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51% of Republicans believe Obama was not born in US
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:22 pm
by Skjellyfetti
Poll: 51 percent of GOP primary voters think Obama born abroad
In a shocking finding, more than half of GOP primary voters believe President Barack Obama was not born in the United States, according to a new poll.
Fifty-one percent of 400 Republican primary voters surveyed nationwide by Public Policy Polling said they ascribe to the controversial birther conspiracy theory — despite the fact that the state of Hawaii has posted Obama’s certificate of live birth.
Only 28 percent said they think the president was born in the United States — a constitutional requirement to be president. Twenty-one percent said they were “not sure.”
“Any thought that the birther theory has been put to rest can be thrown out the window,” said Dean Debnam, the president of the Democratic-leanign polling firm. “That view is still widely held in Republican circles.”
Even a number of Republicans officials have said they believe Obama was born in the US and have called for an end to the debate
Among those who do not believe Obama was born in the United States, Mike Huckabee is their first choice for president, followed by Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich and then Mitt Romney.
Those who do think the president is a citizen favor Romney over the rest of the field. Huckabee, Palin and Ron Paul trail Romney among believers in Obama’s birth in Hawaii.
A CNN/Opinion Research poll in August showed that a quarter of Americans have doubts about Obama’s citizenship, with 11 percent saying the president was definitely not born in the United States.
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Re: 51% of Republicans believe Obama was not born in US
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:25 pm
by youngterrier
I don't trust polls, but still
Re: 51% of Republicans believe Obama was not born in US
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:58 pm
by SuperHornet
Well, let's just say Obama wasn't born in CONUS.
Re: 51% of Republicans believe Obama was not born in US
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:05 pm
by TwinTownBisonFan
the underlying in that is really interesting...
among non-Birthers, Sarah Palin has a favorable/unfavorable rating of 41 - 52. Among Birthers, it's a whoppingly favorable 83 - 12, far higher than anyone else.
Re: 51% of Republicans believe Obama was not born in US
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:09 pm
by Bronco
“A better poll question than his birth would be “Do you think Obama is hiding things about his past that should be made public?”
I think everyone would agree that this is true
Re: 51% of Republicans believe Obama was not born in US
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:22 pm
by TwinTownBisonFan
Bronco wrote:“A better poll question than his birth would be “Do you think Obama is hiding things about his past that should be made public?”
I think everyone would agree that this is true
guy ran for president for four years against 5 Democrats and John McCain and a very determined GOP operation - he's now been president for two years... if it happened and can be verified... it's out there. this guy is the most vetted person in the damn world
Re: 51% of Republicans believe Obama was not born in US
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 10:08 pm
by eagleskins
Always find it absolutely hilarious that the poorest states and lowest educated states are red states.
Re: 51% of Republicans believe Obama was not born in US
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 10:19 pm
by Bronco
Wow
Feel free to post anything you can find from his school days. You can start here. Good luck.
Punahou School Records
Selective Service Registration –
Occidental College records
Columbia College Records
Columbia Thesis
Harvard College Records
Baptism Certificate
Medical Records
Illinois State Senate Records
Law Practice Client List
University of Chicago Scholarly Articles
Oh and his old friend Ambercrombie the new Gov of Hawaii is quoted as saying he's looked and can't find the birth certificate.
Re: 51% of Republicans believe Obama was not born in US
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 10:27 pm
by Grizalltheway
Bronco wrote:Wow
Feel free to post anything you can find from his school days. You can start here. Good luck.
Punahou School Records
Selective Service Registration –
Occidental College records
Columbia College Records
Columbia Thesis
Harvard College Records
Baptism Certificate
Medical Records
Illinois State Senate Records
Law Practice Client List
University of Chicago Scholarly Articles
Oh and his old friend Ambercrombie the new Gov of Hawaii is quoted as saying he's looked and can't find the birth certificate.
Would you post every official record pertaining to W? Thanks.
Re: 51% of Republicans believe Obama was not born in US
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 10:45 pm
by TwinTownBisonFan
Bronco wrote:Wow
Feel free to post anything you can find from his school days. You can start here. Good luck.
Punahou School Records
Selective Service Registration –
Occidental College records
Columbia College Records
Columbia Thesis
Harvard College Records
Baptism Certificate
Medical Records
Illinois State Senate Records
Law Practice Client List
University of Chicago Scholarly Articles
Oh and his old friend Ambercrombie the new Gov of Hawaii is quoted as saying he's looked and can't find the birth certificate.
you know about all of these things... you're aware of them (you even repeat the so-frequently-debunked Abercrombie lie)... see, it's out there.
Re: 51% of Republicans believe Obama was not born in US
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:05 pm
by Skjellyfetti
going to have to assume bronco part of the 51% of Republicans that are retarded.
Re: 51% of Republicans believe Obama was not born in US
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:27 am
by 89Hen
Wonder what the numbers would look like if the question was "Is it possible that he was not born in the US?". If that were the question, count me in the 51%.
