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Oil's surge in 2010 paves the way for $4 gasoline

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 1:17 pm
by clenz
Price of oil rises 30 percent in 2010; gasoline prices could hit $4 a gallon in 2011
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Chris Kahn, AP Energy Writer, On Friday December 31, 2010, 10:03 pm EST

NEW YORK (AP) -- The price of oil is poised for another run at $100 a barrel after a global economic rebound sent it surging 34 percent since May. That could push gasoline prices to $4 a gallon by summer in some parts of the country, experts say.

Flying, shipping a package and ordering a pizza all likely would get more expensive in the new year if that happens and companies pass along higher energy costs. Some economists say rising energy prices will slow economic growth.

The U.S. is the world's largest oil consumer, but prices since spring have been on a roll primarily because of rising demand in developing countries, especially China. China's oil consumption is expected to rise 5 percent next year; that compares with less than 1 percent growth forecast for the U.S.

Benchmark oil for February delivery rose $1.54 on Friday to end the year at $91.38 per barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange. It reached $92.06 earlier in the day, the highest since Oct. 6, 2008. Nationwide gasoline pump prices now average $3.072 per gallon.

Gasoline expert Fred Rozell predicts that 15 states -- including Alaska, Hawaii, Connecticut and Rhode Island -- will see gasoline prices top $4 a gallon by Memorial Day. "A dollar more per gallon isn't that much -- probably about $750 more per year for each motorist, but there's a psychological aspect to gas prices," he said. "People are going to be up in arms about this."

Higher oil prices have fattened oil company profits. Excluding BP PLC, the four other major investor-owned oil companies posted combined profits of $59.7 billion in the first nine months of the year, a 49 percent increase from the year before. Exxon Mobil Corp., Royal Dutch Shell, Chevron Corp. and Total SA are expected to earn $81 billion for the full year.

The fifth oil giant, BP, was held responsible for the largest offshore oil spill in U.S. history and booked $39.9 billion in charges related to the disaster. Excluding special expenses like the Gulf of Mexico spill, analysts say the company will still earn $20.2 billion in 2010.

"There's nothing this industry can't survive," Oppenheimer & Co. analyst Fadel Gheit said.

The price of energy and other commodities shifted into high gear in late August when Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke signaled that the central bank was prepared to

stimulate the economy by buying government bonds. The $600 billion program didn't start until November, but speculators had already starting bidding up the value of asset classes like oil.

A further oil price spurt came in late November as it became clear that Congress was likely to extend for two more years tax cuts set to expire at the end of the year.

The Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries is capable of raising output, if it needs to, by more than five million barrels per day. Still, Morgan Stanley estimates that the rising energy needs of China and other emerging economies will consume about half of that amount over the next two years. That could create supply pressures similar to those that preceded the price spike of 2008, when oil soared to $147 a barrel.

John Hofmeister, former president of Shell Oil and author of "Why We Hate The Oil Companies," predicts Americans will pay $5 per gallon for gasoline by 2012. Other experts say that's a long shot.

"That means oil close to $200" per barrel, analyst and trader Stephen Schork said. "We can see it, but we could also see a global depression, too."

In other Nymex trading Friday, natural gas for February delivery rose 6.7 cents to settle at $4.405 per 1,000 cubic feet. Unlike oil, natural gas prices are less than half where they were in 2008. That's due largely to the technological advances that allowed energy companies to unlock huge deposits in underground shale formations in the U.S.

Heating oil for January delivery rose 5.83 cents to settle at $2.5437 per gallon and gasoline for January delivery added 6.14 cents to settle at $2.4532 per gallon. In London, Brent crude increased $1.66 to settle at $94.75 per gallon.

Re: Oil's surge in 2010 paves the way for $4 gasoline

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 3:27 pm
by native
Well, let 'er rip. And as people take note of oil company profits, they should become fuel savers and/or oil shareholders instead of whining or advocating yet another absurd government market intervention. 8-)

Re: Oil's surge in 2010 paves the way for $4 gasoline

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:06 pm
by houndawg
It's been there before, it will be there again.


Nationalize them. 8-)

Re: Oil's surge in 2010 paves the way for $4 gasoline

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:39 pm
by Ivytalk
I blame the Chinese. Their obsession with growth, greed, and becoming #1 in everything (except ice hockey and porn) is ruining the world. :ohno: :thumbdown:

Re: Oil's surge in 2010 paves the way for $4 gasoline

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 7:52 pm
by native
houndawg wrote:It's been there before, it will be there again.

Nationalize them. 8-)
Nationalization is exhibit "A" in absurd government market interventions. Consider PEMEX. Mexico has abundant natural resources and should be one of the world's top economies but the economy and society fails because of such socialist bullsh!t.

