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"Minor-attracted adults..."

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:19 pm
by travelinman67
Hard to believe this is real. Missed this a few weeks ago, but pullled it from several "reliable" sources...

Conference aims to normalize pedophilia

By John Rossomando - The Daily Caller Published: 10:00 AM 08/15

http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/15/confe ... edophilia/
If a small group of psychiatrists and other mental health professionals have their way at a conference this week, pedophiles themselves could play a role in removing pedophilia from the American Psychiatric Association’s bible of mental illnesses — the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), set to undergo a significant revision by 2013. Critics warn that their success could lead to the decriminalization of pedophilia.

The August 17 Baltimore conference is sponsored by B4U-ACT, a group of pro-pedophile mental health professionals and sympathetic activists. According to the conference brochure, the event will examine “ways in which minor-attracted persons [pedophiles] can be involved in the DSM 5 revision process” and how the popular perceptions of pedophiles can be reframed to encourage tolerance.

Researchers from Harvard University, the Johns Hopkins University, the University of Louisville, and the University of Illinois will be among the panelists at the conference.

B4U-ACT has been active attacking the APA’s definition of pedophilia in the run up to the conference, denouncing its description of “minor-attracted persons” as “inaccurate” and “misleading” because the current DSM links pedophilia with criminality.

“It is based on data from prison studies, which completely ignore the existence of those who are law-abiding,” said Howard Kline, science director of B4U-ACT, in a July 25, 2011 press release. “The proposed new diagnostic criteria specify ages and frequencies with no scientific basis whatsoever.”

The press release announced a letter the group sent to the APA criticizing its approach, and inviting its leaders to participate in the August 17 conference. “The DSM should meet a higher standard than that,” Kline continued. “We can help them, because we are the people they are writing about.”

APA spokeswoman Erin Connors told The Daily Caller in an emailed statement that her organization was not participating in the conference and would not comment on its aims.

Child advocate Dr. Judith Reisman, a visiting professor at Liberty University’s School of Law, said the conference is part of a strategy to condition people into accepting pedophiles.

“The first thing they do is to get the public to divest from thinking of what the offender does criminally, to thinking of the offender’s emotional state, to think of him as thinking of his emotional state, [and] to empathize and sympathize,” Reisman said. “You don’t change the nation in one fell swoop; you have to change it by conditioning. The aim is to get them [pedophiles] out of prison.”

According to Reisman, empirical data show that pedophiles typically molest many children before finally being caught.
The Conference' brochure:
2011 Symposium



Pedophilia, Minor-Attracted Persons, and the DSM:
Issues and Controversies
Wednesday, August 17, 2011
Baltimore, MD


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Featured Speaker: Fred Berlin, M.D., Ph.D., founder, National Institute for the Study, Prevention and Treatment of Sexual Trauma; founder, Johns Hopkins Sexual Disorders Clinic

This day-long symposium will facilitate the exchange of ideas among researchers, scholars, mental health practitioners, and minor-attracted persons who have an interest in critical issues surrounding the entry for pedophilia in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) of the American Psychiatric Association. The symposium will address critical issues in the following areas:

Scientific and philosophical issues related to the DSM entry on pedophilia and/or hebephilia
Effects of the DSM entry on stigma, availability of mental health services, and research
Ways in which minor-attracted persons can be involved in the DSM 5 revision process
It is crucial that the DSM be based on the most accurate and complete scientific information available, and on careful consideration of effects on the welfare of patients and society. This is especially true for the DSM entry on pedophilia; it has an enormous impact on the beliefs and practices of mental health professionals, the criminal justice system, the media, and the public. It also has a profound effect on adults and teenagers who are emotionally and sexually attracted to children or adolescents, on the availability of mental health services for them, and on relevant research.

The revision of DSM currently underway provides both the opportunity and the necessity to address fundamental issues surrounding the DSM entry for pedophilia. Numerous unresolved issues have been raised by scholars, researchers, and minor-attracted people. Controversy has arisen over scientific issues (e.g., the setting of diagnostic threshholds, the representativeness of forensic samples), philosophical issues (e.g., the definition of paraphilia, the nature of disorder, and whether hebephilia should be considered a disorder), and consequences of the DSM entry (e.g., its use in civil commitment hearings, its effects on stigma).

This symposium faciliates the interaction necessary for these issues to be addressed. The APA emphasizes that DSM revisions should involve the interaction of researchers from "diverse perspectives, disciplines, and areas of expertise" and be "sensitive to the needs of clinicians and their patients." Representatives from all of these groups will play important roles at this symposium.
Social workers and psychologists who attend will receive 6.0 continuting education units (CEUs).

