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This will officially be "crickets" from the pro-corporate Right Wingers...

or we'll hear this batch of lies

1) Because U.S. CEO's are worth it... (but somehow the workers aren't)
2) Because they successfully navigated the company through the recession (while workers took pay cuts)
3) Because fair trade and commerce set the gong pay rate for CEO's (while cutting back other expenses)

4) They are the "makers". Who are you to set the pay of the producers.

Chizzang wrote:This will officially be "crickets" from the pro-corporate Right Wingers...

or we'll hear this batch of lies

1) Because U.S. CEO's are worth it... (but somehow the workers aren't)
2) Because they successfully navigated the company through the recession (while workers took pay cuts)
3) Because fair trade and commerce set the gong pay rate for CEO's (while cutting back other expenses)

and yet it's poor people with an "entitlement mentality"

Aha! I've discovered the Donk sob-sister rich-bashing thread!
The workers control the means of production!

Ivytalk wrote:Aha! I've discovered the Donk sob-sister rich-bashing thread!
The workers control the means of production!

Norma Rae shall kick thy kiester to the sun thou blasphemousness naive.

Chizzang wrote:This will officially be "crickets" from the pro-corporate Right Wingers...

or we'll hear this batch of lies

1) Because U.S. CEO's are worth it... (but somehow the workers aren't)
2) Because they successfully navigated the company through the recession (while workers took pay cuts)
3) Because fair trade and commerce set the gong pay rate for CEO's (while cutting back other expenses)

And why do you say those statements are lies?

This is how I'd put it: If what a worker has to offer is valuable enough, they'll be paid appropriately. It is a supply and demand thing.

If workers don't ike what they're being paid to do a paritcular job, they are free not to do that job. If what they have to offer is worth more than they're being paid, they should have no problem offering their services to someone else and get paid what they deserve.

The problem is that, in most cases, a lot of people can do the same job about as well. So there's nothing paritcularly unique or necessessary about the particular worker involved.

Apparently, companies think that persons who are capable of being effective CEOs are a far rarer commodity. And, frankly, they probably are.

Thank you, President Obama.

Funny, when wages were stagnant 8 years ago, Donks shifted the blame towards the president and his economic policies. I wonder why that isn't happening now?

Funny, when wages were stagnant 8 years ago, Conks shifted the blame away from the president and his economic policies. I wonder why that isn't happening now?

Skjellyfetti wrote:Funny, when wages were stagnant 8 years ago, Conks shifted the blame away from the president and his economic policies. I wonder why that isn't happening now?

Examples?

Baldy wrote: Funny, when wages were stagnant 8 years ago, Donks shifted the blame towards the president and his economic policies. I wonder why that isn't happening now?

Examples?

JohnStOnge wrote:

Chizzang wrote:This will officially be "crickets" from the pro-corporate Right Wingers...

or we'll hear this batch of lies

1) Because U.S. CEO's are worth it... (but somehow the workers aren't)
2) Because they successfully navigated the company through the recession (while workers took pay cuts)
3) Because fair trade and commerce set the gong pay rate for CEO's (while cutting back other expenses)

And why do you say those statements are lies?

This is how I'd put it: If what a worker has to offer is valuable enough, they'll be paid appropriately. It is a supply and demand thing.

If workers don't ike what they're being paid to do a paritcular job, they are free not to do that job. If what they have to offer is worth more than they're being paid, they should have no problem offering their services to someone else and get paid what they deserve.

The problem is that, in most cases, a lot of people can do the same job about as well. So there's nothing paritcularly unique or necessessary about the particular worker involved.

Apparently, companies think that persons who are capable of being effective CEOs are a far rarer commodity. And, frankly, they probably are.

I made $8 an hour as a temp when I got out of the Navy in 1994. I realized very quickly that wasn't a hell of a lot of fun. I also realized very quickly I wanted to be the one MAKING the decisions, and not the one living with someone elses decisions.

Oh and, Chizzy....when my employees took a paycut, I ALSO took a pay cut. One shouldn't paint with so broad a brush.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

Baldy wrote: Funny, when wages were stagnant 8 years ago, Donks shifted the blame towards the president and his economic policies. I wonder why that isn't happening now?

Examples?

Didn't think so...

JohnStOnge wrote:And why do you say those statements are lies?

This is how I'd put it: If what a worker has to offer is valuable enough, they'll be paid appropriately. It is a supply and demand thing.

