BHO on 4 million $ Hawaii vacation when go over fiscal cliff
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BHO on 4 million $ Hawaii vacation when go over fiscal cliff
This isn't HW (Kennnebunkport), Clinton (Marthas Vineyard) or W (Crawford). When Obama should be in DC providing leadership in dealing with Congress and the fiscal cliff, he instead is going to the most isolated (10.5 hr flight from DC) and one of the most expensive island chains in the world to vacation for almost 3 weeks at taxpayer's expense (known costs 4+ million, unknown costs significantly higher) while the nation goes over the fiscal cliff. Well, its a case of Let Them Eat Cake.
"Residents Alerted to Obamas' Hawaiian Holiday Plans
.................The homes where they stay are just a two-minute drive from Kaneohe Bay and the Marine Corps Base Hawaii, where the Obamas and friends can access private white sand beaches and military workout facilities.
While many residents welcome the First Family, others are disheartened by the restrictions put on air, water and road travel while the President and family are in town, especially because it is the holiday season and many families on vacation want to use their boats or surf and paddle in the welcoming ocean waves fronting the Kailua homes. In addition, the President's caravan of at least 22 vehicles including an ambulance can easily overwhelm the community that typically has single lane streets.
Adding to the controversy surrounding the President's visit is the cost of the trip.
With the staff, special forces, local police presence and equipment, the President's visit adds up annually to at least a $4 million vacation courtesy of the Hawaii and federal taxpayers.
While the President and his friends pay for their own rental homes, taxpayers pick up the cost of security and waterfront housing for the Secret Service, Navy Seals and Coast Guard as well as staff accommodations at a plush beachfront Waikiki hotel.
TRAVEL: $3,629,622
The biggest expense is President Barack Obama’s round trip flight to Hawaii via Air Force One.
A Congressional Research Service report released in May 2012 said the plane typically used by the President, a Boeing 747, costs $179,750 per hour to operate. The U.S. Air Force has listed the cost of travel as high as $181,757 per flight hour.
Travel time for Air Force One direct from Washington D.C. to Hawaii is about 9 hours or as high as $1,635,813 each way for a total of $3,271,622 for the round trip to Hawaii and back.
The cost for USAF C-17 cargo aircraft that transports the Presidential limos, helicopters and other support equipment to Hawaii has never been disclosed in the years the President has traveled to Hawaii. However, the flight time between Andrews Air Force Base and Hawaii is at about 21.5 hours roundtrip, with estimated operating cost of $12,000 per hour. (Source: GAO report, updated by C-17 crew member). The United States Marine Corps provides a presidential helicopter, along with pilots and support crews for the test flights, which travel on another C-17 flight. That is $258,000, not including costs for the 4 to 6 member crew's per diem and hotel.
The rentals are fronted by the ocean and backed by a canal. So, the taxpayers must cover the costs for housing U.S. Secret Service, U.S. Coast Guard and Navy Seals in beach front and canal front homes around where the President stays.
Last year, that added up to about $200 per bedroom per day, or $21,600 per average home for a nearly three week period, with special forces renting at least 7 homes. Security arrives ahead of the President costing taxpayers about $176,400 for the length of the visit.
The President’s staff and White House Press Corps typically stay at one of Hawaii’s oldest and most elegant hotels, the Moana Surfrider. Besides its stunningly beautiful view of Waikiki, and its traditional Hawaiian architecture and decor, it is one of the most pricey hotels in the state and government rates are not available during the holiday season. Rooms start at around $270 but can cost as much as $370 a night for an ocean view before Christmas, and climb much higher around the new year.
A conservative estimate with rooms at $270 (excluding a 9.25 percent Transient Accommodation Tax and a 4.712 percent General Excise Tax on each bill, meals, internet charges and other charges) means the taxpayers are covering more than $129,600 in hotel bills for some two dozen staff.
