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Water.

We use it like it's, well, water. It's getting more and more scarce as breeders like 89Hen ( ) and gazillions of Asians overpopulate the continents. Less and less of it is clean and useful and, right now, in the United States, it's cheap as fvck for most people and institutions. Some say it is a renewable resource and, well, yes, it is, technically, but ever less so at current and future projected use levels.

We gotta conserve and protect it. Much as we don't like taxes, I believe the only way to get people to do that is to tax it. Face it, as with our diets, no one is going to change unless they're pushed to do so. I'm all for municipalities and utilities driving up rates. We haven't learned the lesson.

It's been said here before, but future wars will be fought over water, not oil or anything else. There are already people dying, not only for lack of water, but for lack of access to clean water.

Discuss.

You're all wet.

Cap'n Cat wrote: We gotta conserve and protect it. Much as we don't like taxes, I believe the only way to get people to do that is to tax it. Face it, as with our diets, no one is going to change unless they're pushed to do so. I'm all for municipalities and utilities driving up rates. We haven't learned the lesson.

Okay, so, "as with our diets, no one is going to change unless pushed to do so"...

So you DON'T want people to drink water? Wouldn't that be the optimal thing to drink to reduce obesity in this country? If you tax water usage, parents are just gonna buy 2-liters of soda and sugar filled juices for their kids, and adults are gonna drink more booze and soda.

Just looking for more things to tax so Obamacare doesn't bankrupt us. Got it.

JoltinJoe wrote:You're all wet.

I like your dry sense of humor...

ToTheLeft wrote:

Cap'n Cat wrote: We gotta conserve and protect it. Much as we don't like taxes, I believe the only way to get people to do that is to tax it. Face it, as with our diets, no one is going to change unless they're pushed to do so. I'm all for municipalities and utilities driving up rates. We haven't learned the lesson.

Okay, so, "as with our diets, no one is going to change unless pushed to do so"...

So you DON'T want people to drink water? Wouldn't that be the optimal thing to drink to reduce obesity in this country? If you tax water usage, parents are just gonna buy 2-liters of soda and sugar filled juices for their kids, and adults are gonna drink more booze and soda.

Just looking for more things to tax so Obamacare doesn't bankrupt us. Got it.

The VAST majority of water usage is not used for consumption, but for other uses.
Besides, people already vastly overpay for bottled water anyway (when they can get the same damn thing from the tap for pennies)

Was just reading about the 10 cities that are running out of water the fatest. No real shockers... LA, Vegas, Phoenix, San Antonio... I honestly am amazed that our water quality is as good as it is in most cities.

ToTheLeft wrote:

Cap'n Cat wrote: We gotta conserve and protect it. Much as we don't like taxes, I believe the only way to get people to do that is to tax it. Face it, as with our diets, no one is going to change unless they're pushed to do so. I'm all for municipalities and utilities driving up rates. We haven't learned the lesson.

Okay, so, "as with our diets, no one is going to change unless pushed to do so"...

So you DON'T want people to drink water? Wouldn't that be the optimal thing to drink to reduce obesity in this country? If you tax water usage, parents are just gonna buy 2-liters of soda and sugar filled juices for their kids, and adults are gonna drink more booze and soda.

Just looking for more things to tax so Obamacare doesn't bankrupt us. Got it.

God, who let's these kids on the board?

Admin? Please?

Cap'n Cat wrote:

ToTheLeft wrote:
Okay, so, "as with our diets, no one is going to change unless pushed to do so"...

So you DON'T want people to drink water? Wouldn't that be the optimal thing to drink to reduce obesity in this country? If you tax water usage, parents are just gonna buy 2-liters of soda and sugar filled juices for their kids, and adults are gonna drink more booze and soda.

Just looking for more things to tax so Obamacare doesn't bankrupt us. Got it.

God, who let's these kids on the board?

Admin? Please?

Same person who let old folks who aren't taking their meds on a regular enough basis on the board.

JayJ79 wrote:

ToTheLeft wrote:
Okay, so, "as with our diets, no one is going to change unless pushed to do so"...

So you DON'T want people to drink water? Wouldn't that be the optimal thing to drink to reduce obesity in this country? If you tax water usage, parents are just gonna buy 2-liters of soda and sugar filled juices for their kids, and adults are gonna drink more booze and soda.