Houndawg and the rest of the libs and commies suffer some weird sort of penis envy for anyone who makes a buck. Their solution for everything is to cut off their neighbor's dick. :ohno:

Re: Oil's surge in 2010 paves the way for $4 gasoline

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 7:52 pm
by catamount man
and democrats will still blame Bush for it

Re: Oil's surge in 2010 paves the way for $4 gasoline

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 9:04 pm
by Pwns
And the donks want to raise the gas tax even more? :?

Re: Oil's surge in 2010 paves the way for $4 gasoline

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 9:20 pm
by BDKJMU
Buy energy stocks and then cheer everytime the price of oil jumps.. :nod:

Re: Oil's surge in 2010 paves the way for $4 gasoline

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 9:46 pm
by kalm
native wrote:
houndawg wrote:It's been there before, it will be there again.

Nationalize them. 8-)
Nationalization is exhibit "A" in absurd government market interventions. Consider PEMEX. Mexico has abundant natural resources and should be one of the world's top economies but the economy and society fails because of such socialist bullsh!t.

Houndawg and the rest of the libs and commies suffer some weird sort of penis envy for anyone who makes a buck. Their solution for everything is to cut off their neighbor's dick. :ohno:

Oil is the most heavily subsidized industry we've got. Those turds couldn't turn a profit without the governments help if their life depended on it.

You're funny. :lol:

Re: Oil's surge in 2010 paves the way for $4 gasoline

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 9:46 pm
by houndawg
native wrote:
houndawg wrote:It's been there before, it will be there again.

Nationalize them. 8-)
Nationalization is exhibit "A" in absurd government market interventions. Consider PEMEX. Mexico has abundant natural resources and should be one of the world's top economies but the economy and society fails because of such socialist bullsh!t.

Houndawg and the rest of the libs and commies suffer some weird sort of penis envy for anyone who makes a buck. Their solution for everything is to cut off their neighbor's dick. :ohno:
:ohno: Vital to national security, nit. Too important to be left in the hands of criminals.


Pemex has nothing to do with Mexico's problms, nit. Their problems are the direct result of our idiotic drug laws. :roll:

Re: Oil's surge in 2010 paves the way for $4 gasoline

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 9:52 pm
by Skjellyfetti
native wrote: Consider PEMEX. Mexico has abundant natural resources and should be one of the world's top economies but the economy and society fails because of such socialist bullsh!t.
Mexico is one of the world's top economies. The problem is that the vast majority of the wealth in the country is concentrated in very few hands (Carlos Slim is now the richest man in the world). The roots of the poor wealth distribution go back 500 years. It's not PEMEX's fault. :roll:

Re: Oil's surge in 2010 paves the way for $4 gasoline

Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 7:04 am
by native
Skjellyfetti wrote:
native wrote: Consider PEMEX. Mexico has abundant natural resources and should be one of the world's top economies but the economy and society fails because of such socialist bullsh!t.
Mexico is one of the world's top economies. The problem is that the vast majority of the wealth in the country is concentrated in very few hands (Carlos Slim is now the richest man in the world). The roots of the poor wealth distribution go back 500 years. It's not PEMEX's fault. :roll:
Many problems are directly attributable to PEMEX mismanagement and the tragic intervention of the Mexican government into the marketplace.

I would certainly acknowledge that the roots of the problem go back 500 years, maybe more like 2,000 years the way the Mayans, Toltecs and Aztecs organized their own societies and treated lesser tribes, but to let PEMEX and the Mexican socialist economy and corrupt society off the hook is ridiculous.

PEMEX and the socialist imperative is a textbook study on the short-sightedness of government owned and controlled corporations. By under-invested in infrastructure in favor of huge social programs, the Mexicans have run out of "easy" barrels and lost the ability to extract the billions of "hard" barrels still available. They have mismanaged their oil fields so badly that they need immediate help to find and pump more oil.

http://www.dailywealth.com/1323/One-of- ... Going-Bust" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I was once honored to hear first-hand a small extemporaneous anecdote from John Chambers, CEO of Cisco, to a small handful of executives. When Fox was El Presidente, Cisco had invested a significant amount of money to develop manufacturing facilities in Mexico. When parts consistently disappeared from trucks, bribes were constantly demanded, and Chambers ran into nothing but a brick wall from the government - including Fox himself, Chambers pulled the plug on the project. Mexico could be as prosperous as Canada and the United States, but the Mexicans themselves have squandered their resources and political capital on bloody meaningless revolutions which have included nationalization of natural resources, to the eternal detriment of Mexican society and the Mexican people.

And before you complain that Fox was the problem, just recall that the problems go back at least 2000 years.

Re: Oil's surge in 2010 paves the way for $4 gasoline

Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 7:05 am
by native
houndawg wrote:
native wrote:
Nationalization is exhibit "A" in absurd government market interventions. Consider PEMEX. Mexico has abundant natural resources and should be one of the world's top economies but the economy and society fails because of such socialist bullsh!t.

