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Could Saudi Arabia be next?

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:14 pm
by Skjellyfetti
Can't even begin to imagine how high gas would go if Saudi Arabia erupts. :?
In the age of Arab revolutions, will Saudis dare to honor Facebook calls for anti-government demonstrations on March 11? Will they protest at one of Jeddah's main roundabouts? Or will they start in Qatif, the eastern region where a substantial Shiite majority has had more experience in real protest? Will Riyadh remain cocooned in its cloak of pomp and power, hidden from public gaze in its mighty sand castles?

Saudi Arabia is ripe for change. Despite its image as a fabulously wealthy realm with a quiescent, apolitical population, it has similar economic, demographic, social, and political conditions as those prevailing in its neighboring Arab countries. There is no reason to believe Saudis are immune to the protest fever sweeping the region.

Saudi Arabia is indeed wealthy, but most of its young population cannot find jobs in either the public or private sector. The expansion of its $430 billion economy has benefited a substantial section of the entrepreneurial elite -- particularly those well connected with the ruling family -- but has failed to produce jobs for thousands of college graduates every year. This same elite has resisted employing expensive Saudis and contributed to the rise in local unemployment by hiring foreign labor. Rising oil prices since 2003 and the expansion of state investment in education, infrastructure, and welfare, meanwhile, have produced an explosive economy of desires.

Like their neighbors, Saudis want jobs, houses, and education, but they also desire something else. Since the overthrow of Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq in 2003, they have expressed their political demands in their own way, through petitions that circulated and were signed by hundreds of activists and professionals, men and women, Sunnis, Shiites, and Ismailis. Reformers petitioned King Abdullah to establish an elected consultative assembly to replace the 120-member appointed Consultative Council Saudis inherited from King Fahd. Political organizers were jailed and some banned from travel to this day. The "Riyadh spring" that many reformers anticipated upon King Abdullah's accession in 2005 was put on hold while torrential rain swept away decaying infrastructure and people in major cities. Rising unemployment pushed the youth toward antisocial behavior, marriages collapsed, the number of bachelors soared, and the number of people under the poverty line increased in one of the wealthiest states of the Arab world. Today, nearly 40 percent of Saudis ages 20 to 24 are unemployed.

Meanwhile, scandal after scandal exposed the level of corruption and nepotism in state institutions. Princes promised to establish investigative committees, yet culprits were left unpunished. Criticism of the king and top ruling princes remained taboo, and few crossed the red line surrounding the substantial sacrosanct clique that monopolizes government posts from defense to sports. The number of political prisoners and prisoners of conscience swelled Saudi prisons. Under the pretext of the war on terror, the Saudi regime enjoyed a free hand. The interior minister, Prince Nayef, and his son and deputy, Prince Mohammed, rounded up peaceful activists, bloggers, lawyers, and academics and jailed them for extended periods. Saudis watched in silence while the outside world either remained oblivious to abuses of human rights or turned a blind eye in the interests of oil, arms, and investment.

"We are not Tunisia," "We are not Egypt," "We are not Libya," (and perhaps in a month's time, "We are not the Arab world") have become well-rehearsed refrains of official Saudi political rhetoric in recent weeks. There is some truth in this: Carrots are often the currency of loyalty in oil-rich countries, including its wealthiest kingdom. But the Saudi royal family uses plenty of sticks, too. Public relations firms in Riyadh, Washington, and London ensure that news of the carrots travels as far as possible, masking unpleasant realities in one of the least transparent and most authoritarian regimes in the Persian Gulf. What cannot be hidden anymore is the political, economic, and social problems that oil has so far failed to address.

When Saudis were poor and lagged behind the world in education, aspirations, and infrastructure, oil was the balm that healed all social wounds. The wave of coups d'état that swept the Arab world in the 1950s and 1960s did not make much impression on Saudis, despite some agitation here and there. Few Saudis were impressed by the effervescence of Arab revolutionary or liberation movements. At the time, most Saudis lacked the education or inclination to question their government, apart from a handful of activists and agitators, including a couple of princes. By the 1970s, oil wealth was developing their taste for the consumer economy and the pleasures of cars, planes, running water, air-conditioning, and sunglasses. Political participation wasn't part of the package.

Today, oil remains abundant, but Saudis are different. They enjoy more consumption and liquidity than others in the Arab world, but less than those in neighboring Qatar, Kuwait, and the United Arab Emirates. Saudis are today looking for something else. They are young -- youth under 30 account for two-thirds of the Saudi population -- educated, connected, and articulate. Above all, they are familiar with the global discourse of democracy, freedom, entitlement, empowerment, transparency, accountability, and human rights that has exploded in the face of authoritarian regimes in the Arab world since January. They watch satellite channels like Al Jazeera and eagerly consume news from uprisings around the region.
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Re: Could Saudi Arabia be next?

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:22 pm
by 93henfan
If you think Qaddafi is cracking down on his subjects, you don't wanna see what the Sauds would do.

Re: Could Saudi Arabia be next?

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:25 pm
by AZGrizFan
I don't see any way SA avoids what appears to now be inevitable.

Re: Could Saudi Arabia be next?

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:32 pm
by 93henfan
AZGrizFan wrote:I don't see any way SA avoids what appears to now be inevitable.
So go ahead and cash back out of stocks? I just got back in in December. :lol:

Re: Could Saudi Arabia be next?

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:41 pm
by AZGrizFan
93henfan wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:I don't see any way SA avoids what appears to now be inevitable.
So go ahead and cash back out of stocks? I just got back in in December. :lol:

Buy oil futures. :thumb: :nod:

Re: Could Saudi Arabia be next?

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:42 pm
by AZGrizFan
AZGrizFan wrote:
93henfan wrote:
So go ahead and cash back out of stocks? I just got back in in December. :lol:

Buy oil futures. :thumb: :nod:
And gold. :coffee:

Re: Could Saudi Arabia be next?

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:02 pm
by 93henfan
AZGrizFan wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:

Buy oil futures. :thumb: :nod:
And gold. :coffee:
And ammunition?

Re: Could Saudi Arabia be next?

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:09 pm
by kalm
93henfan wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
And gold. :coffee:
And ammunition?
:lol:

And canned goods and seeds. :|

Re: Could Saudi Arabia be next?

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:11 pm
by AZGrizFan
kalm wrote:
93henfan wrote:
And ammunition?
:lol:

And canned goods and seeds. :|
Well, if there's one thing that'll send this country into revolution it'll be $10/gallon gas. :lol:

Re: Could Saudi Arabia be next?

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:14 pm
by dbackjon
AZGrizFan wrote:
kalm wrote:
:lol:

And canned goods and seeds. :|
Well, if there's one thing that'll send this country into revolution it'll be $10/gallon gas. :lol:

Also sodomy

Re: Could Saudi Arabia be next?

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:16 pm
by AZGrizFan
dbackjon wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Well, if there's one thing that'll send this country into revolution it'll be $10/gallon gas. :lol:

Also sodomy
Yes, that too.

Re: Could Saudi Arabia be next?

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:58 pm
by ALPHAGRIZ1
AZGrizFan wrote:
kalm wrote:
:lol:

And canned goods and seeds. :|
Well, if there's one thing that'll send this country into revolution it'll be $10/gallon gas. :lol:
It wont be a revolution, people will just start killing all the libs that stand in the way of progress and start drilling our own oil. That creates jobs, raises the tax base and stimulates the economy, you know......its what the left is trying to stifle.

Re: Could Saudi Arabia be next?

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:04 pm
by AZGrizFan
ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Well, if there's one thing that'll send this country into revolution it'll be $10/gallon gas. :lol:
It wont be a revolution, people will just start killing all the libs that stand in the way of progress and start drilling our own oil. That creates jobs, raises the tax base and stimulates the economy, you know......its what the left is trying to stifle.
We've got more oil drilled and capped than exists in the Middle East right now.


disclaimer: I completely made that up and have no idea if it's true

Re: Could Saudi Arabia be next?

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:19 pm
by SDHornet
AZGrizFan wrote:
disclaimer: I completely made that up and have no idea if it's true
Love the disclaimer. :lol:

Re: Could Saudi Arabia be next?

Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:17 am
by Chizzang
ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote: It wont be a revolution, people will just start killing all the libs that stand in the way of progress and start drilling our own oil. That creates jobs, raises the tax base and stimulates the economy, you know......its what the left is trying to stifle.
Alpha
You really have no idea what you're talking about on this one... Not one clue




:nod:

Re: Could Saudi Arabia be next?

Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:32 am
by Grizalltheway
Chizzang wrote:
ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote: It wont be a revolution, people will just start killing all the libs that stand in the way of progress and start drilling our own oil. That creates jobs, raises the tax base and stimulates the economy, you know......its what the left is trying to stifle.
Alpha
You really have no idea what you're talking about on this one... Not one clue




:nod:

This should really just be part of his signature...

Re: Could Saudi Arabia be next?

Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 1:02 am
by ALPHAGRIZ1
Yeah oil jobs, building refineries and all the infrastructure that goes with it is complete BS and wouldnt help our economy in the least.
:roll:

Re: Could Saudi Arabia be next?

Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 7:13 am
by houndawg
ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Yeah oil jobs, building refineries and all the infrastructure that goes with it is complete BS and wouldnt help our economy in the least.
:roll:
Yeah, big oil is just chomping at the bit to increase refining capacity. :roll:


Get your dosage adjusted, Alvin.

Re: Could Saudi Arabia be next?

Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:11 am
by YoUDeeMan
Hey, our Lib friends didn't bother to make a comment on Bush's contribution to Arab freedom.


From the article:

"Since the overthrow of Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq in 2003, they have expressed their political demands in their own way, through petitions that circulated and were signed by hundreds of activists and professionals, men and women, Sunnis, Shiites, and Ismailis. Reformers petitioned King Abdullah to establish an elected consultative assembly to replace the 120-member appointed Consultative Council Saudis inherited from King Fahd."

Hmmmmm... 8-)

Seriuously, can anyone doubt the spark created by the fall of Saddam's regime and the installation of a democracy into what had been an authoritarian regime the heart of the Middle East?

Reagan brought down the Wall and liberated Eastern Europe. Bush sparked Arab freedom. :clap:

Re: Could Saudi Arabia be next?

Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:25 am
by kalm
Cluck U wrote:Hey, our Lib friends didn't bother to make a comment on Bush's contribution to Arab freedom.


From the article:

"Since the overthrow of Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq in 2003, they have expressed their political demands in their own way, through petitions that circulated and were signed by hundreds of activists and professionals, men and women, Sunnis, Shiites, and Ismailis. Reformers petitioned King Abdullah to establish an elected consultative assembly to replace the 120-member appointed Consultative Council Saudis inherited from King Fahd."

Hmmmmm... 8-)

Seriuously, can anyone doubt the spark created by the fall of Saddam's regime and the installation of a democracy into what had been an authoritarian regime the heart of the Middle East?

Reagan brought down the Wall and liberated Eastern Europe. Bush sparked Arab freedom. :clap:
That's an interesting take for you Cluck. I didnt you see as much of an interventionist. Also, I thought Al Gore invented the Internet.

Re: Could Saudi Arabia be next?

Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:29 am
by bluehenbillk
The issue in this wil be the fact that we should've done something starting back in the 1970's in regards to serious movements towards alternative energy & it has been squashed by lobbyists & big oil forthe past 30-plus years. Maybe if there is one thing that will finally end America's addiction to oil it'll be oil that we no longer wanna pay for.... :coffee:

Re: Could Saudi Arabia be next?

Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:33 am
by kalm
bluehenbillk wrote:The issue in this wil be the fact that we should've done something starting back in the 1970's in regards to serious movements towards alternative energy & it has been squashed by lobbyists & big oil forthe past 30-plus years. Maybe if there is one thing that will finally end America's addiction to oil it'll be oil that we no longer wanna pay for.... :coffee:
Carter trIed Reagan and Bush put it on the back burner.

Re: Could Saudi Arabia be next?

Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:42 am
by Grizalltheway
bluehenbillk wrote:The issue in this wil be the fact that we should've done something starting back in the 1970's in regards to serious movements towards alternative energy & it has been squashed by lobbyists & big oil forthe past 30-plus years. Maybe if there is one thing that will finally end America's addiction to oil it'll be oil that we no longer wanna pay for.... :coffee:
Hey. Big oil just wants to create jobs and help society.

Re: Could Saudi Arabia be next?

Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:43 am
by Grizalltheway
Cluck U wrote:Hey, our Lib friends didn't bother to make a comment on Bush's contribution to Arab freedom.


From the article:

"Since the overthrow of Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq in 2003, they have expressed their political demands in their own way, through petitions that circulated and were signed by hundreds of activists and professionals, men and women, Sunnis, Shiites, and Ismailis. Reformers petitioned King Abdullah to establish an elected consultative assembly to replace the 120-member appointed Consultative Council Saudis inherited from King Fahd."

Hmmmmm... 8-)

Seriuously, can anyone doubt the spark created by the fall of Saddam's regime and the installation of a democracy into what had been an authoritarian regime the heart of the Middle East?

Reagan brought down the Wall and liberated Eastern Europe. Bush sparked Arab freedom. :clap:
Yeah, I'm sure the rest of the ME was just champing at the bit to be like Iraq ca. 2003-2007.

Re: Could Saudi Arabia be next?

Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 10:24 am
by ∞∞∞
The ironic thing about these "Facebook Revolutions" is that Facebook was created by a Jew...

...I imagine Ahmedaladygagagodashakiranad will use this as "further" evidence of ZOG. :lol: