Ban UNCONSTITUTIONAL

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:47 pm
by D1B
Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:
ATrain wrote:All I'm going to say is if I didn't have a gun one night at the ATM, I would likely be dead. Instead, I'm alive and well w/o losing a single dime while the criminal continues to be not well.
Excellent when an innocent feller can have the kind of protection and wherewithal at his disposal to make things come out correctly. :thumb:

Glad you had it and knew what to do with it A Train.
Ursus, if you were the one deciding who does and does not get to CC, then I don't have a problem.

Funny, some of you conks don't trust the goverment to collect garbage but have complete faith that they can decide who can carry hand canons, into bars and at tailgaters. :whistle: