Can black people be racist?

[grizzaholic]

Opie, I need your insight on this issue.

[93henfan]

I'm not Opie, but the answer is yes. Everyone is inherently racist to some degree. Becoming tolerant is a learned skill.

[LeadBolt]

I'm not Opie, but the answer is yes. Everyone is inherently racist to some degree. Becoming tolerant is a learned skill.

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[Grizalltheway]

Race baiters.

[JohnStOnge]

Of course they can. I've heard the gobbledygook about racism requiring power, but here are the two definitioins of "Racism" from Merriam Webster:

1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2: racial prejudice or discrimination

Nothing in those definitions about requiring that being at a power advantage is a necessary condition of having racist inclinations. And the reference to "prejudice" really opens it up. I won't post all the definitions of "prejudice" but one of them is simply "preconceived judgment or opinion." I hope nobody is going to try to keep a straight face while typing that they disagree with the proposition that there are people of all races who tend to have pre conceived judgements and opinions about members of other races.

[JohnStOnge]

Take this guy:

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His entire edifice is based upon two false premises, expressed in the following language:

For an argument that claims that everybody can be racist to be valid, two things have to be true: (1) all racial groups must exist in a state of equality a priori and (2) racism must be reduced to (a) race prejudice and/or (b) purposeful action,

The first premise is directly false. The condition that all recial groups exist in a state of equality a priori is not necessary in order for it to be true that everybody can be racist. He simply made up a condition that does not exist. The second false premise is implied. The implied premise is that racsism cannot be "reduced to a race prejudice and/or purposeful action. Racism most certainly CAN be reduced to a race prejudice.

The problem with people like the author is that they want to change the definition of racism in order to assure themselves that Blacks can't be racist. Sorry, but the rest of us are not obligated to accept ditching the definitions of the term. They are what they are. And Blacks are certainly capable of developing attitudes that fit the definitions.

[SuperHornet]

Not if you're U of Delaware. By definition according to their own internal propaganda, white people are racist by definition. While no other races are mentioned, the rather strong implication there is that all other races are somehow perfect.

Of course, they've since "officially" backed off of that, but one wonders how that ever got past the administration to begin with.

[citdog]

[citdog]

[travelinman67]

Not if you're U of Delaware. By definition according to their own internal propaganda, white people are racist by definition. While no other races are mentioned, the rather strong implication there is that all other races are somehow perfect.

Of course, they've since "officially" backed off of that, but one wonders how that ever got past the administration to begin with.

Don't forget the flap at UC Davis earlier this year when the University was caught defining "religious discrimination" as an act against minority religions by the predominant religion. A Christian group retained legal counsel, complained, and the University removed the language.
They later had to back peddle on defining "racism" under the same conditions (i.e., only the predominant race, white, could be the offender).

http://www.davisenterprise.com/opinion/ ... a-pattern/

Nice to see good people acting to block hate-based revisionism by the limousine liberal bigots.

[Skjellyfetti]

Of course they can be.

I don't find it as odious as white racism, though... since white people weren't enslaved for generations in this country... and marginalized under institutional racism for generations afterwards...

[CitadelGrad]

Who cares? What niqqers think about anything is irrelevant.

[citdog]

Of course they can be.

I don't find it as odious as white racism, though... since white people weren't enslaved for generations in this country... and marginalized under institutional racism for generations afterwards...

[travelinman67]

Of course they can be.

I don't find it as odious as white racism, though... since white people weren't enslaved for generations in this country... and marginalized under institutional racism for generations afterwards...

Gotta agree with Jellydonut here. The U.S. govt allowed slavery for approx. 90 years, and institutionalized racism against blacks for decades afterward.
The whites have only been discriminated against through institutionalized reverse-racism for 45 years, Via minority preferences, set-asides, hiring quotas (and prohibitions against whites)...people of caucasion ancestry have only been institutionally marginalized for the past two generations...

...but not nearly as long as the blacks (excuse me, African-Americans). I personally can't fathom whites harboring more racial resentment, after only being the recepients of racial discrimination for the past 45 years.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Of course they can be.

I don't find it as odious as white racism, though... since white people weren't enslaved for generations in this country... and marginalized under institutional racism for generations afterwards...

So what excuse do the blacks have for being racist in the 2000s?

None of them were ever enslaved so..........................its a bullshit excuse as far as I am concerned. If we are going to give bonus points for things that happened in the past that really dont have any affect on those of us living in todays world then I have a list of demands I want to submit so I get the special treatment others are getting.

[93henfan]

Last two posts: not politically correct, but right on the money. I am assuming T-man's was dressed with some sarcasm.

[JohnStOnge]

Of course they can be.

I don't find it as odious as white racism, though... since white people weren't enslaved for generations in this country... and marginalized under institutional racism for generations afterwards...

Europeans happened to have superior military and transportation technology at some point so they dominated. There's no "moral superiority" associated with other races. They just never found themselves in a comprable position in terms of degree of relative power. Africans had slavery. Yes, I know some people try to rationalize and say it wasn't "chattle" slavery like slavery of Whites holding Blacks was. But Africans did some pretty terrible things to each other.

As I've said before: The unique thing about people of European Ancestry is that they were in a position of dominance and just decided to start giving it up just to be nice. There was absolutely nothing, for instance, that Blacks in the United States could've done to free themselves for slavery or do some of the things done later if an overwhelming majority of Whites in the Unisted States had maintained an attitude of just keeping them totally repressed and/or enslaved. But a critical mass of Whites decided that it was wrong to do that and so slavery in the United States was ended and so on. Blacks didn't end slavery. Asians didn't end slavery. Whites ended slavery.

At least in Europe and North America. It's still practiced in some places; including Africa.

[Skjellyfetti]

So what excuse do the blacks have for being racist in the 2000s?

None of them were ever enslaved so..........................its a bullshit excuse as far as I am concerned. If we are going to give bonus points for things that happened in the past that really dont have any affect on those of us living in todays world then I have a list of demands I want to submit so I get the special treatment others are getting.

They don't have an excuse. I'm not giving them one or defending racism or bigotry of any kind.

Just saying that black racism hasn't resulted in whites being forced into slavery or becoming second class citizens.



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[Ivytalk]

Ask Kleany or HIU93.

[CID1990]

Of course they can be.

I don't find it as odious as white racism, though... since white people weren't enslaved for generations in this country... and marginalized under institutional racism for generations afterwards...

Black people have no legitimate beef with me any more than I have with any random English landlord in Scotland.

[Skjellyfetti]

Black people have no legitimate beef with me any more than I have with any random English landlord in Scotland.

Didn't say they did.

[CID1990]

Black people have no legitimate beef with me any more than I have with any random English landlord in Scotland.

Didn't say they did.

Actually, that is precisely what you inferred.

You claimed that racism in American Africans was somehow more easily forgiven, given their recent history, or at least less contemptible.

I say they have no claim in modern America. No more claim than I have. Let's not forget that EVERY single diaspora to America over the last 400 years involved one oppressed group or another, and today every one of those groups is better off for it.

[Skjellyfetti]

You claimed that racism in American Africans was somehow more easily forgiven, given their recent history, or at least less contemptible.

I didn't say it is more easily forgiven. As I specifically said "they don't have an excuse. I'm not giving them one or defending racism or bigotry of any kind."

[AZGrizFan]

You claimed that racism in American Africans was somehow more easily forgiven, given their recent history, or at least less contemptible.

I didn't say it is more easily forgiven. As I specifically said "they don't have an excuse. I'm not giving them one or defending racism or bigotry of any kind."

Of course they can be.

I don't find it as odious as white racism, though... since white people weren't enslaved for generations in this country... and marginalized under institutional racism for generations afterwards...

That sure sounds like an excuse to me....

[CID1990]

Of course they can be.

I don't find it as odious as white racism, though... since white people weren't enslaved for generations in this country... and marginalized under institutional racism for generations afterwards...

What's this, SK?