If you have any questions, please contact science@b4uact.org or (443) 244-9920.
Rationalizing sexual assault of children?

:ohno:

Re: "Minor-attracted adults..."

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:39 pm
by TheBetterHalf
Ok, so while they are sort of technically correct that pedophilia is a mental disorder I have a huge issue with any thought that this would still not be a criminal offense. I am currently treating a young girl who was so severely molested by a family member that she is not incontinent, so I would love for one of those on this panel to tell me that it's not criminally offensive.

Re: "Minor-attracted adults..."

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:29 pm
by Cap'n Cat
Bigger issue: Tman surfing pedophilia shit?

:o :ohno:

Re: "Minor-attracted adults..."

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:32 pm
by Cap'n Cat
BTW, DC Caller? Conk rag.

:coffee:

Re: "Minor-attracted adults..."

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:50 pm
by DJH
amazing. :ohno:

Re: "Minor-attracted adults..."

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:15 pm
by SuperHornet
Don't you just love modern euphemisms? First it was "human trafficking" for the slave trade. Now it's "minor-attracted adults" for paederasts.

Using euphemisms doesn't make it any less horrible.

:ohno:

Re: "Minor-attracted adults..."

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:21 pm
by clenz
Human trafficking covers about 100 more issues than slavery, thus it not being slave trade.

Re: "Minor-attracted adults..."

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:40 pm
by free7694
Wait, is this going to come to life now?
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Re: "Minor-attracted adults..."

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:53 am
by D1B
DJH wrote:amazing. :ohno:
Yet you defend the catholic church and its army of pedophiles and lawyers. :ohno: :dunce:

Re: "Minor-attracted adults..."

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:33 pm
by travelinman67
TheBetterHalf wrote:Ok, so while they are sort of technically correct that pedophilia is a mental disorder I have a huge issue with any thought that this would still not be a criminal offense. I am currently treating a young girl who was so severely molested by a family member that she is not incontinent, so I would love for one of those on this panel to tell me that it's not criminally offensive.
You've underlined the facet of this discussion which I failed to note yesterday.

All of this group's focus is on the "impact" the DSM categorization places on the "minor attracted person"...

...yet there's no mention of their victims?

As I'm sure you're finding, TBH, the mental scars never heal.

NEVER.

They become "walking wounded", "functioning abuse victims" who may even form intimate relationships...but the scars are alway there.

I've spoken with victims in their 60's-70's and you can plainly see how their victimization has shaped their whole life.

I really don't care HOW the abuser developed their dysfunction...even if they were victims themselves...

...this is a simple case of a social need to protect those unable to protect themselves.

Re: "Minor-attracted adults..."

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:14 pm
by CID1990
D1B wrote:
DJH wrote:amazing. :ohno:
Yet you defend the catholic church and its army of pedophiles and lawyers. :ohno: :dunce:
Your obsession with the catholics is almost as bad.

Re: "Minor-attracted adults..."

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:04 pm
by SuperHornet
clenz wrote:Human trafficking covers about 100 more issues than slavery, thus it not being slave trade.
Oh? If you're angling for the sex trade in India, that's just another form of slavery. I read a book about it a couple of months ago. A family incurs a "debt" which their kidnapped underage daughter must "work off" in a brothel, but there are so many phony deductions from her portion of the john's "fee" that she is just about never able to pay it off. And if by some miracle she does, she's not welcome at home because she's immoral, so she pretty much has to go back to the brothel to even eat. Slavery, pure and simple.

Re: "Minor-attracted adults..."

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:09 pm
by grizzaholic
SuperHornet wrote:
clenz wrote:Human trafficking covers about 100 more issues than slavery, thus it not being slave trade.
Oh? If you're angling for the sex trade in India, that's just another form of slavery. I read a book about it a couple of months ago. A family incurs a "debt" which their kidnapped underage daughter must "work off" in a brothel, but there are so many phony deductions from her portion of the john's "fee" that she is just about never able to pay it off. And if by some miracle she does, she's not welcome at home because she's immoral, so she pretty much has to go back to the brothel to even eat. Slavery, pure and simple.
Pics or STFU

Re: "Minor-attracted adults..."