Houndawg and the rest of the libs and commies suffer some weird sort of penis envy for anyone who makes a buck. Their solution for everything is to cut off their neighbor's dick. :ohno:
:ohno: Vital to national security, nit. Too important to be left in the hands of criminals.


Pemex has nothing to do with Mexico's problms, nit. Their problems are the direct result of our idiotic drug laws. :roll:
Most Dems and some Repubs ARE the criminals.

Mexico's problems began loooooooong before the drug wars. NOT to let USA drug laws off the hook, but the drug wars are a symptom of Mexico's underlying societal cancer, not a cause.

PLEASE try to stay sober for a couple of days, dawg, so that you can grasp the major ideas and meaningfully participate in the discussion.

Re: Oil's surge in 2010 paves the way for $4 gasoline

Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:10 pm
by AppMan
Just the mention of opening up land for drilling in the US and prices will plummet. America has the richest reserves in the world, time to open 'em up and get back some of that debt we owe China. Tell the enviro geeks, who have had a hand in getting us to where we are, to stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

Re: Oil's surge in 2010 paves the way for $4 gasoline

Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:15 pm
by Skjellyfetti
AppMan wrote:America has the richest reserves in the world
Bullshit. Not even close to being accurate.

#1 Saudi Arabia: 262,700,000,000 barrels
#2 Canada: 178,900,000,000 barrels
#3 Iran: 133,300,000,000 barrels
#4 Iraq: 112,500,000,000 barrels
#5 United Arab Emirates: 97,800,000,000 barrels
#6 Kuwait: 96,500,000,000 barrels
#7 Venezuela: 75,590,000,000 barrels
#8 Russia: 69,000,000,000 barrels
#9 Libya: 40,000,000,000 barrels
#10 Nigeria: 36,000,000,000 barrels
#11 Mexico: 33,310,000,000 barrels
#12 Kazakhstan: 26,000,000,000 barrels
#13 Angola: 25,000,000,000 barrels
#14 United States: 22,450,000,000 barrels
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ene_o ... l-reserves" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Saudi Arabia produces 240,250,000,000 more barrels per year than the US. That's a large amount of inaccuracy. :clap:

Re: Oil's surge in 2010 paves the way for $4 gasoline

Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:21 pm
by AZGrizFan
houndawg wrote:
native wrote:
Nationalization is exhibit "A" in absurd government market interventions. Consider PEMEX. Mexico has abundant natural resources and should be one of the world's top economies but the economy and society fails because of such socialist bullsh!t.

Houndawg and the rest of the libs and commies suffer some weird sort of penis envy for anyone who makes a buck. Their solution for everything is to cut off their neighbor's dick. :ohno:
:ohno: Vital to national security, nit. Too important to be left in the hands of criminals.


Pemex has nothing to do with Mexico's problms, nit. Their problems are the direct result of our idiotic drug laws. :roll:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Mexico has been a shithole since the beginning of time and it's only because of our billions and billions of drug users that they're in the shape they're in? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Re: Oil's surge in 2010 paves the way for $4 gasoline

Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:26 pm
by Skjellyfetti
AZGrizFan wrote: Mexico has been a shithole since the beginning of time and it's only because of our billions and billions of drug users that they're in the shape they're in? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Mexico wasn't a shithole precontact. Tenochtitlan was one of the World's largest (and cleanest) cities. Restrooms and steambaths in private homes, sewers, garbage collection, street cleaners, etc. Europe was much more of a shithole in the early 1500's. :nod: Most of the Spanish had only bathed once or twice in their entire lives, were used to raw sewage and garbage in the streets, etc.
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Re: Oil's surge in 2010 paves the way for $4 gasoline

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:04 am
by CID1990
Skjellyfetti wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote: Mexico has been a shithole since the beginning of time and it's only because of our billions and billions of drug users that they're in the shape they're in? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Mexico wasn't a shithole precontact. Tenochtitlan was one of the World's largest (and cleanest) cities. Restrooms and steambaths in private homes, sewers, garbage collection, street cleaners, etc. Europe was much more of a shithole in the early 1500's. :nod: Most of the Spanish had only bathed once or twice in their entire lives, were used to raw sewage and garbage in the streets, etc.
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LOL!

Taken RIGHT from the Aztec Nations liberation front posters!

If you look closely enough, you can see the nubile young Mexican women being carried off by Aztec warriors who look exactly like Adonis statues crossed with Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Re: Oil's surge in 2010 paves the way for $4 gasoline

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 8:21 am
by GannonFan
houndawg wrote:It's been there before, it will be there again.


