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Finishing up The Nixon Presidency: An Oral History of the Era, by Deborah and Gerald Strober.



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The authors interviewed dozens and dozens of people who were at ground zero for all of Nixon's successes and failures - China, Watergate, Vietnam, etc, etc, etc, and they don't fail to deliver. Ehrlichman, Kleindeinst, Liddy, Haldeman, Dean, Mitchell, Ziegler, Cox, Kissinger, McGovern, Haig, etc.

On some points you really admire Nixon for what he did and wanted to do. I'm left with the impression that he was a much more Progressive president than history has painted him. He was so heavily weighed down with Watergate that his foreign and domestic agendas, which were forward-looking and substantial, were all thwarted, to the detriment of the U.S. and the world. Had he come clean and not tried to cover it all up, many of the contributors contend, his presidency may have prevailed.

Kissinger comes out looking like an asshole in this, too.


Anyway, recommended reading - can't put it down.

I knew Alex P. Keaton was right all along. Nixon did quite few good things. Thanks for the reference Cappy. Btw, I highly recommend Hunter S. Thompson's "Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail" and the movie Frost Nixon for anyone interested in that era.

Cap'n Cat wrote:Whatcha reading these days?

Finishing up The Nixon Presidency: An Oral History of the Era, by Deborah and Gerald Strober.

On some points you really admire Nixon for what he did and wanted to do. I'm left with the impression that he was a much more Progressive president than history has painted him. He was so heavily weighed down with Watergate that his foreign and domestic agendas, which were forward-looking and substantial, were all thwarted, to the detriment of the U.S. and the world. Had he come clean and not tried to cover it all up, many of the contributors contend, his presidency may have prevailed.Kissinger comes out looking like an asshole in this, too.

No offese Clapton Cat, but aint this generally accepted by most poli historians?

Cap'n Cat wrote:Whatcha reading these days?

Finishing up The CLINTON Presidency: An Oral History of the Era...

FIFY

Just finished Operation Mincemeat, a true story of the biggest deception of the Nazis (by the Brits) in WWII. Now I'm starting Scorpions, about the SCOTUS in the FDR era.

Yes, of course Nixon was a "Progressive."

Even though he did the best job possible upon inheriting Vietnam and is fondly remembered and stoutly defended by the POWs for his bombing initiatives, Nixon also made lots of typically big government "progressive" mistakes, including the establishment of price controls in 1973 and the establishment of an over-reaching Environmental Protection Agency.

Just picked up his next-to-last book (and the last one published while he was still alive), Seize the Moment (1992), which should provide an interesting retrospective on our successes and failures as the momentary lone superpower.

Cap'n Cat wrote:Whatcha reading these days?

Finishing up The Nixon Presidency: An Oral History of the Era, by Deborah and Gerald Strober.



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The authors interviewed dozens and dozens of people who were at ground zero for all of Nixon's successes and failures - China, Watergate, Vietnam, etc, etc, etc, and they don't fail to deliver. Ehrlichman, Kleindeinst, Liddy, Haldeman, Dean, Mitchell, Ziegler, Cox, Kissinger, McGovern, Haig, etc.

On some points you really admire Nixon for what he did and wanted to do. I'm left with the impression that he was a much more Progressive president than history has painted him. He was so heavily weighed down with Watergate that his foreign and domestic agendas, which were forward-looking and substantial, were all thwarted, to the detriment of the U.S. and the world. Had he come clean and not tried to cover it all up, many of the contributors contend, his presidency may have prevailed.

Kissinger comes out looking like an ******* in this, too.


Anyway, recommended reading - can't put it down.

Yes, as a student of the Nixon presidency, I would agree. He was a lot more progressive in his actions then most give him credit for. Probably the most forward-thinking president of the 20th Cent.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

Are you receiving academic credit for reading that POS?

Ivytalk wrote:

Skjellyfetti wrote:

Are you receiving academic credit for reading that POS?

Finished reading Naill Ferguson's War of the World. It's about the wars during the 20th Century - WW1, WW2 and WW3 (The Cold War). I really liked it. He has the uncanny ability to paint the broad picture of what was happening, yet providing plenty of specific details. He's a good writer for a historian.

Ivytalk wrote:
Are you receiving academic credit for reading that POS?

It's relevant to my interests? You might think it sounds boring. That's fine. I don't think I could make it through a book on SCOTUS during the FDR era.... that sounds pretty boring to me. But, to each his own.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

Ivytalk wrote:
Are you receiving academic credit for reading that POS?