In the early 1990's this society finally realized the value of the CEO, pay went up accordingly.

Let's just implement more socialist and redistributionist policies. That will solve the problem!

This thread is pretty much what I expected
Everybody lines up on their proper sides and defends their positions

Chizzang wrote:This thread is pretty much what I expected
Everybody lines up on their proper sides and defends their positions

For the record, I take your point but reject your implied moral equivalence argument.

Sometimes truth is in the middle, but not always. Sometimes the middle yields only mush and obfuscation.

native wrote:Let's just implement more socialist and redistributionist policies. That will solve the problem!

As as opposed to the wealth concentration policies we have now.


America was much more productive when we had high tax rates on those that made millions.

Time to return to that.

native wrote:Let's just implement more socialist and redistributionist policies. That will solve the problem!

The republican 'solution' to every problem: deny that they exist at all, or just blame them on 'socialist' liberals.

Grizalltheway wrote:

native wrote:Let's just implement more socialist and redistributionist policies. That will solve the problem!

The republican 'solution' to every problem: deny that they exist at all, or just blame them on 'socialist' liberals.

...and sometimes the left yields only mush and obfuscation.

The leftist solution is to punish the innocent and reward the guilty.

Grizalltheway wrote:

native wrote:Let's just implement more socialist and redistributionist policies. That will solve the problem!

The republican 'solution' to every problem: deny that they exist at all, or just blame them on 'socialist' liberals.

I don't believe any of the Republicans on this thread see the situation as a problem at all...
Let them eat cake - has been the general feedback

After our completely corrupt banking system gets bailed out by tax payers and then bonuses itself billions shortly thereafter surely this little gaff isn't an indication of anything other than a mild "fuck off"

Chizzang wrote:

Grizalltheway wrote:
The republican 'solution' to every problem: deny that they exist at all, or just blame them on 'socialist' liberals.

I don't believe any of the Republicans on this thread see the situation as a problem at all...
Let them eat cake - has been the general feedback ...

NO! Cake be dammed! Set the system right so that everyone has a better chance to make a living. STOP creating, rewarding and perpetuating sloth, tyranny and failure.

native wrote:

Chizzang wrote:

I don't believe any of the Republicans on this thread see the situation as a problem at all...
Let them eat cake - has been the general feedback ...

NO! Cake be dammed! Set the system right and stop creating and rewarding failure so that everyone has a better chance to make a living.

There is no solution...
If I'm a CEO and I get to write my own contract I'd do the same damn thing
on the other side - if you create a program designed around helping the honest person build from the bottom - the lazy will corrupt it and break it down...

The poor in America are getting more and more effective at doing less and extracting more
While the Elite Wealthy are doing the same thing - and what's so funny is how both sides (behaving identically) hate each other with a passion...

I guess we really are what we hate

Here's my solution: Re-arrange the deck chairs on the titanic I want a great view while it lasts

Chizzang wrote:

native wrote:

NO! Cake be dammed! Set the system right and stop creating and rewarding failure so that everyone has a better chance to make a living.

There is no solution...
If I'm a CEO and I get to write my own contract I'd do the same damn thing
on the other side - if you create a program designed around helping the honest person build from the bottom - the lazy will corrupt it and break it down...

The poor in America are getting more and more effective at doing less and extracting more
While the Elite Wealthy are doing the same thing - and what's so funny is how both sides (behaving identically) hate each other with a passion...

I guess we really are what we hate

Here's my solution: Re-arrange the deck chairs on the titanic I want a great view while it lasts

Thanks to the Tea party it will last a lot longer than you think.

You and I will not be there for the end.

Chizzang wrote:

native wrote:

NO! Cake be dammed! Set the system right and stop creating and rewarding failure so that everyone has a better chance to make a living.

There is no solution...
If I'm a CEO and I get to write my own contract I'd do the same damn thing
on the other side - if you create a program designed around helping the honest person build from the bottom - the lazy will corrupt it and break it down...

The poor in America are getting more and more effective at doing less and extracting more
While the Elite Wealthy are doing the same thing - and what's so funny is how both sides (behaving identically) hate each other with a passion...

I guess we really are what we hate

Here's my solution: Re-arrange the deck chairs on the titanic I want a great view while it lasts

Politics is the subtle art of obtaining rich peoples' money and poor peoples' votes.