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The $1.6 BILLION Fence

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:12 pm
by dbackjon
Federal bureaucrats call it the "border fence." The residents along the Texas-Mexico border say it's a wall echoing the Cold War. And south of the Rio Grande, Governor Humberto Moreira of the Mexican state of Coahuila has dubbed it a "wall of hate." But no matter what the controversial barrier being constructed between Mexico and the U.S. is called, the $1.6 billion, 670-mile-long first phase is close to completion as President Barack Obama enters office.


And for Obama, who voted for the border-fence bill back in 2006, the barrier may be best described as a big potential headache. Opponents are already appealing to him to halt construction and re-evaluate the project. But so far, the new Administration has given no indication that it is seriously considering doing so. While it has said it will make comprehensive immigration reform a priority, a spokesperson told TIME that Obama supports the fence "as long as it is one part of a larger strategy on border security that includes more boots on the ground and increased use of technology."

This, despite repeated pleas from border Democratic officeholders, residents with family and business ties on both sides of the river, and conservationists who fear their 30-year effort to string parcels of land into a necklace of treasured preserves for native fauna and flora will be destroyed as the acreage ends up in a riverside no-man's-land. On Wednesday, Obama's first day in office, advocates of immigration reform are holding a rally in Washington in which a multisectarian group of religious leaders will give the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Building a ritualistic cleansing to highlight the call to end workplace immigration raids and the construction of the border fence. (See pictures of the fence between the U.S. and Mexico.)

A map on the home page of the U.S. Customs and Border Protection website shows the daily progress of the border-fence construction — green for completed, yellow for under construction and red for planned. There is a line of green and yellow for the 693-mile border between Mexico and the states of California, Arizona and New Mexico. The colors turn to red on the far western and eastern edges of the 1,241-mile Mexico-Texas border. In between, there are just small patches of red, since only 110 miles of Texas border fence are planned in the initial stage.

But those 110 miles have proved the most problematic for the Department of Homeland Security, the agency charged with overseeing the project. While much of the U.S. land on the border west of Texas is held by the Federal Government or large landowners, the projects planned for Texas involve negotiating with a hodgepodge of cities, private landowners, tribal lands, farmers and conservationists.

"It's a sorry piece of work," says Mayor Chad Foster of Eagle Pass, Texas. Foster chairs the Texas Border Coalition, a group of cities, landowners, nonprofit conservation groups and Native American tribal communities that has sued the Federal Government to block construction in some areas. Plans in Eagle Pass, some 500 miles east of El Paso, call for the wall — now about 30% complete — to cross a municipal golf course. Initially, the city welcomed the idea of stadium lights on the bluff overlooking the city and the construction of a decorative fence, but when the plans were revealed, the wall-like barrier prompted community opposition. "One size doesn't fit all," insists Foster, whose community of some 50,000 people has close business ties to neighboring Piedras Negras, a city three times the size of its U.S. neighbor. He has pressed for a variety of alternative approaches, including the use of sensors to detect illegal movement and the eradication of "Carrizo cane" — an invasive, nonnative, tall river weed that provides easy hiding places along the riverbanks.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article ... d=tsmodule

Re: The $1.6 BILLION Fence

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:16 pm
by dbackjon
But for Texas conservationists, any shift may come too late, according to Laura Huffman, state director of the Texas Nature Conservancy. In the last week of 2008, the Department of Homeland Security sued the conservancy in a condemnation proceeding involving the Lennox Southmost Preserve, a 1,000-acre parcel that is just that — southmost — where the Rio Grande meets the Gulf of Mexico near Brownsville, Texas. The preserve, bought in 1999 by the conservancy for $2.5 million, is home to a rare grove of native sabal palms through which endangered ocelots and rare jaguarundi roam.

The Federal Government has condemned a narrow strip of land about 60 ft. wide and 6,000 ft. long running across the preserve and has offered to compensate the nonprofit with a $114,000 payment. The fence will effectively place 800 acres of the peninsula south of the wall, including equipment sheds, management offices and the preserve's on-site warden's home. Several small, organic farm plots leased to locals will also be in the no-man's-land. A similar fate is facing an adjoining sabal plam preserve owned by the Audubon Society. Huffman fears that the endangered palms, prized as garden totems, will be susceptible to poachers. (See the top 10 green ideas of 2008.)











These preserves are a major environment jewel, and driver of tourism in South Texas. They would be destroyed by the fence.

Re: The $1.6 BILLION Fence

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:47 pm
by slycat
Won't do anything. This is a huge mistake.

Re: The $1.6 BILLION Fence

Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:02 am
by ASUMountaineer
The Berlin Wall divided a country, not a border between two countries. Bad analogy. Forget the fence, bring home the troops from the 130 countries they're in and put them on the border. That is how you fix illegal immigration, end unconstitutional wars, and let the military serve it's true purpose--protecting the country from invasion.

Oh yeah, and abolish DHS, and the border patrol. That should help us save some money.

Re: The $1.6 BILLION Fence

Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:59 am
by Appaholic
ASUMountaineer wrote:The Berlin Wall divided a country, not a border between two countries. Bad analogy. Forget the fence, bring home the troops from the 130 countries they're in and put them on the border. That is how you fix illegal immigration, end unconstitutional wars, and let the military serve it's true purpose--protecting the country from invasion.

Oh yeah, and abolish DHS, and the border patrol. That should help us save some money.
nah....that would make too much sense....

Re: The $1.6 BILLION Fence

Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:02 pm
by grizzaholic
Appaholic wrote:
ASUMountaineer wrote:The Berlin Wall divided a country, not a border between two countries. Bad analogy. Forget the fence, bring home the troops from the 130 countries they're in and put them on the border. That is how you fix illegal immigration, end unconstitutional wars, and let the military serve it's true purpose--protecting the country from invasion.

Oh yeah, and abolish DHS, and the border patrol. That should help us save some money.
nah....that would make too much sense....
They should have a shoot to kill order for the boarder guards. That way the people crossing wouldn't want to cross.

Re: The $1.6 BILLION Fence

Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:12 pm
by Appaholic
grizzaholic wrote:
Appaholic wrote:
nah....that would make too much sense....
They should have a shoot to kill order for the boarder guards. That way the people crossing wouldn't want to cross.
Just show them the latest economic fgures at the border....that will turn back 50% of them.....

Re: The $1.6 BILLION Fence

Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:15 pm
by grizzaholic
Appaholic wrote:
grizzaholic wrote:
They should have a shoot to kill order for the boarder guards. That way the people crossing wouldn't want to cross.
Just show them the latest economic fgures at the border....that will turn back 50% of them.....
:lol: :lol: :lol: