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Profiling: We Should Maybe Try It....

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:53 am
by AZGrizFan
Just another bomb-plotting jihadist yelling “Allahu akbar!”
by Michelle Malkin on Saturday, November 27, 2010 at 7:07am

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Mohamed O. Mohamud

Ho-hum.

If it’s Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, or Sunday, it’s just another day in the life of a true believer in violent jihad.

Yes: Violent jihad. Two words the current occupant of the White House won’t say together and about which he remains in stubborn denial.

Violent jihad. A fundamental tenet of legions and legions of Muslims worldwide — and untold numbers of homegrown and immigrant practitioners of the Religion of Perpetual Outrage here on American soil.

I’ll get to the Portland Christmas Day lighting bomb plotter in a moment.

But first: How many times over the years have we said “It’s the jihad, stupid” as p.c.-addled reality-deniers insist the violent jihadists come from a “broad strata” of society? Too many to count. Flashback:

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The “broad strata” of 9/11 jihadists.
Photoshop: David Lunde
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Lackawanna 6

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The paintball jihad sheikh

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The Tar Heel terrorist

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Convicted Lodi jihadi Hamid Hayat

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Convicted NYC bomb plotter Shahawar Matin Siraj

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James Ujaama, pleaded guilty to a charge of conspiracy to provide goods and services to the Taliban in April 2003

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11 Gitmo recidivists on Saudi most wanted list

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Nidal Hasan, Soldier for Allah and Fort Hood massacre jihadist

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Najibullah Zazi, pleaded guilty to terrorism charges related to his railway bombing plot hatched in Colorado and NYC in February

So now, this:

Undercover agents in a sting operation arrested a Somali-born teenager just as he tried blowing up a van full of what he believed were explosives at a crowded Christmas tree lighting ceremony in Portland, federal authorities said.

The bomb was a fake supplied by the agents and the public was never in danger, authorities said.

Mohamed Osman Mohamud, 19, was arrested at 5:40 p.m. Friday just after he dialed a cell phone that he thought would set off the blast but instead brought federal agents and police swooping down on him.

Yelling “Allahu Akbar!” — Arabic for “God is great!” — Mohamud tried to kick agents and police after he was taken into custody, according to prosecutors.

“The threat was very real,” said Arthur Balizan, special agent in charge of the FBI in Oregon. “Our investigation shows that Mohamud was absolutely committed to carrying out an attack on a very grand scale.”

You may recall that loony Portland officials several years ago threatened to pull out of the Joint Terrorism Task Force under the Bush administration and refused to cooperate with federal efforts to conduct voluntary interviews of of local Muslims in order to uncover terrorist plots.

You may also recall the Portland 7, black Muslim converts convicted in a conspiracy to wage war against the United States, provide material support and resources to Al Qaeda and contribute services to Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

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The latest Portland arrest follows the Times Square bombing plot attempted by Muslim jihadist Faisal Shazhad in May…

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The arrest of Farooque Ahmed in October in the D.C. Metro subway bombing plot:

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And the arrest a year ago of Jordanian Hosam Smadi in a Dallas skyscraper bombing plot:

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Another official commented on the Portland jihadist:

“This defendant’s chilling determination is a stark reminder that there are people — even here in Oregon — who are determined to kill Americans,” said Oregon U.S. Attorney Dwight Holton.

We’re not the ones who need “stark reminders” about bomb-wielding nuts named “Mohamed” plotting to kill infidels in the name of Allah.
We're more concerned about offending someone's delicate sensibilities than saving lives. Personally, I wish we did everything we do now, AND that every raghead getting onto an airplane had to be strip searched.

Re: Profiling: We Should Maybe Try It....

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:04 am
by kalm
Including these guys?

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How about this angry muslim looking Indonesian?

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In all seriousness, I'm quite sure that profiling is being used by all law enforcement agencies, and probably contributed to this guy's arrest. It's simply part of good investigative work IMO. But there is a slippery constitutional slope to this stuff and here's a good example:
These days, Mayfield lives much as he has for the past decade or so, practicing family law from a small solo office next to a strip mall on the southern edge of Portland. He is a slight man, 41 years old, who likes to take his lunch at a nearby Middle Eastern restaurant. In many ways, what's most interesting about Mayfield is how utterly unexceptional he is. He was born in Kansas and got his law degree from Washburn University in Topeka. An Army veteran, he is married, with three children, and lives with his family in a nearby suburb with the homey name of Aloha.

