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Democratic Senators have fled the state in an effort to prevent the passage of a budget that would cut the pay, benefits and collective bargaining rights of public workers.

The Governor has ordered the State Police to locate and escort the Senators back to the Capitol, though the Senators claim they have left the state.

Furthermore it is illegal in Wisconsin to arrest a State Legislator while the legislature is in session, this leaves the State Police with little ability to force the Senators to head to the Capitol.

Democrats say they are prepared to stay away for weeks.

"Democrats say they are prepared to stay away for weeks."

Wish they would do that in Washington

Bronco wrote:"Democrats say they are prepared to stay away for weeks."

Wish they would do that in Washington

Same with conks in Helena.

Pulling the same move as the donks did in TX in 03'. Cowards.
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"the bill would force public workers to pay half the cost of their pensions and at least 12.6% of their health-care coverage."
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Why, we can't have the unions paying 1/2 the cost of their pensions and 12.6% of their health care costs. Why those ungrateful taxpayers who don't have pensions, or have pensions not nearly as generous, and who pay a far higher percentage for their health care premiums (or don't have it at all), should just suck it up and pay higher taxes so the union folks only have to pay for a fraction of their pensions and little to none of their health care. Those ungrateful taxpayers, how dare they question paying more and more taxes to go to the unions.

At what point do they start disciplining/firing teachers who have abandoned their classrooms? If I called in sick as much as they have I'd be gone in an instant. I'm guessing they'd have plenty of applicants for the resulting vacancies, at a much more reasonable cost.

Hmm, maybe that's all part of the grand plan...

80 years ago workers died for the right to bargain collectively...

"the rights that labor has won, labor must defend"

So what's the theory here? Passage is prevented because there's no clear majority or because there's no quorum?

SuperHornet wrote:So what's the theory here? Passage is prevented because there's no clear majority or because there's no quorum?

no quorum - can't pass anything without a quorum...

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:80 years ago workers died for the right to bargain collectively...

"the rights that labor has won, labor must defend"

Gov. Walker should quote Obama. "I won. So I think on that one, I trump you".

I don't see how the unions aren't going to lose big time on this one. Joe Public is not going to support them not contributing anything to their pension or toward their health insurance. Asking them to pay half their pension and 12.6% of their insurance is not unreasonable.

And any teacher that doesn't show up for work on Monday should have their ass fired.

Gov. Scott Walker news conference today.
Once he learns to read from a teleprompter he may have a future in Washington


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HI54UNI wrote:

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:80 years ago workers died for the right to bargain collectively...

"the rights that labor has won, labor must defend"

Gov. Walker should quote Obama. "I won. So I think on that one, I trump you".

I don't see how the unions aren't going to lose big time on this one. Joe Public is not going to support them not contributing anything to their pension or toward their health insurance. Asking them to pay half their pension and 12.6% of their insurance is not unreasonable.

And any teacher that doesn't show up for work on Monday should have their ass fired.

monday is President's day... no school statewide...

HI54UNI wrote:

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:80 years ago workers died for the right to bargain collectively...

"the rights that labor has won, labor must defend"

Gov. Walker should quote Obama. "I won. So I think on that one, I trump you".

I don't see how the unions aren't going to lose big time on this one. Joe Public is not going to support them not contributing anything to their pension or toward their health insurance. Asking them to pay half their pension and 12.6% of their insurance is not unreasonable.

And any teacher that doesn't show up for work on Monday should have their ass fired.

Agree. No problem with them retaining collective bargaining rights, but there are a LOT of private sector employees, who work just as hard, who can't even dream of an employer-provided pension anymore.

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:

HI54UNI wrote:
Gov. Walker should quote Obama. "I won. So I think on that one, I trump you".

I don't see how the unions aren't going to lose big time on this one. Joe Public is not going to support them not contributing anything to their pension or toward their health insurance. Asking them to pay half their pension and 12.6% of their insurance is not unreasonable.

And any teacher that doesn't show up for work on Monday should have their ass fired.

monday is President's day... no school statewide...

Is that the best you've got?

The problem isn't the pension contributions - the problem is the Governor won't negotiate - they put the bill together in secret (not uncommon for Wisc. Repubs...)

the problem is the Governor attempting to bust the unions. that's not something that is even remotely acceptable. they are asking the Governor to negotiate in good faith - and he is refusing...

Grizalltheway wrote:

HI54UNI wrote:
Gov. Walker should quote Obama. "I won. So I think on that one, I trump you".

I don't see how the unions aren't going to lose big time on this one. Joe Public is not going to support them not contributing anything to their pension or toward their health insurance. Asking them to pay half their pension and 12.6% of their insurance is not unreasonable.

And any teacher that doesn't show up for work on Monday should have their ass fired.

Agree. No problem with them retaining collective bargaining rights, but there are a LOT of private sector employees, who work just as hard, who can't even dream of an employer-provided pension anymore.

