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Just saw a blurb that the President has authorized the resumption of military trials at Guantanamo Bay.

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Obushma strikes again!

Hey, Travis, where are you? TTBF? Yoo-hoo?

Lib response: So what? He lied. Dems are allowed to lie...we are doing it for a different cause.

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

Change. Except where it's not politically expedient.

I don't love it, but his hands were tied by the Congress - they've added some due process provisions that help alleviate some of my concerns... long term however, the goal is to close Gitmo... which is the right thing to do... don't love it, but really there wasn't any choice...

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:I don't love it, but his hands were tied by the Congress - they've added some due process provisions that help alleviate some of my concerns... long term however, the goal is to close Gitmo... which is the right thing to do... don't love it, but really there wasn't any choice...

BULL SHIT.
He had two years of free reign to do whatever the fuck he wanted to with Gitmo....he didn't close it. Now he blames a split Congress for 'having' to resume the trials?

again - i'm not happy about it - they damn sure dragged their feet - and this is the result.

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:again - i'm not happy about it - they damn sure dragged their feet - and this is the result.

You're off your game tonight, TTBF. You might wanna sit the next couple of plays out.

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:I don't love it, but his hands were tied by the Congress - they've added some due process provisions that help alleviate some of my concerns... long term however, the goal is to close Gitmo... which is the right thing to do... don't love it, but really there wasn't any choice...

AZGrizFan wrote:

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:again - i'm not happy about it - they damn sure dragged their feet - and this is the result.

You're off your game tonight, TTBF. You might wanna sit the next couple of plays out.

AZGrizFan wrote:

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:I don't love it, but his hands were tied by the Congress - they've added some due process provisions that help alleviate some of my concerns... long term however, the goal is to close Gitmo... which is the right thing to do... don't love it, but really there wasn't any choice...

BULL SHIT.
He had two years of free reign to do whatever the fuck he wanted to with Gitmo....he didn't close it. Now he blames a split Congress for 'having' to resume the trials?

Seriously TTBF....let's call it what it is....he's scared to be labeled soft on terror contrary to his campaign promises...that's OK...it's typical politician CYA....not the "Change" he was advocating and people were expecting, but entirely understandable since he is, after all, a politician...

Obama - more right wing than REpublicans will admit.


Major disapointment on many fronts. I would argue that over at Democratic Underground, but have been now twice permabanned for criticizing our dear leader.



But, as the standard DU response goes - what, you'd rather have McCain/Palin???

So what's next, Barry? An invasion of Libya?

dbackjon wrote:Obama - more right wing than REpublicans will admit.


Major disapointment on many fronts. I would argue that over at Democratic Underground, but have been now twice permabanned for criticizing our dear leader.



But, as the standard DU response goes - what, you'd rather have McCain/Palin???

There is nothing right wing about Obama at all. It's called political expediency.

Baldy wrote:

dbackjon wrote:Obama - more right wing than REpublicans will admit.


Major disapointment on many fronts. I would argue that over at Democratic Underground, but have been now twice permabanned for criticizing our dear leader.



But, as the standard DU response goes - what, you'd rather have McCain/Palin???

There is nothing right wing about Obama at all. It's called political expediency.

Case in point.

Duck's Unlimited apparently has more credibility than Democratic Underground.

I think Obama has just realized the same thing that Bush's team realized once they got into this - there's no good answer to how to deal with some of these cases and some of these people. It's all fine to be idealistic, but the reality is plenty of these people are still dangerous, very few if any other countries want all of these people back, and trials in criminal courts would be a PR fiasco. Sometimes there aren't easy answers. Frankly, I'd rather that we had just found some other way to house a lot of these guys instead of having one flashpoint location with a fancy nickname like "Gitmo". Tuck these guys away into holes and be done with it. It ain't pretty but it's never going to be pretty. Obama is just learning what every other President has learned at times - what may look simple and clear from the campaign trail is often difficult and grey once in office.