Almost the only vaguely exotic thing about Brandon Mayfield is his religion: He is a Muslim convert and belongs to a local mosque. But like Alexis de Tocqueville, the 19th-century French writer whom he likes to quote and who helped define the American spirit, Mayfield worries that in a democratic system, the tendency of government will be to augment its power at the expense of minorities. “I’m suspicious of government anyway,” he said in an interview last week. And it's not hard to conclude that Mayfield's one deviation from the norm, the thing that makes him a minority, explains why, for a few weeks in 2004, he was one of the most famous people in the world.

On May 6, 2004, FBI agents descended on his law office, his home, and the family farm in Kansas to search for evidence that Mayfield was a terror mastermind. Media leaks let it be known that he was responsible for the Madrid train bombings of March 2004, which killed 191 people. The evidence was said to be a fingerprint found on a plastic bag of detonators at the scene. Federal agents threw Mayfield into the Portland city lockup not as a defendant but as a "material witness."

But not only had Mayfield been far from Madrid at the time of the bombing, he hadn't even left the United States since 1994. The FBI, however, insisted that his Army fingerprint matched a digital photo of the print from the Madrid bag. The Spanish police, who had the original fingerprint, were never convinced that Mayfield's was a match. But that didn't stop the FBI from swearing to a judge that it was.

The case collapsed when, after Mayfield had been held for two weeks, the Spanish police identified an Algerian, Ouhnane Daoud, as the real holder of the fingerprint. The feds released Mayfield.

Then the payback began. Gerry Spence, the Jeremiah Johnson of America law, ambled down from the Wyoming mountains to represent Mayfield in a civil-rights lawsuit against the government. The FBI apologized and gave him a $2 million settlement. Mayfield agreed to waive all his personal claims against the government and specific agents; but he insisted on retaining one claim: that two provisions of the Patriot Act were unconstitutional on their face.
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Re: Profiling: We Should Maybe Try It....

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:09 am
by AZGrizFan
I'll let the FBI hold me for two weeks for $2 million.

Re: Profiling: We Should Maybe Try It....

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:13 pm
by native
kalm wrote:Including these guys?

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How about this angry muslim looking Indonesian?

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In all seriousness, I'm quite sure that profiling is being used by all law enforcement agencies, and probably contributed to this guy's arrest. It's simply part of good investigative work IMO. But there is a slippery constitutional slope to this stuff and here's a good example:
These days, Mayfield lives much as he has for the past decade or so, practicing family law from a small solo office next to a strip mall on the southern edge of Portland. He is a slight man, 41 years old, who likes to take his lunch at a nearby Middle Eastern restaurant. In many ways, what's most interesting about Mayfield is how utterly unexceptional he is. He was born in Kansas and got his law degree from Washburn University in Topeka. An Army veteran, he is married, with three children, and lives with his family in a nearby suburb with the homey name of Aloha.

Almost the only vaguely exotic thing about Brandon Mayfield is his religion: He is a Muslim convert and belongs to a local mosque. But like Alexis de Tocqueville, the 19th-century French writer whom he likes to quote and who helped define the American spirit, Mayfield worries that in a democratic system, the tendency of government will be to augment its power at the expense of minorities. “I’m suspicious of government anyway,” he said in an interview last week. And it's not hard to conclude that Mayfield's one deviation from the norm, the thing that makes him a minority, explains why, for a few weeks in 2004, he was one of the most famous people in the world.

On May 6, 2004, FBI agents descended on his law office, his home, and the family farm in Kansas to search for evidence that Mayfield was a terror mastermind. Media leaks let it be known that he was responsible for the Madrid train bombings of March 2004, which killed 191 people. The evidence was said to be a fingerprint found on a plastic bag of detonators at the scene. Federal agents threw Mayfield into the Portland city lockup not as a defendant but as a "material witness."

But not only had Mayfield been far from Madrid at the time of the bombing, he hadn't even left the United States since 1994. The FBI, however, insisted that his Army fingerprint matched a digital photo of the print from the Madrid bag. The Spanish police, who had the original fingerprint, were never convinced that Mayfield's was a match. But that didn't stop the FBI from swearing to a judge that it was.

The case collapsed when, after Mayfield had been held for two weeks, the Spanish police identified an Algerian, Ouhnane Daoud, as the real holder of the fingerprint. The feds released Mayfield.

Then the payback began. Gerry Spence, the Jeremiah Johnson of America law, ambled down from the Wyoming mountains to represent Mayfield in a civil-rights lawsuit against the government. The FBI apologized and gave him a $2 million settlement. Mayfield agreed to waive all his personal claims against the government and specific agents; but he insisted on retaining one claim: that two provisions of the Patriot Act were unconstitutional on their face.
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Do not confuse profiling with incompetence. Successful profiling is based primarily upon behavior, not superficial apprearances. We need to immediately implement a profiling program executed by competent professionals.

Re: Profiling: We Should Maybe Try It....

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:25 pm
by Skjellyfetti
native wrote:
Do not confuse profiling with incompetence. Successful is based primarily upon behavior, not superficial apprearances. We need to immediately implement a profiing program executed by comeptent professionals.
Damn. I agree with this. :shock: :thumb:

Re: Profiling: We Should Maybe Try It....

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:35 pm
by AZGrizFan
Skjellyfetti wrote:
native wrote:
Do not confuse profiling with incompetence. Successful is based primarily upon behavior, not superficial apprearances. We need to immediately implement a profiing program executed by comeptent professionals.
Damn. I agree with this. :shock: :thumb:
Good for you. That's the first sign in a LONG time that you might be growing up. 8-) 8-) 8-)

Re: Profiling: We Should Maybe Try It....

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:01 pm
by Ivytalk
kalm wrote:Including these guys?

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Kalm, now that's just Sikh! :mrgreen:

Re: Profiling: We Should Maybe Try It....

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:19 pm
by kalm
Ivytalk wrote:
kalm wrote:Including these guys?

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Kalm, now that's just Sikh! :mrgreen:
:mrgreen:

Re: Profiling: We Should Maybe Try It....

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:37 pm
by Skjellyfetti
AZGrizFan wrote: Good for you. That's the first sign in a LONG time that you might be growing up. 8-) 8-) 8-)
I truly hope that is not the case. :x
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Re: Profiling: We Should Maybe Try It....

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 7:06 pm
by 93henfan
You guys do realize this guy was under surveillance and that he tried to detonate fake explosives supplied to him by the FBI, no? I'd say Uncle Sam got this one right.

Re: Profiling: We Should Maybe Try It....

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 7:38 pm
by CID1990
But.... but.... but.... Al Qaeda is also recruiting white European women!

Re: Profiling: We Should Maybe Try It....

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:10 pm
by AZGrizFan
93henfan wrote:You guys do realize this guy was under surveillance and that he tried to detonate fake explosives supplied to him by the FBI, no? I'd say Uncle Sam got this one right.
Yes, we understand that. :ugeek:

Re: Profiling: We Should Maybe Try It....

Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:28 am
by BlueHen86
Skjellyfetti wrote:
native wrote:
Do not confuse profiling with incompetence. Successful is based primarily upon behavior, not superficial apprearances. We need to immediately implement a profiing program executed by comeptent professionals.
Damn. I agree with this. :shock: :thumb:
Me too. :thumb:

Re: Profiling: We Should Maybe Try It....

Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:29 pm
by Chemhen
BlueHen86 wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote:
Damn. I agree with this. :shock: :thumb:
Me too. :thumb:
Wow...uh...me too?

This feels wrong...

Re: Profiling: We Should Maybe Try It....

Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:21 am
by andy7171
It is a peaceful religion.

Re: Profiling: We Should Maybe Try It....

Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:34 am
by D1B
AZGrizFan wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote:
Damn. I agree with this. :shock: :thumb:
Good for you. That's the first sign in a LONG time that you might be growing up. 8-) 8-) 8-)
Yeah, maybe he'll become an intellectually lazy, scared and paranoid, violent racist like you. :thumb:

Re: Profiling: We Should Maybe Try It....

Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:46 am
by AZGrizFan
D1B wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Good for you. That's the first sign in a LONG time that you might be growing up. 8-) 8-) 8-)
Yeah, maybe he'll become an intellectually lazy, scared and paranoid, violent racist like you. :thumb:
Hey, just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't watching me. :shock: :shock: :shock:

Re: Profiling: We Should Maybe Try It....

Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:52 am
by D1B
AZGrizFan wrote:
D1B wrote:
Yeah, maybe he'll become an intellectually lazy, scared and paranoid, violent racist like you. :thumb:
Hey, just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't watching me. :shock: :shock: :shock:
Im so paranoid I think the guy driving in front of me is following me.....the long way..... :rofl:

Re: Profiling: We Should Maybe Try It....

Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:54 am
by AZGrizFan
D1B wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Hey, just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't watching me. :shock: :shock: :shock:
Im so paranoid I think the guy driving in front of me is following me.....the long way..... :rofl:
Exactly. He's got eyes in the back of his head. And he's watching YOU. :? :? :?