LOCAL TAXPAYER COSTS: $260,000
Local police are paid over time for the President’s visit, which has historically cost Oahu taxpayers $250,000.
The city ambulance the accompanies the President 24 hours a day through his entire visit is about $10,000 to city taxpayers.
UNKNOWN COSTS
There are several costs the White House annually refuses to release, citing security.
-For example, the President’s security usually rents an entire floor of an office building in Kailua on the canal during the president’s stay.
-There are security upgrades and additional phone lines to several private homes where Obama and friends are staying. That includes bullet proof glass installed, home security systems disabled, new security measures put into place and additional phone lines added.
-There is the cost for car rentals and fuel for White House staff staying at a Waikiki Hotel.
-And there are additional travel costs Secret Service and White House staff traveling ahead of the President.
The total cost (based on what is known) for a 20-day round trip vacation to Hawaii for the President and his family and staff and security is more than $4 million.
Hawaii Reporter annually has requested details on the cost of the President’s trip, but the White House will not release any figures, citing security concerns. A spokesperson has maintained the costs are "in line" with other presidential vacations.
Hawaii Reporter has sought to determine the cost of vacations for the current president and last two presidents but the Government Accountability Office referred Hawaii Reporter back to the White House spokesperson."
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"Residents Alerted to Obamas' Hawaiian Holiday Plans
.................The homes where they stay are just a two-minute drive from Kaneohe Bay and the Marine Corps Base Hawaii, where the Obamas and friends can access private white sand beaches and military workout facilities.
While many residents welcome the First Family, others are disheartened by the restrictions put on air, water and road travel while the President and family are in town, especially because it is the holiday season and many families on vacation want to use their boats or surf and paddle in the welcoming ocean waves fronting the Kailua homes. In addition, the President's caravan of at least 22 vehicles including an ambulance can easily overwhelm the community that typically has single lane streets.
Adding to the controversy surrounding the President's visit is the cost of the trip.
With the staff, special forces, local police presence and equipment, the President's visit adds up annually to at least a $4 million vacation courtesy of the Hawaii and federal taxpayers.
While the President and his friends pay for their own rental homes, taxpayers pick up the cost of security and waterfront housing for the Secret Service, Navy Seals and Coast Guard as well as staff accommodations at a plush beachfront Waikiki hotel.
TRAVEL: $3,629,622
The biggest expense is President Barack Obama’s round trip flight to Hawaii via Air Force One.
A Congressional Research Service report released in May 2012 said the plane typically used by the President, a Boeing 747, costs $179,750 per hour to operate. The U.S. Air Force has listed the cost of travel as high as $181,757 per flight hour.
Travel time for Air Force One direct from Washington D.C. to Hawaii is about 9 hours or as high as $1,635,813 each way for a total of $3,271,622 for the round trip to Hawaii and back.
The cost for USAF C-17 cargo aircraft that transports the Presidential limos, helicopters and other support equipment to Hawaii has never been disclosed in the years the President has traveled to Hawaii. However, the flight time between Andrews Air Force Base and Hawaii is at about 21.5 hours roundtrip, with estimated operating cost of $12,000 per hour. (Source: GAO report, updated by C-17 crew member). The United States Marine Corps provides a presidential helicopter, along with pilots and support crews for the test flights, which travel on another C-17 flight. That is $258,000, not including costs for the 4 to 6 member crew's per diem and hotel.
The rentals are fronted by the ocean and backed by a canal. So, the taxpayers must cover the costs for housing U.S. Secret Service, U.S. Coast Guard and Navy Seals in beach front and canal front homes around where the President stays.
Last year, that added up to about $200 per bedroom per day, or $21,600 per average home for a nearly three week period, with special forces renting at least 7 homes. Security arrives ahead of the President costing taxpayers about $176,400 for the length of the visit.