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:17 pm
by ODUsmitty
SuperHornet wrote:........ A family incurs a "debt" which their kidnapped underage daughter must "work off" in a brothel, but there are so many phony deductions from her portion of the john's "fee" that she is just about never able to pay it off. And if by some miracle she does, she's not welcome at home because she's immoral, so she pretty much has to go back to the brothel to even eat. Slavery, pure and simple.
Or, as a parallel argument, a country incurs a "debt" in which their upcoming generation must "work off" in ever increasing taxes. but there are so many phony government programs (i.e. redistributive policies) from their portion of taxation that they are just about never able to pay it off. And if by some miracle they do, these providers are not accepted by the political class because they are ideologically immoral, so much so that they are taxed out of business in the interests of political correctness. Slavery, pure and simple.

Re: "Minor-attracted adults..."

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:36 pm
by AZGrizFan
SuperHornet wrote:
clenz wrote:Human trafficking covers about 100 more issues than slavery, thus it not being slave trade.
Oh? If you're angling for the sex trade in India, that's just another form of slavery. I read a book about it a couple of months ago. A family incurs a "debt" which their kidnapped underage daughter must "work off" in a brothel, but there are so many phony deductions from her portion of the john's "fee" that she is just about never able to pay it off. And if by some miracle she does, she's not welcome at home because she's immoral, so she pretty much has to go back to the brothel to even eat. Slavery, pure and simple.
Oh, well never mind then. You're obviously a SME then. :coffee: We shall forever more defer to your judgement on this issue. :coffee:

Re: "Minor-attracted adults..."

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:55 pm
by SuperHornet

Re: "Minor-attracted adults..."

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:04 pm
by D1B
CID1990 wrote:
D1B wrote:
Yet you defend the catholic church and its army of pedophiles and lawyers. :ohno: :dunce:
Your obsession with the catholics is almost as bad.
Religion is evil. Fuck you.

Re: "Minor-attracted adults..."

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:07 pm
by TheBetterHalf
If anyone is really interested in the human trafficking or sex slave industry it's one of my serious research interests and I've read numerous books and studies plus written a couple of my own papers on it and I'd be happy to share my insights. Please ignore the super long run on, I'm exhausted and going to bed.

Re: "Minor-attracted adults..."

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:44 pm
by TwinTownBisonFan
Wait - it was a FICTION book?

:ohno:

oh... SH...

Re: "Minor-attracted adults..."

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:18 pm
by CID1990
D1B wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Your obsession with the catholics is almost as bad.
Religion is evil. **** you.
Your obsession with religion is religious.

Re: "Minor-attracted adults..."

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:27 pm
by SuperHornet
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
Wait - it was a FICTION book?

:ohno:

oh... SH...
Have you at least read the book jacket? The "fiction" was based on extensive interviews with a kid who was rescued from that.

Re: "Minor-attracted adults..."

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:32 am
by clenz
SuperHornet wrote:
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
Wait - it was a FICTION book?

:ohno:

oh... SH...
Have you at least read the book jacket? The "fiction" was based on extensive interviews with a kid who was rescued from that.
Holy shit SH...you have no idea do you?


You've read one, fiction, book? Let me send you one of the 15-20 research based books I have in my house due to TBH, her masters degree, and her job working in the field that deals with this. Outside of those 20 books there have been probably 50-60 empirically based research articles in this house, and factual documentaries watched in this house...not including the articles that TBH has written.

You're completely missing 99% of the world if you think this only happens in India to pay off a family debt. Fuck, one o the biggest human trafficking counties in the world is fucking AMERICA and it doesn't have shit to do with family debts.

If TBH has the time I would love to for her write something up to school you on this a little bit....you clearly are way off on this....

Re: "Minor-attracted adults..."

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:36 am
by D1B
CID1990 wrote:
D1B wrote:
Religion is evil. **** you.
Your obsession with religion is religious.
How so?

Zealous? perhaps. Religous? uhhh, not really.

Re: "Minor-attracted adults..."

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:36 am
by andy7171
grizzaholic wrote:
SuperHornet wrote:
Oh? If you're angling for the sex trade in India, that's just another form of slavery. I read a book about it a couple of months ago. A family incurs a "debt" which their kidnapped underage daughter must "work off" in a brothel, but there are so many phony deductions from her portion of the john's "fee" that she is just about never able to pay it off. And if by some miracle she does, she's not welcome at home because she's immoral, so she pretty much has to go back to the brothel to even eat. Slavery, pure and simple.
Pics or STFU
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Re: "Minor-attracted adults..."

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:39 am
by D1B
D1B wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Your obsession with religion is religious.
How so?

Zealous? perhaps. Religous? uhhh, not really.
*you do realize we're horrifying close to having a nutjob fundamentalist christian or a fucking Mormon in the white house, right?

I'm doing the work and taking the hits for freedom and civil rights. Our greatest threat in the world is religion.