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A TRUE AMERICAN!

Your boy is going to spend the rest of his life in a small cube, Bubba.

You and the rest of the tinfoil helmet gang go ahead and scream yourselves hoarse.

That manic stage is a bitch, isn't it, cm?

Manning should fry. With Assange, if possible, in a big omelet of androgynous traitors.

Obama Torturing a gay soldier...not cool

I just love how the pro-military, pro globalist asshats on this board enjoy supporting a regime and the empire's efforts to shut up a true patriot who will expose the war crimes our "heroes" commit on innocents around the world. Enjoy supporting the world's police state. It won't last forever.

Ivytalk wrote:That manic stage is a bitch, isn't it, cm?

Manning should fry. With Assange, if possible, in a big omelet of androgynous traitors.

Yes. Assange is truly a traitor... to Australia.

Hey, this guy dug his own hole in the ground that he'll be stuck in for the rest of his life. And in the grand scheme of things, he did it for very little - the world hasn't and won't be changed because of this. Poor schmuck.

Ivytalk wrote:That manic stage is a bitch, isn't it, cm?

Manning should fry. With Assange, if possible, in a big omelet of androgynous traitors.

Frankly I LOVE what Julian Assange did..!!!
God bless him - may anarchy and transparency reign

GannonFan wrote:Hey, this guy dug his own hole in the ground that he'll be stuck in for the rest of his life. And in the grand scheme of things, he did it for very little - the world hasn't and won't be changed because of this. Poor schmuck.

So you think we've heard the last of wikileaks, anonymous, and other whistleblower media outlets?

kalm wrote:

GannonFan wrote:Hey, this guy dug his own hole in the ground that he'll be stuck in for the rest of his life. And in the grand scheme of things, he did it for very little - the world hasn't and won't be changed because of this. Poor schmuck.

So you think we've heard the last of wikileaks, anonymous, and other whistleblower media outlets?

Of course we haven't - but it's not like whistleblowing was created by wikileaks. We've always had whistleblowing and always will, and plenty of times they are very useful and very important that the whistleblowing happened. In this case, eh, how has the US missions in Iraq or Afghanistan, or anywhere else, changed because of these leaks? People knew before this that we aren't saints and no one is really shocked to have more proof of that. There'll always be saps like Manning who have delusions of grandeur that they really are making a difference by going out of the other avenues available to them, and some of them will be right. This guy, though, has committed himself to a lifetime of living in in a Supermax prison with an hour of daylight at the most and the only thing that changed because of his sacrifice is that US diplomats may think twice before using funny names to describe foreign collegues. Luckily for Manning, he probably won't have access to news and such that will just be a constant reminder, ever more so as the years go on, that his sacrifice just becomes forgotten.

Key point: If you're in the military and you sign up for that deal, you honor and abide by the rules you agreed to

If you're Julian Assange - a publisher - You go man..!!!!! (More power to ya)

Chizzang wrote:Key point: If you're in the military and you sign up for that deal, you honor and abide by the rules you agreed to

If you're Julian Assange - a publisher - You go man..!!!!! (More power to ya)

Agree. Manning should fry...Assange should be commended...

GannonFan wrote:

kalm wrote:
So you think we've heard the last of wikileaks, anonymous, and other whistleblower media outlets?

Of course we haven't - but it's not like whistleblowing was created by wikileaks. We've always had whistleblowing and always will, and plenty of times they are very useful and very important that the whistleblowing happened. In this case, eh, how has the US missions in Iraq or Afghanistan, or anywhere else, changed because of these leaks? People knew before this that we aren't saints and no one is really shocked to have more proof of that. There'll always be saps like Manning who have delusions of grandeur that they really are making a difference by going out of the other avenues available to them, and some of them will be right. This guy, though, has committed himself to a lifetime of living in in a Supermax prison with an hour of daylight at the most and the only thing that changed because of his sacrifice is that US diplomats may think twice before using funny names to describe foreign collegues. Luckily for Manning, he probably won't have access to news and such that will just be a constant reminder, ever more so as the years go on, that his sacrifice just becomes forgotten.

Appaholic wrote:

Chizzang wrote:Key point: If you're in the military and you sign up for that deal, you honor and abide by the rules you agreed to

If you're Julian Assange - a publisher - You go man..!!!!! (More power to ya)

Agree. Manning should fry...Assange should be commended...

Well, if this isn't a "we are the world" moment. Cleetus, Appa and AZ all agreeing.

AZGrizFan wrote:

Appaholic wrote:
Agree. Manning should fry...Assange should be commended...