Sounds like the private sector employees work just as hard but don't bargain as well......

Too bad this isn't a tea party gathering...all the nasty signs would be all over the news.
Weird how that works
Let me know if you'd like to see some pictures with targets.

We need more guys like the Gov in Wisconsin and Chris Christie in NJ.


Its about time this country showed a few guys that have balls, instead of the neutered meterosexuals in Washington DC


Good for them, keep hammering until the unions fall flat on their ass.

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:The problem isn't the pension contributions - the problem is the Governor won't negotiate - they put the bill together in secret (not uncommon for Wisc. Repubs...).

You mean like the Obamacare bill was created by the Pelosi democrats...

Life sucks when you lose the election like the democrats did in Wisconsin...

Voters have had enough of the tax and spend in Wisconsin and are trying to do something about the deficits...this is a grass roots uprising but the opposite of what the dems think

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EDITORIAL: Obama’s war on democracy--President’s campaign forces seize Wisconsin statehouse
The Washington Times ^ | February 18, 2011 | Editorial

Message to Wisconsin taxpayers: President Obama and the Democratic National Committee have declared war on you. Message to other states: You’re next.

The political unrest in Wisconsin, billed as some kind of grass-roots uprising, is being organized and directed by Barack Obama‘s Organizing for America and the Democratic National Committee. This development is consistent with

Mr. Obama‘s instructions for supporters to “get in the face” of those who oppose them, but in this case, they are seeking to derail a lawful legislative process.

On Thursday, 14 Democratic state lawmakers fled Wisconsin’s capital to prevent the legislature from conducting official business. Dan Grandone, state director for the president’s campaign apparatus, accused Gov. Scott Walker of “ignoring Wisconsin voices today and asking for the power to drown them out permanently tomorrow.” It is important to note that the voices of which Mr. Grandone speaks are not those of the public at large. Voters sent an unmistakable message in November by taking solid majorities in the state Assembly and Senate away from Democrats and handing even greater control to Republicans. Mr. Walker, a Republican, won by six points over the incumbent Democrat.

That the protesters speak in a different voice can be seen in the signs they carry. Many compare Mr. Walker to Hitler, Mussolini or Hosni Mubarak. One placard had the slogan “Repeal Walker” with the governor’s head in sniperscope cross hairs.

This is the symbolism that Democrats recently denounced as “hate-filled rhetoric,” and it is far from the voice of the public. It is rather the voice of an entitled class that seeks by any means to stop its free ride from coming to an end.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:The problem isn't the pension contributions - the problem is the Governor won't negotiate - they put the bill together in secret (not uncommon for Wisc. Repubs...)

the problem is the Governor attempting to bust the unions. that's not something that is even remotely acceptable. they are asking the Governor to negotiate in good faith - and he is refusing...

"Elections have consequences"
--Barack Obama

Every public sector union needs to be busted. They should have no right to collectively bargain with our tax money and against the taxpayers.

Baldy wrote:

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:The problem isn't the pension contributions - the problem is the Governor won't negotiate - they put the bill together in secret (not uncommon for Wisc. Repubs...)

the problem is the Governor attempting to bust the unions. that's not something that is even remotely acceptable. they are asking the Governor to negotiate in good faith - and he is refusing...

"Elections have consequences"
--Barack Obama

Every public sector union needs to be busted. They should have no right to collectively bargain with our tax money and against the taxpayers.

so why is this douchebag tying to only bust the unions who didn't back his campaign? he's exempting police and firefighters - both backed his campagin - but not teachers and prison guards...

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:

Baldy wrote: "Elections have consequences"
--Barack Obama

Every public sector union needs to be busted. They should have no right to collectively bargain with our tax money and against the taxpayers.

so why is this douchebag tying to only bust the unions who didn't back his campaign? he's exempting police and firefighters - both backed his campagin - but not teachers and prison guards...

This sums up the teacher and prison guard unions.


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Too bad the union didn't get their buddies to approve their contract when they had the chance.

"Labor contracts for state workers dramatically stalled in the Legislature late Wednesday after the leader of Senate Democrats defied his party and cast the deciding vote to reject them."

At least one Democrat apparently got "it".

Decker said he was not comfortable voting for the contracts now that the "people have spoken" and voted him and other Democrats out of office. He blamed Democratic Gov. Jim Doyle and unions for not reaching an agreement on the contracts before the Nov. 2 election.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolit ... 22624.html

Even FDR thought public employee unions were a bad idea

The desire of Government employees for fair and adequate pay, reasonable hours of work, safe and suitable working conditions, development of opportunities for advancement, facilities for fair and impartial consideration and review of grievances, and other objectives of a proper employee relations policy, is basically no different from that of employees in private industry. Organization on their part to present their views on such matters is both natural and logical, but meticulous attention should be paid to the special relationships and obligations of public servants to the public itself and to the Government.

All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters.

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