It's relevant to my interests? You might think it sounds boring. That's fine. I don't think I could make it through a book on SCOTUS during the FDR era.... that sounds pretty boring to me. But, to each his own.

A perfect encapsulation of how American academia has gone off the rails with irrelevant curricula.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

Ivytalk wrote:
Are you receiving academic credit for reading that POS?

It's relevant to my interests? You might think it sounds boring. That's fine. I don't think I could make it through a book on SCOTUS during the FDR era.... that sounds pretty boring to me. But, to each his own.

Mexican Books of Fate? AYFKM? You must be the life of the party at your frat!

native wrote:

Skjellyfetti wrote:


It's relevant to my interests? You might think it sounds boring. That's fine. I don't think I could make it through a book on SCOTUS during the FDR era.... that sounds pretty boring to me. But, to each his own.

A perfect encapsulation of how American academia has gone off the rails with irrelevant curricula.

Native knows what's relevant!

No shock here, Dick worshipers are still the same old Dick worshipers.

The May 22, 1968 sinking of the American nuclear-powered attack submarine Scorpion, 450 miles Southwest of the Azores Islands, is one of the most perplexing mysteries of the Cold War. The focus of the largest search operation in American naval history, the Scorpion's wreck wasn't discovered until October, 1968, laying on it's side in 11,000 feet of water. The hull was torn into three sections, the fairwater had been torn off, and the stern was shoved 50 feet forward into the auxiliary machinery space. All of the compartments except for the torpedo room had suffered massive implosion damage, implying that it alone had flooded before Scorpion exceeded crush depth.

AZGrizFan wrote:

The May 22, 1968 sinking of the American nuclear-powered attack submarine Scorpion, 450 miles Southwest of the Azores Islands, is one of the most perplexing mysteries of the Cold War. The focus of the largest search operation in American naval history, the Scorpion's wreck wasn't discovered until October, 1968, laying on it's side in 11,000 feet of water. The hull was torn into three sections, the fairwater had been torn off, and the stern was shoved 50 feet forward into the auxiliary machinery space. All of the compartments except for the torpedo room had suffered massive implosion damage, implying that it alone had flooded before Scorpion exceeded crush depth.

I love this type of stuff. Is it any good Z?

Ivytalk wrote: Mexican Books of Fate? AYFKM? You must be the life of the party at your frat!

Do you discuss the 1930's and 1940's Supreme Court at parties? I'm gonna assume that you don't.

But you're reading a book about it!! That must mean you're really boring at parties!!!

Wait, what.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

Ivytalk wrote: Mexican Books of Fate? AYFKM? You must be the life of the party at your frat!

Do you discuss the 1930's and 1940's Supreme Court at parties? I'm gonna assume that you don't.

But you're reading a book about it!! That must mean you're really boring at parties!!!

Wait, what.

Actually, I do discuss the SCOTUS with other intelligent people at cocktail parties from time to time. It has a bit more staying power as a conversational topic than Mexican Books of Fate.

But, hey, at least you're reading something!

Ivytalk wrote:

Skjellyfetti wrote:
Do you discuss the 1930's and 1940's Supreme Court at parties? I'm gonna assume that you don't.

But you're reading a book about it!! That must mean you're really boring at parties!!!

Wait, what.

Actually, I do discuss the SCOTUS with other intelligent people at cocktail parties from time to time. It has a bit more staying power as a conversational topic than Mexican Books of Fate.

But, hey, at least you're reading something!

Good gawd remind me never to attend one of your 'cocktail' parties!

Skjellyfetti wrote:

How many illegals will enter OUR country in the time it takes for you to read that book?

3-4 million?

bandl wrote:

Ivytalk wrote:
Actually, I do discuss the SCOTUS with other intelligent people at cocktail parties from time to time. It has a bit more staying power as a conversational topic than Mexican Books of Fate.

But, hey, at least you're reading something!

Good gawd remind me never to attend one of your 'cocktail' parties!

bandl, you disappoint me! We serve only the finest wines and spirits, and beautiful women abound!

Ivytalk wrote:

bandl wrote: Good gawd remind me never to attend one of your 'cocktail' parties!

bandl, you disappoint me! We serve only the finest wines and spirits, and beautiful women abound!

Yeah, but I like to enjoy myself at a party...which means not talking about religion or politics!

bandl wrote:

Ivytalk wrote:
bandl, you disappoint me! We serve only the finest wines and spirits, and beautiful women abound!

Yeah, but I like to enjoy myself at a party...which means not talking about religion or politics!

Aren't good booze and hot chicks good enough for you?