Re: 51% of Republicans believe Obama was not born in US
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:15 am
by Bronco
Grizalltheway wrote:Bronco wrote:Wow
Feel free to post anything you can find from his school days. You can start here. Good luck.
Punahou School Records
Selective Service Registration –
Occidental College records
Columbia College Records
Columbia Thesis
Harvard College Records
Baptism Certificate
Medical Records
Illinois State Senate Records
Law Practice Client List
University of Chicago Scholarly Articles
Oh and his old friend Ambercrombie the new Gov of Hawaii is quoted as saying he's looked and can't find the birth certificate.
Would you post every official record pertaining to W? Thanks.
Here's Bush's grades
Your turn
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Re: 51% of Republicans believe Obama was not born in US
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:18 am
by dbackjon
Bronco wrote:Wow
Feel free to post anything you can find from his school days. You can start here. Good luck.
Punahou School Records
Selective Service Registration –
Occidental College records
Columbia College Records
Columbia Thesis
Harvard College Records
Baptism Certificate
Medical Records
Illinois State Senate Records
Law Practice Client List
University of Chicago Scholarly Articles
Oh and his old friend Ambercrombie the new Gov of Hawaii is quoted as saying he's looked and can't find the birth certificate.
I see you fell for the lie told by the right wing activist, later recanted. Abercrombie never said anything to that nature.
Re: 51% of Republicans believe Obama was not born in US
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:30 am
by 89Hen
dbackjon wrote:I see you fell for the lie told by the right wing activist, later recanted. Abercrombie never said anything to that nature.
Jon, you have to admit the whole Abercrombie thing has done exactly opposite of what he intended. He wanted to put a nail in the coffin of the birthers, but instead he only threw gas on the fire.
Re: 51% of Republicans believe Obama was not born in US
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:30 am
by Skjellyfetti
89Hen wrote:Wonder what the numbers would look like if the question was "Is it possible that he was not born in the US?". If that were the question, count me in the 51%.
That would be a terrible poll question.
Re: 51% of Republicans believe Obama was not born in US
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:33 am
by 89Hen
Skjellyfetti wrote:89Hen wrote:Wonder what the numbers would look like if the question was "Is it possible that he was not born in the US?". If that were the question, count me in the 51%.
That would be a terrible poll question.
I'd be interested in how you, Jon and TTBF would answer it.
Re: 51% of Republicans believe Obama was not born in US
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:41 am
by dbackjon
89Hen wrote:dbackjon wrote:I see you fell for the lie told by the right wing activist, later recanted. Abercrombie never said anything to that nature.
Jon, you have to admit the whole Abercrombie thing has done exactly opposite of what he intended. He wanted to put a nail in the coffin of the birthers, but instead he only threw gas on the fire.
when someone tells a lie, how is Abercrombie responsible for that?
Re: 51% of Republicans believe Obama was not born in US
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:42 am
by dbackjon
89Hen wrote:Skjellyfetti wrote:
That would be a terrible poll question.
I'd be interested in how you, Jon and TTBF would answer it.
There is absolutely no doubt he was born in Hawaii. Anyone with doubts is a fucking moron, and is too fucking dumb to vote.
Re: 51% of Republicans believe Obama was not born in US
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:47 am
by blueballs
Funny... in my industry you have to document everything, there is nothing assumed. So far nobody seems to have produced even a certified copy of Obama's birth certificate- which I had to do to get a passport. I am quite sure all this would go away if somebody produced a certified copy or even a real copy of the birth certificate. The real question isn't whether or why somebody would have doubts but why hasn't that document been produced?
It is really that simple...
Re: 51% of Republicans believe Obama was not born in US
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:52 am
by 89Hen
dbackjon wrote:89Hen wrote:
Jon, you have to admit the whole Abercrombie thing has done exactly opposite of what he intended. He wanted to put a nail in the coffin of the birthers, but instead he only threw gas on the fire.
when someone tells a lie, how is Abercrombie responsible for that?
Not following. Are you saying he never said he was going to end the controversy but instead only fueled it?
Re: 51% of Republicans believe Obama was not born in US
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:53 am
by 89Hen
dbackjon wrote:89Hen wrote:
I'd be interested in how you, Jon and TTBF would answer it.
There is absolutely no doubt he was born in Hawaii. Anyone with doubts is a fucking moron, and is too fucking dumb to vote.
See, Jelly? Not a terrible question.
Re: 51% of Republicans believe Obama was not born in US
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:57 am
by Skjellyfetti
It is a terrible question. Throwing "possibility" in there allows for far too much interpretation.
If you want to move the number of positive responses higher.... sure, it would be a great question... but, it would be misleading.
Re: 51% of Republicans believe Obama was not born in US
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:58 am
by OL FU
For those that know more about this than me (because honestly I have never really been interested in knowing until now). When one parent is a citizen of the US and you are born outside of the US, you are not considered a natural born citizen simply because of the place of your birth. Is that correct?
Re: 51% of Republicans believe Obama was not born in US
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:02 am
by Skjellyfetti