Nationalize them. 8-)
And that solves what exactly? It doesn't dampen demand in China and worldwide for oil. It doesn't create more oil reserves in the world. It doesn't make it any easier to produce gas. All that would do is insulate us to the price increases (potentially) while simply pushing the costs onto the taxpayers (us) anyway. I think nationalization can work in many areas if done right, just not sure how it works in this case.

Re: Oil's surge in 2010 paves the way for $4 gasoline

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 8:31 am
by native
CID1990 wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote:
Mexico wasn't a shithole precontact. Tenochtitlan was one of the World's largest (and cleanest) cities. Restrooms and steambaths in private homes, sewers, garbage collection, street cleaners, etc. Europe was much more of a shithole in the early 1500's. :nod: Most of the Spanish had only bathed once or twice in their entire lives, were used to raw sewage and garbage in the streets, etc.
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LOL!

Taken RIGHT from the Aztec Nations liberation front posters!

If you look closely enough, you can see the nubile young Mexican women being carried off by Aztec warriors who look exactly like Adonis statues crossed with Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Mexico WAS a sh!th0le for the subjugated tribes, skelly.

Skelly the Aztlanista. He loves imperialism, just not the American kind that is open for participation by everyone. He much prefers a bloodier and more genuinely oppressive version, based strictly on racial purity and human sacrifice.

The Aztecs kept the streets clean ... so did Mussolini and Hitler.

Having said all that, there is much to admire in pre-Colombian civilization! Have you ever actually been to one of the Mayan ruins? Breathtakingly majestic!

Re: Oil's surge in 2010 paves the way for $4 gasoline

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 6:04 pm
by COBBLESTONE
Ivytalk wrote:I blame the Chinese. Their obsession with growth, greed, and becoming #1 in everything (except ice hockey and porn) is ruining the world. :ohno: :thumbdown:

They do suck in hockey but their porn is actually not that bad.

Re: Oil's surge in 2010 paves the way for $4 gasoline

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 8:39 am
by YoUDeeMan
clenz wrote:Price of oil rises 30 percent in 2010; gasoline prices could hit $4 a gallon in 2011
NEW YORK (AP) -- The price of oil is poised for another run at $100 a barrel after a global economic rebound sent it surging 34 percent since May. That could push gasoline prices to $4 a gallon by summer in some parts of the country, experts say.
If anyone thinks the price of something reflects its actual street value, as opposed to some artificial fairy tale price driven by the big money behind the boys on Wall Street, then I have a bridge to sell you.

Many books about Walll Street, but Liar's Poker...by Michael Lewis, sums it up nicely. :nod:

Re: Oil's surge in 2010 paves the way for $4 gasoline

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:26 pm
by kalm
Cluck U wrote:
clenz wrote:Price of oil rises 30 percent in 2010; gasoline prices could hit $4 a gallon in 2011
NEW YORK (AP) -- The price of oil is poised for another run at $100 a barrel after a global economic rebound sent it surging 34 percent since May. That could push gasoline prices to $4 a gallon by summer in some parts of the country, experts say.
If anyone thinks the price of something reflects its actual street value, as opposed to some artificial fairy tale price driven by the big money behind the boys on Wall Street, then I have a bridge to sell you.

Many books about Walll Street, but Liar's Poker...by Michael Lewis, sums it up nicely. :nod:
Did you read his rather lengthy article from Portfolio, "The End"?

http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/n ... eets-Boom/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Oil's surge in 2010 paves the way for $4 gasoline

Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 8:39 pm
by YoUDeeMan
kalm wrote:
Cluck U wrote:If anyone thinks the price of something reflects its actual street value, as opposed to some artificial fairy tale price driven by the big money behind the boys on Wall Street, then I have a bridge to sell you.

Many books about Walll Street, but Liar's Poker...by Michael Lewis, sums it up nicely. :nod:
Did you read his rather lengthy article from Portfolio, "The End"?

http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/n ... eets-Boom/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Nice find...thanks kalm.

So many things are messed up on Wall Street that it is frightening. It always has been a fixed game, but the wealthy got smart and let the little guy into the market...and jump in they did. 401K plans alone added billions to the market. They are now playing with America's money and most Americans don't move their money much at all. The big money guys' trades always went, and still do, first...then the little guy gets his bets in on the back end. And it is laughable that the brokerages could legally trade bonds off inside trader info...at least the stock guys had to fake it.

These days, computers do most of the work...they are programmed to quickly recognize trends and make their very large bets accordingly. Sure, they've put some controls in place...but c'mon. :roll:

The absurdity of it all is that at the end of the day some clown on TV tries to explain that the entire market jumped such-and-such percent because of a reported tenth of a percent decline on some offical report...unemployment...housing stats...a Norwegian fisherman catching three fewer fish that day...whatever. As if that report hadn't been leaked already (insert Clarence Beeks) and as if that report meant anything in the real world.

The best one can do is to spot the trends early and get on the wave...then get out. But the little guy will never beat the big money guys.