Just looking for more things to tax so Obamacare doesn't bankrupt us. Got it.

The VAST majority of water usage is not used for consumption, but for other uses.
Besides, people already vastly overpay for bottled water anyway (when they can get the same damn thing from the tap for pennies)

I guess I missed why diet needed to be mentioned then. I suppose it was just a bit of confusion for me. Oh well.

Still, more taxes on anything at this point is stupid. The point still stands, have to make up for Obamacare somehow...

89Hen wrote:Was just reading about the 10 cities that are running out of water the fatest. No real shockers... LA, Vegas, Phoenix, San Antonio... I honestly am amazed that our water quality is as good as it is in most cities.

It maybe "OK", but I believe the quality is declining and has declined over the decades. The infrastructure to transport water is decaying, too. Saw on a d'mentary how NYC loses 50% or so of its water before it gets there due to leaks in that Delaware Aqueduct (or whatever it's called.) Upgrades to infrastructure will be expensive.

Regardless, we use water too profligately and the don't tread on me fvcks in our country will not conserve unless compelled to by increased taxation of the commodity.

ToTheLeft wrote:

JayJ79 wrote:
The VAST majority of water usage is not used for consumption, but for other uses.
Besides, people already vastly overpay for bottled water anyway (when they can get the same damn thing from the tap for pennies)

I guess I missed why diet needed to be mentioned then. I suppose it was just a bit of confusion for me. Oh well.

Still, more taxes on anything at this point is stupid. The point still stands, have to make up for Obamacare somehow...

I'd explain it to ya, son, but ya still wouldn't get it. Think on it for a while.

ToTheLeft wrote:So you DON'T want people to drink water? Wouldn't that be the optimal thing to drink to reduce obesity in this country? If you tax water usage, parents are just gonna buy 2-liters of soda and sugar filled juices for their kids, and adults are gonna drink more booze and soda.

Just looking for more things to tax so Obamacare doesn't bankrupt us. Got it.

What exactly do you think soda, the sugar filled juices and booze uses to make them?

andy7171 wrote:

ToTheLeft wrote:So you DON'T want people to drink water? Wouldn't that be the optimal thing to drink to reduce obesity in this country? If you tax water usage, parents are just gonna buy 2-liters of soda and sugar filled juices for their kids, and adults are gonna drink more booze and soda.

Just looking for more things to tax so Obamacare doesn't bankrupt us. Got it.

What exactly do you think soda, the sugar filled juices and booze uses to make them?

Andy,
His Conk dad was looking over his shoulder telling him what to type.

andy7171 wrote:

ToTheLeft wrote:So you DON'T want people to drink water? Wouldn't that be the optimal thing to drink to reduce obesity in this country? If you tax water usage, parents are just gonna buy 2-liters of soda and sugar filled juices for their kids, and adults are gonna drink more booze and soda.

Just looking for more things to tax so Obamacare doesn't bankrupt us. Got it.

What exactly do you think soda, the sugar filled juices and booze uses to make them?

I know, I just didn't get the point by mentioning diet, but I guess it's another donk talking point and not actually pertinent to the conversation. My mistake.

And Cap'n... my dad knows nothing about politics, and I'm not a conk. Thanks tho.

ToTheLeft wrote:

andy7171 wrote: What exactly do you think soda, the sugar filled juices and booze uses to make them?

I know, I just didn't get the point by mentioning diet, but I guess it's another donk talking point and not actually pertinent to the conversation. My mistake.

And Cap'n... my dad knows nothing about politics, and I'm not a conk. Thanks tho.

Like your sig, anyway.......

"Those who forget the pasta are doomed to reheat it."

As long as we let golf courses have all the water they want, I'm OK.

89Hen wrote:As long as we let golf courses have all the water they want, I'm OK.

Biggest waste of space ever.

grizzaholic wrote:

89Hen wrote:As long as we let golf courses have all the water they want, I'm OK.

Biggest waste of space ever.

Right next to all that free federal grazing land we lay at the feet of those wolfophobic ranchers out West!

Cap'n Cat wrote:

grizzaholic wrote:
Biggest waste of space ever.