The President’s staff and White House Press Corps typically stay at one of Hawaii’s oldest and most elegant hotels, the Moana Surfrider. Besides its stunningly beautiful view of Waikiki, and its traditional Hawaiian architecture and decor, it is one of the most pricey hotels in the state and government rates are not available during the holiday season. Rooms start at around $270 but can cost as much as $370 a night for an ocean view before Christmas, and climb much higher around the new year.
A conservative estimate with rooms at $270 (excluding a 9.25 percent Transient Accommodation Tax and a 4.712 percent General Excise Tax on each bill, meals, internet charges and other charges) means the taxpayers are covering more than $129,600 in hotel bills for some two dozen staff.
LOCAL TAXPAYER COSTS: $260,000
Local police are paid over time for the President’s visit, which has historically cost Oahu taxpayers $250,000.
The city ambulance the accompanies the President 24 hours a day through his entire visit is about $10,000 to city taxpayers.
UNKNOWN COSTS
There are several costs the White House annually refuses to release, citing security.
-For example, the President’s security usually rents an entire floor of an office building in Kailua on the canal during the president’s stay.
-There are security upgrades and additional phone lines to several private homes where Obama and friends are staying. That includes bullet proof glass installed, home security systems disabled, new security measures put into place and additional phone lines added.
-There is the cost for car rentals and fuel for White House staff staying at a Waikiki Hotel.
-And there are additional travel costs Secret Service and White House staff traveling ahead of the President.
The total cost (based on what is known) for a 20-day round trip vacation to Hawaii for the President and his family and staff and security is more than $4 million.
Hawaii Reporter annually has requested details on the cost of the President’s trip, but the White House will not release any figures, citing security concerns. A spokesperson has maintained the costs are "in line" with other presidential vacations.
Hawaii Reporter has sought to determine the cost of vacations for the current president and last two presidents but the Government Accountability Office referred Hawaii Reporter back to the White House spokesperson."
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Cool, I stayed at the Moana Surfrider on my honeymoon when we spent two days in Honolulu (wanted to see Pearl - didn't realize you could fly in and out on the same day from a different island to do that - although we did get to see where the "Real World" kids were staying and working that year - that was the year with Tec and Colin and Amaya - plus we actually ran into that Kelly girl from the first "Survivor" when we toured the Dole pineapple plantation).
Strange that he doesn't stay on a different island, though. Oahu is not very vacationy - Kuaui is a much better place to vacation, or Kona on the Big Island. Strange to go all that way and just hang out on Oahu.
Strange that he doesn't stay on a different island, though. Oahu is not very vacationy - Kuaui is a much better place to vacation, or Kona on the Big Island. Strange to go all that way and just hang out on Oahu.
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There is more brush to be cleared on Oahu.GannonFan wrote:Cool, I stayed at the Moana Surfrider on my honeymoon when we spent two days in Honolulu (wanted to see Pearl - didn't realize you could fly in and out on the same day from a different island to do that - although we did get to see where the "Real World" kids were staying and working that year - that was the year with Tec and Colin and Amaya - plus we actually ran into that Kelly girl from the first "Survivor" when we toured the Dole pineapple plantation).
Strange that he doesn't stay on a different island, though. Oahu is not very vacationy - Kuaui is a much better place to vacation, or Kona on the Big Island. Strange to go all that way and just hang out on Oahu.
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I do to. Hawaii is one of the 57 states, Obama should visit it.AZGrizFan wrote:I hate threads like this.
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Well, he is actually from Oahu.GannonFan wrote:Oahu is not very vacationy - Kuaui is a much better place to vacation, or Kona on the Big Island. Strange to go all that way and just hang out on Oahu.
It's like saying Reagan shouldn't have vacationed outside of Santa Barbara because you prefer Northern California.
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The President should never take a vacation, it's too expensive. He should stay at the White House 24/7.Skjellyfetti wrote:Well, he is actually from Oahu.GannonFan wrote:Oahu is not very vacationy - Kuaui is a much better place to vacation, or Kona on the Big Island. Strange to go all that way and just hang out on Oahu.
It's like saying Reagan shouldn't have vacationed outside of Santa Barbara because you prefer Northern California.
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Yeah because he has an out of office posted and won't be reaches. You do know he is always working. Besides, with his stressful shitty job be needs to be as relaxed as possible. Let him vacation, what's it to you?
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Agree, it cost money no matter where the president vacations, might as well be a comfortable location to him, like Bush in Texas.Ibanez wrote:Yeah because he has an out of office posted and won't be reaches. You do know he is always working. Besides, with his stressful shitty job be needs to be as relaxed as possible. Let him vacation, what's it to you?
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Ibanez wrote:Yeah because he has an out of office posted and won't be reaches. You do know he is always working. Besides, with his stressful shitty job be needs to be as relaxed as possible. Let him vacation, what's it to you?
If the taxpayers weren't footing the huge bill and the country wasn't facing a serious situation with the fiscal cliff it wouldn't be anything to me.
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BDKJMU wrote:Ibanez wrote:Yeah because he has an out of office posted and won't be reaches. You do know he is always working. Besides, with his stressful shitty job be needs to be as relaxed as possible. Let him vacation, what's it to you?
If the taxpayers weren't footing the huge bill and the country wasn't facing a serious situation with the fiscal cliff it wouldn't be anything to me.
And you objected when Reagan, Bush vacationed.
Sore fucking loser.
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I spent 5 days on Oahu and 4 on Kauai last April. I wouldn't call Oahu not very vacationy. There is a lot more to see & do on Oahu than Pearl. Granted, that was my #1 and 1st thing I did the only time I've been to Oahu. Just some of the things I did:GannonFan wrote:Cool, I stayed at the Moana Surfrider on my honeymoon when we spent two days in Honolulu (wanted to see Pearl - didn't realize you could fly in and out on the same day from a different island to do that - although we did get to see where the "Real World" kids were staying and working that year - that was the year with Tec and Colin and Amaya - plus we actually ran into that Kelly girl from the first "Survivor" when we toured the Dole pineapple plantation).
Strange that he doesn't stay on a different island, though. Oahu is not very vacationy - Kuaui is a much better place to vacation, or Kona on the Big Island. Strange to go all that way and just hang out on Oahu.
-Pearl Harbor
-Hikeing to the top of Diamond Head- the islands most recognizable landmark.
-Hanauma Bay- phenomenal snorkling
-Hikes to Manoa Falls and Waimea Falls- filming locations for Lost (I never watched the show).
-Nuuanu Pali Lookout
-Hike to Makapuu Point Lighthouse- stunning views.
-Checking out the North Shore of Oahu.
Didn't make it to the Polynesian Cultural Center on the North Shore, but that is one of the most visited sites in Hawaii.
Course they have a lot of great beaches all over Oahu (As does Kauai).
And plenty of places in Oahu have the vacationy Luas.
And Oahu has all the upscale shopping for the wifey or girlfriend (which can be a bad thing).
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Is that you Ralph?dbackjon wrote:BDKJMU wrote:
If the taxpayers weren't footing the huge bill and the country wasn't facing a serious situation with the fiscal cliff it wouldn't be anything to me.
And you objected when Reagan, Bush vacationed.
Sore fucking loser.
You and your idiot friends got rejected. Go away please.
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You diddbackjon wrote:
And you objected when Reagan, Bush vacationed.
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1. Taxpayers foot the bill for every President, and every President takes vacations.BDKJMU wrote:Ibanez wrote:Yeah because he has an out of office posted and won't be reaches. You do know he is always working. Besides, with his stressful shitty job be needs to be as relaxed as possible. Let him vacation, what's it to you?
If the taxpayers weren't footing the huge bill and the country wasn't facing a serious situation with the fiscal cliff it wouldn't be anything to me.
2. The President isn't a member of Congress and he won't be in the House when the debate takes place. If they want to talk to him it will be by phone and it won't matter if he's in DC or Hawaii.
Jon is right you're a sore loser. If Obama does decide to stay in Washington, you'll probably accuse him of staying just to bully the House GOP members.
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90% of the cost of operating Air Force One is whether it's in the air or parked at Andrews.BDKJMU wrote:Ibanez wrote:Yeah because he has an out of office posted and won't be reaches. You do know he is always working. Besides, with his stressful shitty job be needs to be as relaxed as possible. Let him vacation, what's it to you?
If the taxpayers weren't footing the huge bill and the country wasn't facing a serious situation with the fiscal cliff it wouldn't be anything to me.
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Re: BHO on 4 million $ Hawaii vacation when go over fiscal c
Newsflash: there is a big difference in cost between taking hundreds of people & related infrastructure from DC to Kennebunkport/Martha's Vineyard/Crawford and to Hawaii.BlueHen86 wrote:1. Taxpayers foot the bill for every President, and every President takes vacations.BDKJMU wrote:
If the taxpayers weren't footing the huge bill and the country wasn't facing a serious situation with the fiscal cliff it wouldn't be anything to me.
2. The President isn't a member of Congress and he won't be in the House when the debate takes place. If they want to talk to him it will be by phone and it won't matter if he's in DC or Hawaii.
Jon is right you're a sore loser. If Obama does decide to stay in Washington, you'll probably accuse him of staying just to bully the House GOP members.
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Do tellBDKJMU wrote:Newsflash: there is a big difference in cost between taking hundreds of people & related infrastructure from DC to Kennebunkport/Martha's Vineyard/Crawford and to Hawaii.BlueHen86 wrote:
1. Taxpayers foot the bill for every President, and every President takes vacations.
2. The President isn't a member of Congress and he won't be in the House when the debate takes place. If they want to talk to him it will be by phone and it won't matter if he's in DC or Hawaii.
Jon is right you're a sore loser. If Obama does decide to stay in Washington, you'll probably accuse him of staying just to bully the House GOP members.
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Newsflash: Hawaii is a U.S. state. Are you seriously trying to suggest that the President shouldn't go there because it costs too much?BDKJMU wrote:Newsflash: there is a big difference in cost between taking hundreds of people & related infrastructure from DC to Kennebunkport/Martha's Vineyard/Crawford and to Hawaii.BlueHen86 wrote:
1. Taxpayers foot the bill for every President, and every President takes vacations.
2. The President isn't a member of Congress and he won't be in the House when the debate takes place. If they want to talk to him it will be by phone and it won't matter if he's in DC or Hawaii.
Jon is right you're a sore loser. If Obama does decide to stay in Washington, you'll probably accuse him of staying just to bully the House GOP members.
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That's very inclusive of you, Jon. Practice what you preach, friend.dbackjon wrote:
And you objected when Reagan, Bush vacationed.
Sore fucking loser.
You and your idiot friends got rejected. Go away please.
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BullshitBDKJMU wrote:Ibanez wrote:Yeah because he has an out of office posted and won't be reaches. You do know he is always working. Besides, with his stressful shitty job be needs to be as relaxed as possible. Let him vacation, what's it to you?
If the taxpayers weren't footing the huge bill and the country wasn't facing a serious situation with the fiscal cliff it wouldn't be anything to me.
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Bullshit to your bullshit...Ibanez wrote:BullshitBDKJMU wrote:
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Seriously...I'm embarrassed for you.BDKJMU wrote:Bullshit to your bullshit...Ibanez wrote: Bullshit
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Re: BHO on 4 million $ Hawaii vacation when go over fiscal c
Why don't Presidents ever vacation in places like Cleveland, Detroit, or the back woods of Appalachia? Think of all the help that massive influx of cash could do to help those poor people.
And the Secret Service could get in lots of target practice...with live targets!
Win-win for everyone involved.
And the Secret Service could get in lots of target practice...with live targets!
Win-win for everyone involved.
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