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death dealer wrote:Honestly. I feel pretty bad for them. They've been waiting so long for this moment, and when it comes, they get this economy overshadowing it. It's kinda sad. They should be able to dance through the tulips and prance around in joyous ectasy, and instead they have to deal with a mess. And, given the short attention span and fickle nature of the American psyche, will likely be very unpopular this time next year when things haven't turned around to everyone's satisfaction.

It's just a little depressing to see it, even though I am not in love with BHO. My Democrat friends who have invested so much hope in him aren't able to truly enjoy this moment. And, at the same time, I can't help wondering if my Republican friends aren't secretly hoping things get worse, so that they can say "I told you so!!" to my Democrat friends. (for those of you who don't know, I am a die-hard independent. I refuse to lock step with any one ideology.)

UNI88 wrote:

death dealer wrote:Honestly. I feel pretty bad for them. They've been waiting so long for this moment, and when it comes, they get this economy overshadowing it. It's kinda sad. They should be able to dance through the tulips and prance around in joyous ectasy, and instead they have to deal with a mess. And, given the short attention span and fickle nature of the American psyche, will likely be very unpopular this time next year when things haven't turned around to everyone's satisfaction.

It's just a little depressing to see it, even though I am not in love with BHO. My Democrat friends who have invested so much hope in him aren't able to truly enjoy this moment. And, at the same time, I can't help wondering if my Republican friends aren't secretly hoping things get worse, so that they can say "I told you so!!" to my Democrat friends. (for those of you who don't know, I am a die-hard independent. I refuse to lock step with any one ideology.)

Yeah it sucks but on the flip side, if Obama can turn this thing around he will probably go down as one of the greatest Presidents in history. The worse the situation the better the opportunity to prove your mettle and make your mark.

death dealer wrote: (for those of you who don't know, I am a die-hard independent. I refuse to lock step with any one ideology.)

D1B wrote:

death dealer wrote: (for those of you who don't know, I am a die-hard independent. I refuse to lock step with any one ideology.)

Really?

death dealer wrote:

D1B wrote: Really?

Yeah, no shit. Seriously, I have no loyalty to any of the party's. In this past election, I voted about 50/50. Most local and state stuff, I voted Democrat. National, I abstained on some, and split the rest. Voted for a couple of "third party" guys too (even though some would say that was a wasted vote). I don't feel as if either party fully represents my beliefs, and I can't blindly follow a person, party, or ideology just out of loyalty. It's anathema to my psyche. And I don't think I'm unique. I think most people, if they were honest about it, feel the same way. They just don't have the energy, time, or knowledge to give a shit enough to act. So they vote for the guy who looks the best, talks the best, or the media tells them is the best.

D1B wrote:
One could interpret "die-hard independent" as an ideology.

I wrote in Simon Cowell (American Idol) for president.

AZGrizFan wrote:

UNI88 wrote:Yeah it sucks but on the flip side, if Obama can turn this thing around he will probably go down as one of the greatest Presidents in history. The worse the situation the better the opportunity to prove your mettle and make your mark.

And when he doesn't turn it around fast enough for the average SAS American, he'll have sealed the deal and it'll be ANOTHER 200 years before AMerica elects another black president.

UNI88 wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote: And when he doesn't turn it around fast enough for the average SAS American, he'll have sealed the deal and it'll be ANOTHER 200 years before AMerica elects another black president.

Now you're acting like a cynic who is going to be left behind

Seriously, the glass is half full or the half empty. It's up to Obama and Congress to try and make the right decisions and hope they're right enough to turn this thing around. The pessimist in me says that they're going to screw it up while the optimist is hoping that they don't.

AZGrizFan wrote:

UNI88 wrote: Now you're acting like a cynic who is going to be left behind

Seriously, the glass is half full or the half empty. It's up to Obama and Congress to try and make the right decisions and hope they're right enough to turn this thing around. The pessimist in me says that they're going to screw it up while the optimist is hoping that they don't.

Not cynic. Realist. There won't be another black president in my OR my kids lifetimes. Bank it. Obama is the democrats sacrificial lamb. I can see all the Kennedy/Kerry/Edwards/Clintons of the world in a secret chamber, discussing the opportunity at hand: "Hey guys, I got a GREAT idea! Lets put that nigra Obama on the ticket during the worst possible scenario this county has faced in its 240-odd years of existence! That way, we can say 'hey, we TRIED a nigra as president, but it just didn't work!' and we can get back to business as usual and keep them co-dependent bitches on the government/democrat party payroll!"

houndawg wrote:If he can lead us through miserable aftermath of these abysmal failures of his predecessor, (may his pecker shrivel), I may never vote again for a president who isn't black.

AZGrizFan wrote:

UNI88 wrote:
Now you're acting like a cynic who is going to be left behind

Seriously, the glass is half full or the half empty. It's up to Obama and Congress to try and make the right decisions and hope they're right enough to turn this thing around. The pessimist in me says that they're going to screw it up while the optimist is hoping that they don't.

Not cynic. Realist. There won't be another black president in my OR my kids lifetimes. Bank it. Obama is the democrats sacrificial lamb. I can see all the Kennedy/Kerry/Edwards/Clintons of the world in a secret chamber, discussing the opportunity at hand: "Hey guys, I got a GREAT idea! Lets put that nigra Obama on the ticket during the worst possible scenario this county has faced in its 240-odd years of existence! That way, we can say 'hey, we TRIED a nigra as president, but it just didn't work!' and we can get back to business as usual and keep them co-dependent bitches on the government/democrat party payroll!"

