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Obama's indecision on Libya has pushed Clinton over the edge

"Fed up with a president “who can’t make his mind up” as Libyan rebels
are on the brink of defeat, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is
looking to the exits.

At the tail end of her mission to bolster
the Libyan opposition, which has suffered days of losses to Col. Moammar
Gadhafi’s forces, Clinton announced that she’s done with Obama after
2012 — even if he wins again.

“Obviously, she’s not happy with
dealing with a president who can’t decide if today is Tuesday or
Wednesday, who can’t make his mind up,” a Clinton insider told The
Daily. “She’s exhausted, tired.”

He went on, “If you take a look at what’s on her plate as compared
with what’s on the plates of previous Secretary of States — there’s more
going on now at this particular moment, and it’s like playing sports
with a bunch of amateurs. And she doesn’t have any power. She’s trying
to do what she can to keep things from imploding.”

Clinton is said to be especially peeved with the president’s waffling
over how to encourage the kinds of Arab uprisings that have recently
toppled regimes in Egypt and Tunisia, and in particular his refusal to
back a no-fly zone over Libya."

Aren't we all a little "exhausted" with Obama...

an unsourced blind quote on a random blog... really?

weak sauce...

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:an unsourced blind quote on a random blog... really?

weak sauce...

Yes, but you know every word of it is true.

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:an unsourced blind quote on a random blog... really?

weak sauce...

Josh Hirsch is a good writer... He lives in Cairo I think..? (No..?)
Anyway it's well written and funny

isn't that enough - who cares if it's true....

She can't believe that this guy is still voting present.

Here's Wolf on the subject
http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2011/ ... y-clinton/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

News Flash! Barack "Mr. Decisive" Obama is changing his middle name from Hussein to Hamlet.

And he won't have to change his monogrammed cuffs!

Not really too much of a surprise - she and BHO were at each other's throats until he won the Dem nod. I was a little surprised she took the SoS position given who her boss would be, and it sounds like she's found that her concerns were well founded. I never really cared much for her, but I somehow think she'd be a lot more decisive on things than BHO.

ASUG8 wrote:Not really too much of a surprise - she and BHO were at each other's throats until he won the Dem nod. I was a little surprised she took the SoS position given who her boss would be, and it sounds like she's found that her concerns were well founded. I never really cared much for her, but I somehow think she'd be a lot more decisive on things than BHO.

I agree she'd likely be more decisive - for good and ill... i don't always object to obama's more patient approach... some call it hand-wringing - and sometimes it is - other times i don't think so... other times it's patience that Americans aren't used to after "ol shoot from the hip dubya"

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:

ASUG8 wrote:Not really too much of a surprise - she and BHO were at each other's throats until he won the Dem nod. I was a little surprised she took the SoS position given who her boss would be, and it sounds like she's found that her concerns were well founded. I never really cared much for her, but I somehow think she'd be a lot more decisive on things than BHO.

I agree she'd likely be more decisive - for good and ill... i don't always object to obama's more patient approach... some call it hand-wringing - and sometimes it is - other times i don't think so... other times it's patience that Americans aren't used to after "ol shoot from the hip dubya"

I'm no Obama apologist - the guy is not living up to his own billing and certainly not living up to the hype
however...
I agree we are so attuned to quick decisions - often quick wrong decisions - that sometimes the best decision is to do nothing and as Americans we really do not understand "do nothing" as a solution... but I'm here to tell you if we did a lot more "nothing" internationally we'd be multiple billions of dollars less in debt and a whole lot better off

Sometimes "Nothing" is perfect
But I've come to notice we do not like it - do something even if its the wrong thing seems more pleasing

Chizzang wrote:

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
I agree she'd likely be more decisive - for good and ill... i don't always object to obama's more patient approach... some call it hand-wringing - and sometimes it is - other times i don't think so... other times it's patience that Americans aren't used to after "ol shoot from the hip dubya"

I'm no Obama apologist - the guy is not living up to his own billing and certainly not living up to the hype
however...
I agree we are so attuned to quick decisions - often quick wrong decisions - that sometimes the best decision is to do nothing and as Americans we really do not understand "do nothing" as a solution... but I'm here to tell you if we did a lot more "nothing" internationally we'd be multiple billions of dollars less in debt and a whole lot better off

Sometimes "Nothing" is perfect
But I've come to notice we do not like it - do something even if its the wrong thing seems more pleasing

You're absolutely right - I've long thought that we had no business continuing to be world policemen when we've got a multitude of domestic issues to combat within our own borders. We could continue humanitarian missions when necessary and start letting China and Russia start pulling their weight a bit. We've been a nation of plenty and provided military and humanitarian support for so long that when the economy hits the skids no one else is available to step up to the plate. It's tough to look at genocide or starvation occuring and doing nothing, but we can't continue writing checks we can't cash.

ASUG8 wrote:

Chizzang wrote:

I'm no Obama apologist - the guy is not living up to his own billing and certainly not living up to the hype
however...
I agree we are so attuned to quick decisions - often quick wrong decisions - that sometimes the best decision is to do nothing and as Americans we really do not understand "do nothing" as a solution... but I'm here to tell you if we did a lot more "nothing" internationally we'd be multiple billions of dollars less in debt and a whole lot better off

Sometimes "Nothing" is perfect
But I've come to notice we do not like it - do something even if its the wrong thing seems more pleasing

You're absolutely right - I've long thought that we had no business continuing to be world policemen when we've got a multitude of domestic issues to combat within our own borders. We could continue humanitarian missions when necessary and start letting China and Russia start pulling their weight a bit. We've been a nation of plenty and provided military and humanitarian support for so long that when the economy hits the skids no one else is available to step up to the plate. It's tough to look at genocide or starvation occuring and doing nothing, but we can't continue writing checks we can't cash.

Thing is - I take the view that we're still world leaders, and I stand by that - especially with regard to humanitarian missions... but when it comes to injecting ourselves in to other corners of the world (where frankly our presence might do more harm than good for those who we would like to see succeed) I am skeptical that our intervening will result in the outcome we want.

Much like Iran two years ago - anything we did would have hurt the green revolution (that lost on that day - but isn't dead and buried forever) I find that I like Obama's approach of letting a situation play out a bit before jumping to conclusions - and making rash decisions. I think it worked very well in Egypt - where our influence was more overt and real, and was exercised in such a way as to achieve maximum impact at a most critical moment.

We don't have influence like that in Libya - in fact, our European allies do... much more than we do... and they should be taking the lead here for that very reason.

Chizzang wrote:

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
I agree she'd likely be more decisive - for good and ill... i don't always object to obama's more patient approach... some call it hand-wringing - and sometimes it is - other times i don't think so... other times it's patience that Americans aren't used to after "ol shoot from the hip dubya"

I'm no Obama apologist - the guy is not living up to his own billing and certainly not living up to the hype
however...
I agree we are so attuned to quick decisions - often quick wrong decisions - that sometimes the best decision is to do nothing and as Americans we really do not understand "do nothing" as a solution... but I'm here to tell you if we did a lot more "nothing" internationally we'd be multiple billions of dollars less in debt and a whole lot better off

Sometimes "Nothing" is perfect
But I've come to notice we do not like it - do something even if its the wrong thing seems more pleasing

Count me in those who don't understand doing "nothing". It's much easier to course correct than to take no course at all.

In the words of a wise Army General, "a good plan, executed immediately and with the proper force, is better than the perfect plan executed next week."

Chizzang wrote:

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
I agree she'd likely be more decisive - for good and ill... i don't always object to obama's more patient approach... some call it hand-wringing - and sometimes it is - other times i don't think so... other times it's patience that Americans aren't used to after "ol shoot from the hip dubya"

I'm no Obama apologist - the guy is not living up to his own billing and certainly not living up to the hype
however...
I agree we are so attuned to quick decisions - often quick wrong decisions - that sometimes the best decision is to do nothing and as Americans we really do not understand "do nothing" as a solution... but I'm here to tell you if we did a lot more "nothing" internationally we'd be multiple billions of dollars less in debt and a whole lot better off

Sometimes "Nothing" is perfect
But I've come to notice we do not like it - do something even if its the wrong thing seems more pleasing

Yeah, why would we want to continue to be world leaders. We should just follow for a while and see where it takes us.

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:

ASUG8 wrote:Not really too much of a surprise - she and BHO were at each other's throats until he won the Dem nod. I was a little surprised she took the SoS position given who her boss would be, and it sounds like she's found that her concerns were well founded. I never really cared much for her, but I somehow think she'd be a lot more decisive on things than BHO.

I agree she'd likely be more decisive - for good and ill... i don't always object to obama's more patient approach... some call it hand-wringing - and sometimes it is - other times i don't think so... other times it's patience that Americans aren't used to after "ol shoot from the hip dubya"

The issue is similar to Bush Sr. saying Hussein should step down, encouraging the Shiites in Southern Iraq to rebel, and then doing nothing except establishing the no fly zone.

Rob Iola wrote:

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
I agree she'd likely be more decisive - for good and ill... i don't always object to obama's more patient approach... some call it hand-wringing - and sometimes it is - other times i don't think so... other times it's patience that Americans aren't used to after "ol shoot from the hip dubya"

The issue is similar to Bush Sr. saying Hussein should step down, encouraging the Shiites in Southern Iraq to rebel, and then doing nothing except establishing the no fly zone.

while i see some tenuous connections - the two situations were entirely different.

in 91 - we were already at war with Hussein, and HW implied that we would assist them in rising up... then we didn't

here we've voiced support for their efforts but, as tunisia and egypt demonstrated - we weren't planning on directly involving ourselves...

89Hen wrote:

Chizzang wrote:

I'm no Obama apologist - the guy is not living up to his own billing and certainly not living up to the hype
however...
I agree we are so attuned to quick decisions - often quick wrong decisions - that sometimes the best decision is to do nothing and as Americans we really do not understand "do nothing" as a solution... but I'm here to tell you if we did a lot more "nothing" internationally we'd be multiple billions of dollars less in debt and a whole lot better off

Sometimes "Nothing" is perfect
But I've come to notice we do not like it - do something even if its the wrong thing seems more pleasing

Yeah, why would we want to continue to be world leaders. We should just follow for a while and see where it takes us.

Right... Let's trip all over our dick again (and again)
If you define the word leader to mean - Giant buffoon with a HUGE military and no common sense then, Yeah we're the leader of that gang for sure

There are many ways to lead.. and Ham fisted is certainly one way

Chizzang wrote: I'm no Obama apologist - the guy is not living up to his own billing and certainly not living up to the hype
however...
I agree we are so attuned to quick decisions - often quick wrong decisions - that sometimes the best decision is to do nothing and as Americans we really do not understand "do nothing" as a solution... but I'm here to tell you if we did a lot more "nothing" internationally we'd be multiple billions of dollars less in debt and a whole lot better off

Sometimes "Nothing" is perfect
But I've come to notice we do not like it - do something even if its the wrong thing seems more pleasing

Nothing is perfect sometimes. In fact, I'd advocate it more than most.

But opening your mouth on the world's stage to tell one oppressive civilian killing leader to step down, while bedding several other oppressive civilian killing leaders, is ridiculous. If I were an Arab who believed that Bush was the evil part of America, and that America was really a collection of good people ready for change...well...in the last couple weeks I just learned that Bush was not actually the problem and that America really doesn't care about the Arab people.

Well done, Mr. Change.

Cluck U wrote:

Chizzang wrote: I'm no Obama apologist - the guy is not living up to his own billing and certainly not living up to the hype
however...
I agree we are so attuned to quick decisions - often quick wrong decisions - that sometimes the best decision is to do nothing and as Americans we really do not understand "do nothing" as a solution... but I'm here to tell you if we did a lot more "nothing" internationally we'd be multiple billions of dollars less in debt and a whole lot better off

Sometimes "Nothing" is perfect
But I've come to notice we do not like it - do something even if its the wrong thing seems more pleasing

Nothing is perfect sometimes. In fact, I'd advocate it more than most.

But opening your mouth on the world's stage to tell one oppressive civilian killing leader to step down, while bedding several other oppressive civilian killing leaders, is ridiculous. If I were an Arab who believed that Bush was the evil part of America, and that America was really a collection of good people ready for change...well...in the last couple weeks I just learned that Bush was not actually the problem and that America really doesn't care about the Arab people.

Well done, Mr. Change.

Then you'd be the Arab farthest behind the curve. The rest of them have known for decades exactly what we base our relationship on..

AZGrizFan wrote:

Chizzang wrote:

I'm no Obama apologist - the guy is not living up to his own billing and certainly not living up to the hype
however...
I agree we are so attuned to quick decisions - often quick wrong decisions - that sometimes the best decision is to do nothing and as Americans we really do not understand "do nothing" as a solution... but I'm here to tell you if we did a lot more "nothing" internationally we'd be multiple billions of dollars less in debt and a whole lot better off

Sometimes "Nothing" is perfect
But I've come to notice we do not like it - do something even if its the wrong thing seems more pleasing

Count me in those who don't understand doing "nothing". It's much easier to course correct than to take no course at all.

In the words of a wise Army General, "a good plan, executed immediately and with the proper force, is better than the perfect plan executed next week."

Our current "course corrections" are costing a couple billion a week; maybe we should get them a little more corrected before we set off on new corrections.....

I would invade Saudi Arabia right now. Begin under the ruse of sending troops to bolster their security, then disable their forces without firing a shot, seize the oil facilities, execute the Bush collaborators, and live happily ever after.

And, do it real quick, starting yesterday.

But that's just me..

Wedgebuster wrote:I would invade Saudi Arabia right now. Begin under the ruse of sending troops to bolster their security, then disable their forces without firing a shot, seize the oil facilities, execute the Bush collaborators, and live happily ever after.

And, do it real quick, starting yesterday.

But that's just me..

Great idea!


If only we had some troops......

Wedgebuster wrote:I would invade Saudi Arabia right now. Begin under the ruse of sending troops to bolster their security, then disable their forces without firing a shot, seize the oil facilities, execute the Bush collaborators, and live happily ever after.

And, do it real quick, starting yesterday.

But that's just me..

while we're at it, we could demand the Sudetenland back too! I like the way you think Wedge...

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:

Wedgebuster wrote:I would invade Saudi Arabia right now. Begin under the ruse of sending troops to bolster their security, then disable their forces without firing a shot, seize the oil facilities, execute the Bush collaborators, and live happily ever after.

And, do it real quick, starting yesterday.

But that's just me..

while we're at it, we could demand the Sudetenland back too! I like the way you think Wedge...

Oh man, that is a great idea!

Wait 'till we get to the part about turning Egypt into the Middle East's Sin City, together with unprecedented resorts/casinos, hash bars, opium dens, and the worlds greatest ever selection of blonds only whore ranches.

Gonna be fuckin' classic..