Well, if this isn't a "we are the world" moment. Cleetus, Appa and AZ all agreeing.

I love you guys man...

I'm still considering GannonFan's post. Probably POTY material.

If there were really any "smoking guns" it would be information at the "secret" and "top secret" levels. Not at the "restricted" level. Manning isn't a whistle-blower, and Assange is just a punk out for fame and riches (what happened to all the information you got on Bank of America, Assange? Sell it back to them for a cut of the bailout money?)

CID1990 wrote:Your boy is going to spend the rest of his life in a small cube, Bubba.

You and the rest of the tinfoil helmet gang go ahead and scream yourselves hoarse.

Too bad he won't face a firing squad. There is no useful purpose for his continued existence, and a colorful, violent execution would properly "encourage" would be imitators.

so the fact that he is a human being is of no importance? This is the same mindset that Washington's imperalist army takes on the minute they sign up and check their brains at the door at the recruiting station. Pathetic!

native wrote:

CID1990 wrote:Your boy is going to spend the rest of his life in a small cube, Bubba.

You and the rest of the tinfoil helmet gang go ahead and scream yourselves hoarse.

Too bad he won't face a firing squad. There is no useful purpose for his continued existence, and a colorful, violent execution would properly "encourage" would be imitators.

Tell us all about the deterrent effects of the death penalty, ablative.

Appaholic wrote:

Chizzang wrote:Key point: If you're in the military and you sign up for that deal, you honor and abide by the rules you agreed to

If you're Julian Assange - a publisher - You go man..!!!!! (More power to ya)

Agree. Manning should fry...Assange should be commended...

And Mannings chain-of-command should be fucked over for letting a Pfc handle diplomatic traffic.

Still waiting for the bombshell revalations.....

Ambassador to Mexico fired for telling the truth about Mexican incompetence and corruption.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110324/ap_ ... aks_mexico" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Is this what everyone had in mind when they said that Wikileaks is so great?

native wrote:Ambassador to Mexico fired for telling the truth about Mexican incompetence and corruption.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110324/ap_ ... aks_mexico" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Is this what everyone had in mind when they said that Wikileaks is so great?

That is disappointing, but inevitable.

Successful foreign policy depends largely on diplomats being able to report back to Washington in a frank and honest manner. This ambassador was not really saying anything that we don't already know about Mexico, but now our ability to get ground truth there (as with anywhere else) has been severely hampered.

CID1990 wrote:

native wrote:Ambassador to Mexico fired for telling the truth about Mexican incompetence and corruption.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110324/ap_ ... aks_mexico" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Is this what everyone had in mind when they said that Wikileaks is so great?

That is disappointing, but inevitable.

Successful foreign policy depends largely on diplomats being able to report back to Washington in a frank and honest manner. This ambassador was not really saying anything that we don't already know about Mexico, but now our ability to get ground truth there (as with anywhere else) has been severely hampered.

Tough titties.

If the Mexican government has a problem with the truth, then they should fix the problems instead of pretending they doesn't exist. The next Ambassador should be just as frank...no need to hide stuff, we aren't in 7th grade anymore.

Oh, and the Kenyan government is corrupt? Hey, there's news. When dealing with a bunch of drug dealing, money stealing thugs, you want to make sure you treat them as though they are honest people. Wink, wink...nudge nudge. It makes business so much easier.

Of course, the best part is where we made the Libyan ambassador come back home because of his reports that Khadafi was a bit eccentric. We can bomb him, but we can't call him names.

Cluck U wrote:

CID1990 wrote:
That is disappointing, but inevitable.

Successful foreign policy depends largely on diplomats being able to report back to Washington in a frank and honest manner. This ambassador was not really saying anything that we don't already know about Mexico, but now our ability to get ground truth there (as with anywhere else) has been severely hampered.

Tough titties.

If the Mexican government has a problem with the truth, then they should fix the problems instead of pretending they doesn't exist. The next Ambassador should be just as frank...no need to hide stuff, we aren't in 7th grade anymore.

Oh, and the Kenyan government is corrupt? Hey, there's news. When dealing with a bunch of drug dealing, money stealing thugs, you want to make sure you treat them as though they are honest people. Wink, wink...nudge nudge. It makes business so much easier.

Of course, the best part is where we made the Libyan ambassador come back home because of his reports that Khadafi was a bit eccentric. We can bomb him, but we can't call him names.

Cluck,

I share your visceral reactions but agree with CID that there must be a place for discretion, secrets, and even machiavellian deceipt - NOT in domestic politics - but in foreign "diplomacy."

Your point about gadaffy is some funny shee-at though!