Purple For Life wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
Not cynic. Realist. There won't be another black president in my OR my kids lifetimes. Bank it. Obama is the democrats sacrificial lamb. I can see all the Kennedy/Kerry/Edwards/Clintons of the world in a secret chamber, discussing the opportunity at hand: "Hey guys, I got a GREAT idea! Lets put that nigra Obama on the ticket during the worst possible scenario this county has faced in its 240-odd years of existence! That way, we can say 'hey, we TRIED a nigra as president, but it just didn't work!' and we can get back to business as usual and keep them co-dependent bitches on the government/democrat party payroll!"

Well, any shred of respect I might have once had for you is GONE. Zip, zilch, nada, GONE. You are dead to me after a statement like this.

UNI88 wrote:

Purple For Life wrote:
Well, any shred of respect I might have once had for you is GONE. Zip, zilch, nada, GONE. You are dead to me after a statement like this.

PFL, me thinks that you are taking AZ far too literally. He used those words to poke fun at both the faces of the Democratic party (which as a conservative he enjoys doing) and at people who really think that way. Kennedy/Kerry/Edwards/Clintons might not think like that but unfortunately there are people that do.

If Obama does fail there will be people who will blame it on his mixed racial heritage and use it as an excuse not to vote for another person of color. While I have serious concerns I do hope he succeeds and AZ despite his rhetoric probably does as well. He's just a lot more skeptical than I am.

UNI88 wrote:

Purple For Life wrote:
Well, any shred of respect I might have once had for you is GONE. Zip, zilch, nada, GONE. You are dead to me after a statement like this.

PFL, me thinks that you are taking AZ far too literally. He used those words to poke fun at both the faces of the Democratic party (which as a conservative he enjoys doing) and at people who really think that way. Kennedy/Kerry/Edwards/Clintons might not think like that but unfortunately there are people that do.

If Obama does fail there will be people who will blame it on his mixed racial heritage and use it as an excuse not to vote for another person of color. While I have serious concerns I do hope he succeeds and AZ despite his rhetoric probably does as well. He's just a lot more skeptical than I am.

AZGrizFan wrote:

UNI88 wrote:
PFL, me thinks that you are taking AZ far too literally. He used those words to poke fun at both the faces of the Democratic party (which as a conservative he enjoys doing) and at people who really think that way. Kennedy/Kerry/Edwards/Clintons might not think like that but unfortunately there are people that do.

If Obama does fail there will be people who will blame it on his mixed racial heritage and use it as an excuse not to vote for another person of color. While I have serious concerns I do hope he succeeds and AZ despite his rhetoric probably does as well. He's just a lot more skeptical than I am.

Thanks, UNI. Apparently you have to have a brain stem to understand my posts. Personally, I really don't CARE if PFL respects me, but if she thinks there AREN'T people thinking/wishing that exact scenario onto Obama in her party, she's living in la-la land.

Purple For Life wrote:

UNI88 wrote:
PFL, me thinks that you are taking AZ far too literally. He used those words to poke fun at both the faces of the Democratic party (which as a conservative he enjoys doing) and at people who really think that way. Kennedy/Kerry/Edwards/Clintons might not think like that but unfortunately there are people that do.

If Obama does fail there will be people who will blame it on his mixed racial heritage and use it as an excuse not to vote for another person of color. While I have serious concerns I do hope he succeeds and AZ despite his rhetoric probably does as well. He's just a lot more skeptical than I am.

Well, I don't think being racist, even to poke fun, is funny. It won't solve anything. That's the problem with the older generation (yeah, I said it). I don't think making jokes about ethnicity is funny.

Purple For Life wrote:

UNI88 wrote:
PFL, me thinks that you are taking AZ far too literally. He used those words to poke fun at both the faces of the Democratic party (which as a conservative he enjoys doing) and at people who really think that way. Kennedy/Kerry/Edwards/Clintons might not think like that but unfortunately there are people that do.

If Obama does fail there will be people who will blame it on his mixed racial heritage and use it as an excuse not to vote for another person of color. While I have serious concerns I do hope he succeeds and AZ despite his rhetoric probably does as well. He's just a lot more skeptical than I am.

Well, I don't think being racist, even to poke fun, is funny. It won't solve anything. That's the problem with the older generation (yeah, I said it). I don't think making jokes about ethnicity is funny.

Rabbit3467 wrote:PFL,
Age has nothing to do with anything you are even trying to comprehend. There are plenty of young people in the US that would totally disagree with any position you try make everyone feel is correct. The greatest part of this country is that we dont have to agree with everything that ultraliberal dems, such as yourself, are trying to pour on this country. I can agree that Bush didnt do everything correct, but can see through the BS that Obama is the savior. We are a democratic country with free enterprise that was manipulated by giving loans to people that couldnt afford them. This WAS implemented by the democrat president Clinton. Obviously it wasn't corrected in time by Bush and the economy is suffering. Heaven forbid people should be able to pay for they're loans. Now we want socialism. I work in health care and the biggest problem is MEDICARE/MEDICAID. It decides what it will pay for any situation, which is usually to low to pay for the cost of treatment, then private health insurance says we are gonna pay what the government does, only fair. SO we are all f**k[*]. Lets implement national health care, then we can all get screwed. Look at Cananda, if you [*]f**k up your knee and cant walk decent, just wait a year, or two, and they will fix it (if you think this is a lie talk to a Canadian). Or in the US, I can have the same problem fixed in less than a month. Good news is if you have a heart attack they can see you in two to three weeks.

So from my Aussie friends, PISS OFF, AZG your a good man.

BTW, Im 28 and can think for myself, thank you very much.