Right next to all that free federal grazing land we lay at the feet of those wolfophobic ranchers out West!

And please tell me again how much water is pumped into those "federal Grazing Lands" that you speak of????

Still talking out of your ass.


But I will leave so you can act all big and whatnot and toss out a bunch of put downs and maybe some swearing so you act like you won...when in all actuality you just yelled louder.

Congrats

The biggest waste of water is giant cities in Arizona, California (parts of), Nevada, New Mexico, etc... using as much water as they do.

Cap'n Cat wrote:
It's been said here before, but future wars will be fought over water, not oil or anything else. There are already people dying, not only for lack of water, but for lack of access to clean water.

Discuss.

Better water management would go a long way to improving the situation. Look at the state of Delaware as a prime example. Drought conditions for much of the late 90's brought to the forefront that they hadn't built a new reservoir in over 50 years, yet the population had exploded in the same area in the same timeframe. What a shocker that they were short on water when rainfalls slackened for a few years. And of course, once it started raining more (and they haven't had drought conditions there for the past 10 years) no one's done a thing to, you know, increase reservoir capacity.

Anyway, the real answer to water issues is to improve the ability to desalinate sea water - there's plenty of that. RO machines are more than capable of making enough drinking water for 100x the population currently on the Earth, we just need the power to run them. Ion exchange has been around for decades and that can and does clean up water today. And there's plenty of research going on in less energy-consuming ways to desalinate water. And the good thing is that a lot of these industries are American-based. Don't worry about taxing the stuff, that's just artificial. When people need water, we're going to have more than enough ideas on how to tap the ocean to get what we need.

grizzaholic wrote:

Cap'n Cat wrote:

Right next to all that free federal grazing land we lay at the feet of those wolfophobic ranchers out West!

And please tell me again how much water is pumped into those "federal Grazing Lands" that you speak of????

Still talking out of your ass.


But I will leave so you can act all big and whatnot and toss out a bunch of put downs and maybe some swearing so you act like you won...when in all actuality you just yelled louder.

Congrats

Poor grizzaholic. Shoulder chip still hanging on..............

grizzaholic wrote:

89Hen wrote:As long as we let golf courses have all the water they want, I'm OK.

Biggest waste of space ever.

Space? Perhaps. But lawns are a far bigger waste of water.

GannonFan wrote: Better water management would go a long way to improving the situation. Look at the state of Delaware as a prime example. Drought conditions for much of the late 90's brought to the forefront that they hadn't built a new reservoir in over 50 years, yet the population had exploded in the same area in the same timeframe. What a shocker that they were short on water when rainfalls slackened for a few years. And of course, once it started raining more (and they haven't had drought conditions there for the past 10 years) no one's done a thing to, you know, increase reservoir capacity.

Anyway, the real answer to water issues is to improve the ability to desalinate sea water - there's plenty of that. RO machines are more than capable of making enough drinking water for 100x the population currently on the Earth, we just need the power to run them. Ion exchange has been around for decades and that can and does clean up water today. And there's plenty of research going on in less energy-consuming ways to desalinate water. And the good thing is that a lot of these industries are American-based. Don't worry about taxing the stuff, that's just artificial. When people need water, we're going to have more than enough ideas on how to tap the ocean to get what we need.

Yup. As always, improvements in technology will keep the growing population form overwhelming any one natural resource, and those predicting malthusian catastrophes will once again be wrong.

GannonFan wrote:Better water management would go a long way to improving the situation. Look at the state of Delaware as a prime example. Drought conditions for much of the late 90's brought to the forefront that they hadn't built a new reservoir in over 50 years, yet the population had exploded in the same area in the same timeframe. What a shocker that they were short on water when rainfalls slackened for a few years. And of course, once it started raining more (and they haven't had drought conditions there for the past 10 years) no one's done a thing to, you know, increase reservoir capacity.

Gannonfan, Newark just built a reservoir 4 years ago. Hike up to the top and you get one of the best views in Delaware.

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http://www.cityofnewarkde.us/index.aspx?NID=430" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Skip the first 44 seconds (dback must have been filming some geese) and you get to a poor man's version of the view. Most of the rest is forgetable...except the part where some troll appears at the 3 minute mark. Scary.