How Will Conks Spin Obama's Triumph Into A Scandal?

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The only scandalous thing about this episode is the idea that who the President is at the time made a difference in the CIA and military getting the guy. Yes, it may have happened at a somewhat different time in a somewhat different way. But who the President was, I think, had very little to do with the fact that the quarry was located and eliminated.

Like I was watching MSNBC the day after. The line was that "It all began" with Obama telling Leon P. to get Ben Laden. Please. As though the nation's intelligence and military apparatus needed to be told by Obama to get Ben Laden.
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JohnStOnge wrote:The only scandalous thing about this episode is the idea that who the President is at the time made a difference in the CIA and military getting the guy. Yes, it may have happened at a somewhat different time in a somewhat different way. But who the President was, I think, had very little to do with the fact that the quarry was located and eliminated.

Like I was watching MSNBC the day after. The line was that "It all began" with Obama telling Leon P. to get Ben Laden. Please. As though the nation's intelligence and military apparatus needed to be told by Obama to get Ben Laden.
Obviously, it all began when the outgoing Clinton administration warned the Bush administration that getting Bin Laden should be their number one priority.
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The twisting and turning here began with one of the Doobie Brothers (AKA D1B and Cap'n Cat) who asked how the right would spin this.

I thought that was ironic, given that the facts here are so juicy and ripe that no spin is needed. At the time of the post, I was just enjoying the fact that we got the guy, not really caring that Obama will RIGHTFULLY get some credit for this. He is the President, and he gave the order, and it was a ballsy one given the intelligence on that compound.

That being said, Fatboy Troll threw down the gauntlet and I responded. Since that post, no one single Obama supporting poster has come even close to addressing the central issue I brought up, which is that the road to OBL began with intelligence gleaned from detainees at Gitmo, specifically two detainees who were subjected to every form of interrogation we had at our disposal at one time or another.

The best any of you have been able to do is silly pictures. Only SK was dumb enough to actually try to play games with the semantics.

I'm glad Obama got the guy. Just don't come on here claiming everything short of that he fast roped into the place himself and personally buggered OBL in the butt before putting one in his head. It was a team effort that began in 2001, and the irony here is that Obama and the rest of the screamy head anti-Gitmo people were on the wrong side of the issue concerning one of Bush's most unpopular GWT measures.

So if anyone cares to have a substantive discussion on the matter, or somehow make a lucid argument that we would have gotten OBL without the intelligence stream that began at Gitmo, then let's have at it.
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Hard to argue when their own man is on video saying its so.


CIA Director Says Intel from Waterboarding Led to Bin Laden Raid (video at source)
Fox Nation ^ | May 3, 2011

On the role of interrogation:

BRIAN WILLIAMS: Can you confirm that it was as a result of water boarding that we learned what we needed to learn to go after Bin Laden?

LEON PANETTA: Brian, in the intelligence business you work from a lot of sources of information and that was true here... It's a little difficult to say it was due just to one source of information that we got... I think some of the detainees clearly were, you know, they used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of these detainees. But I'm also saying that, you know, the debate about whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always going to be an open question.

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Bronco wrote:Hard to argue when their own man is on video saying its so.


CIA Director Says Intel from Waterboarding Led to Bin Laden Raid (video at source)
Fox Nation ^ | May 3, 2011

On the role of interrogation:

BRIAN WILLIAMS: Can you confirm that it was as a result of water boarding that we learned what we needed to learn to go after Bin Laden?

LEON PANETTA: Brian, in the intelligence business you work from a lot of sources of information and that was true here... It's a little difficult to say it was due just to one source of information that we got... I think some of the detainees clearly were, you know, they used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of these detainees. But I'm also saying that, you know, the debate about whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always going to be an open question.

(Excerpt) Read more at nation.foxnews.com ...
I think that if the answer to Brian Williams' question was "NO", Panetta would have answered that way before Williams even finished the question.
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What's going on with Panetta

Panetta: Obama Couldn't Watch Bin Laden's Death but Heard 'Geronimo' Signal(video)
PBS ^ | May 3, 2011

In a newsmaker interview with Jim Lehrer on Tuesday, CIA Director Leon Panetta describes the final tense seconds of the commando raid on the compound housing Osama bin Laden in Pakistan.

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I've seen that Obummer is a pussy but strange that his boys are starting to talk about it.

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This one is hearsay but still a strange string of Panetta stories

Obama Hesitated: Panetta Issued Order to Kill bin Laden
socyberty.com ^ | 5.3.2011 | Ulsterman

"I was told – in these exact terms, “we overruled him.” (Obama) I have since followed up and received further details on exactly what that meant, as well as the specifics of how Leon Panetta worked around the president’s “persistent hesitation to act.” There appears NOT to have been an outright overruling of any specific position by President Obama, simply because there was no specific position from the president to do so. President Obama was, in this case, as in all others, working as an absentee president."

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Bronco wrote:This one is hearsay but still a strange string of Panetta stories

Obama Hesitated: Panetta Issued Order to Kill bin Laden
socyberty.com ^ | 5.3.2011 | Ulsterman

"I was told – in these exact terms, “we overruled him.” (Obama) I have since followed up and received further details on exactly what that meant, as well as the specifics of how Leon Panetta worked around the president’s “persistent hesitation to act.” There appears NOT to have been an outright overruling of any specific position by President Obama, simply because there was no specific position from the president to do so. President Obama was, in this case, as in all others, working as an absentee president."

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Skjellyfetti wrote:
blueballs wrote:Simple answer... if they don't release the video or photographic evidence that is indisputable of the takedown a scandal will ensue.
They've decided to release a photo.

Now the teabaggers will demand a death certificate.
When does the photo come out?

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Barack Obama kept military commanders hanging by declaring he would 'sleep on it' before taking 16 hours to give the go-ahead to raid Bin Laden's compound.

But the president stunned officials when he told a national security meeting that he wanted more time to think - and disappeared out of the room.

'I'm not going to tell you what my decision is now - I'm going to go back and think about it some more,' said Obama, according to the New York Times. He then added 'I'm going to make a decision soon.'

The head of the CIA and other senior intelligence officers who were keen to proceed were left tense as they waited for the president's decision.


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more importantly, what will Van Jones and his merry band of "Truthers" have to say about this
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eagleskins wrote:Sunday night marked the end of Baldy's brand new Formica table.
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A great victory for the School of the Americas! I'll bet them ragheads wisht they hadn't messed with us now. :coffee:
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JohnStOnge wrote:The only scandalous thing about this episode is the idea that who the President is at the time made a difference in the CIA and military getting the guy. Yes, it may have happened at a somewhat different time in a somewhat different way. But who the President was, I think, had very little to do with the fact that the quarry was located and eliminated.

Like I was watching MSNBC the day after. The line was that "It all began" with Obama telling Leon P. to get Ben Laden. Please. As though the nation's intelligence and military apparatus needed to be told by Obama to get Ben Laden.
Stop hating our freedoms, John. The President is in charge of the military. :ohno:

Bush in charge of military = eight years of miserable failure and futility and a resurgence of the Taliban.

Obama in charge of the military = Public enemy #1 dead.

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Now lets hope he is smart enough to declare victory and gtfo.
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houndawg wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:The only scandalous thing about this episode is the idea that who the President is at the time made a difference in the CIA and military getting the guy. Yes, it may have happened at a somewhat different time in a somewhat different way. But who the President was, I think, had very little to do with the fact that the quarry was located and eliminated.

Like I was watching MSNBC the day after. The line was that "It all began" with Obama telling Leon P. to get Ben Laden. Please. As though the nation's intelligence and military apparatus needed to be told by Obama to get Ben Laden.
Stop hating our freedoms, John. The President is in charge of the military. :ohno:

Bush in charge of military = eight years of miserable failure and futility and a resurgence of the Taliban.

Obama in charge of the military = Public enemy #1 dead.

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Now lets hope he is smart enough to declare victory and gtfo.

I have yet to see any military failures either under Bush or Obama. Not sure what you are talking about.

How about drum up a bunch of links for us or something?
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houndawg wrote:Bush in charge of military = eight years of miserable failure and futility and a resurgence of the Taliban.
You're such a liberal lemming. :lol:
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houndawg wrote: Stop hating our freedoms, John. The President is in charge of the military. :ohno:

Bush in charge of military = eight years of miserable failure and futility and a resurgence of the Taliban.

Obama in charge of the military = Public enemy #1 dead.'
Now lets hope he is smart enough to declare victory and gtfo.

WRONG. Having the Playstation Network go down is what caught Osama.
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