GannonFan wrote:I think Obama has just realized the same thing that Bush's team realized once they got into this - there's no good answer to how to deal with some of these cases and some of these people. It's all fine to be idealistic, but the reality is plenty of these people are still dangerous, very few if any other countries want all of these people back, and trials in criminal courts would be a PR fiasco. Sometimes there aren't easy answers. Frankly, I'd rather that we had just found some other way to house a lot of these guys instead of having one flashpoint location with a fancy nickname like "Gitmo". Tuck these guys away into holes and be done with it. It ain't pretty but it's never going to be pretty. Obama is just learning what every other President has learned at times - what may look simple and clear from the campaign trail is often difficult and grey once in office.

Nice apologia, GF! And you're still supporting this guy?

Damn, this country was so much more fun when we were frightened out of our wits 24/7.

GannonFan wrote:I think Obama has just realized the same thing that Bush's team realized once they got into this - there's no good answer to how to deal with some of these cases and some of these people. It's all fine to be idealistic, but the reality is plenty of these people are still dangerous, very few if any other countries want all of these people back, and trials in criminal courts would be a PR fiasco. Sometimes there aren't easy answers. Frankly, I'd rather that we had just found some other way to house a lot of these guys instead of having one flashpoint location with a fancy nickname like "Gitmo". Tuck these guys away into holes and be done with it. It ain't pretty but it's never going to be pretty. Obama is just learning what every other President has learned at times - what may look simple and clear from the campaign trail is often difficult and grey once in office.

I think what Obama learned a long time ago is that it is easy to spew any bullshit on the campaign trail and get away with it.

Ivytalk wrote:

GannonFan wrote:I think Obama has just realized the same thing that Bush's team realized once they got into this - there's no good answer to how to deal with some of these cases and some of these people. It's all fine to be idealistic, but the reality is plenty of these people are still dangerous, very few if any other countries want all of these people back, and trials in criminal courts would be a PR fiasco. Sometimes there aren't easy answers. Frankly, I'd rather that we had just found some other way to house a lot of these guys instead of having one flashpoint location with a fancy nickname like "Gitmo". Tuck these guys away into holes and be done with it. It ain't pretty but it's never going to be pretty. Obama is just learning what every other President has learned at times - what may look simple and clear from the campaign trail is often difficult and grey once in office.

Nice apologia, GF! And you're still supporting this guy?

I am - I never thought he'd be able to close Gitmo anyway - I certainly didn't vote for him thinking he was going to be able to nor that I even wanted it closed. Like I said, I'd rather they spirit those guys to a bunch of different holes and just forget about them altogether. The only thing I didn't like is that he got a supermajority and rammed through a poor health care bill (that may still do the job in a round about way, but we'll see). I like where he's at now - restricted from his worse impulses by a GOP House and a much narrowed Senate (that will probably also go GOP in 2012) and now able to be more of a leader. We'll see if he's up to it. Clinton found a way to do it and I didn't like him very much compared to Obama. But the clock is certainly ticking now - no more Pelosi's to blame.

CitadelGrad wrote:

GannonFan wrote:I think Obama has just realized the same thing that Bush's team realized once they got into this - there's no good answer to how to deal with some of these cases and some of these people. It's all fine to be idealistic, but the reality is plenty of these people are still dangerous, very few if any other countries want all of these people back, and trials in criminal courts would be a PR fiasco. Sometimes there aren't easy answers. Frankly, I'd rather that we had just found some other way to house a lot of these guys instead of having one flashpoint location with a fancy nickname like "Gitmo". Tuck these guys away into holes and be done with it. It ain't pretty but it's never going to be pretty. Obama is just learning what every other President has learned at times - what may look simple and clear from the campaign trail is often difficult and grey once in office.

I think what Obama learned a long time ago is that it is easy to spew any bullshit on the campaign trail and get away with it.

I think politicians have known that for quite some time.