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Without all those business killing and pesky environmental regulations about emissions and such we could have our factories and jobs back and look like Beijing Does today...

A man wears a mask on Tiananmen Square in thick haze in Beijing Tuesday, Jan. 29, 2013. Extremely high pollution levels shrouded eastern China for the second time in about two weeks Tuesday, forcing airlines in Beijing and elsewhere to cancel flights because of poor visibility and prompting government warnings for residents to stay indoors.

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And I'm sure all that pollution has abosolutely zero affect on our atmosphere.

What, no picture of a burning river?

Personally I'm a fan of clean air and water.

Looks like SLC.

ASUG8 wrote:Personally I'm a fan of clean air and water.

Some people might even say it pays their bills.

ASUG8 wrote:Personally I'm a fan of clean air and water.

Nothing wrong with a few extra minerals in your air and water. Think of it as a daily vitamin.

Is that really happening because a lack of regulations or because Beijing is just a very foggy city with a lot of smokestacks?

I'm not sure people who are upset with the EPA necessarily want to roll back evnironmental regulations, or even if they do, to roll them back to Chinese levels. I imagine there are plenty of people who are opposed to the EPA starting from where we are today and redoubling the number of regulations and reduction targets.

GannonFan wrote:I'm not sure people who are upset with the EPA necessarily want to roll back evnironmental regulations, or even if they do, to roll them back to Chinese levels. I imagine there are plenty of people who are opposed to the EPA starting from where we are today and redoubling the number of regulations and reduction targets.

Stop making sense. You'll break the internet.

GannonFan wrote:I'm not sure people who are upset with the EPA necessarily want to roll back evnironmental regulations, or even if they do, to roll them back to Chinese levels. I imagine there are plenty of people who are opposed to the EPA starting from where we are today and redoubling the number of regulations and reduction targets.

It's the "going too far" thing. Once we establish a regulatory agency they don't know when to stop.

I don't know what the solution is. It's good to have some reasonable regulation related to the environment, public health, etc. Having none at all results in horrible living conditions. But then you establish agencies responsible for doing stuff like that and before you know it a woman gets popped for making cookies in her house and selling them because she doesn't have a three compartment sink. Or you get carbon dioxide, a gas we exhale every time we breath out, declared to be a "pollutant."

You create this regulatory culture and they just go bonkers.

kalm wrote:Without all those business killing and pesky environmental regulations about emissions and such we could have our factories and jobs back and look like Beijing Does today...

A man wears a mask on Tiananmen Square in thick haze in Beijing Tuesday, Jan. 29, 2013. Extremely high pollution levels shrouded eastern China for the second time in about two weeks Tuesday, forcing airlines in Beijing and elsewhere to cancel flights because of poor visibility and prompting government warnings for residents to stay indoors.

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And I'm sure all that pollution has abosolutely zero affect on our atmosphere.

I'm in Beijing right now and that is what the air looks like. It's kind of like living at a truck stop and breathing diesel fumes 24x7. Respiratory infection here I come ...

JohnStOnge wrote:

GannonFan wrote:I'm not sure people who are upset with the EPA necessarily want to roll back evnironmental regulations, or even if they do, to roll them back to Chinese levels. I imagine there are plenty of people who are opposed to the EPA starting from where we are today and redoubling the number of regulations and reduction targets.

It's the "going too far" thing. Once we establish a regulatory agency they don't know when to stop.

I don't know what the solution is. It's good to have some reasonable regulation related to the environment, public health, etc. Having none at all results in horrible living conditions. But then you establish agencies responsible for doing stuff like that and before you know it a woman gets popped for making cookies in her house and selling them because she doesn't have a three compartment sink. Or you get carbon dioxide, a gas we exhale every time we breath out, declared to be a "pollutant."

You create this regulatory culture and they just go bonkers.

I get and have to deal with the "going too far" quite a bit, and I agree. But I've heard talk of eliminating the EPA, self regulation, and "clean" coal often enough that I felt a reminder was in order.

So you're welcome.

kalm wrote:

JohnStOnge wrote:
It's the "going too far" thing. Once we establish a regulatory agency they don't know when to stop.

I don't know what the solution is. It's good to have some reasonable regulation related to the environment, public health, etc. Having none at all results in horrible living conditions. But then you establish agencies responsible for doing stuff like that and before you know it a woman gets popped for making cookies in her house and selling them because she doesn't have a three compartment sink. Or you get carbon dioxide, a gas we exhale every time we breath out, declared to be a "pollutant."

You create this regulatory culture and they just go bonkers.

I get and have to deal with the "going too far" quite a bit, and I agree. But I've heard talk of eliminating the EPA, self regulation, and "clean" coal often enough that I felt a reminder was in order.

So you're welcome.

And let's not forget that this is a Donk Paradise - a socialist country with a nanny state government telling people how to think and how to live. I always thought liberals tended to be pro-environment but I guess once they're in charge they start thinking about their wallet and maximizing their powerbase.

Pwns wrote:Is that really happening because a lack of regulations or because Beijing is just a very foggy city with a lot of smokestacks?

Beijing was extremely bad but I was in Xi'an (1000 miles away) as well and the pollution was bad there too. I don't blame the Chinese, they're a large country with an extremely large population and they're trying to industrialize quickly. If the U.S. had industrialized 100 years later we would likely have had similar problems. I do think that the Chinese and others need to be pressured to do something about it.

UNI88 wrote:

Pwns wrote:Is that really happening because a lack of regulations or because Beijing is just a very foggy city with a lot of smokestacks?

Beijing was extremely bad but I was in Xi'an (1000 miles away) as well and the pollution was bad there too. I don't blame the Chinese, they're a large country with an extremely large population and they're trying to industrialize quickly. If the U.S. had industrialized 100 years later we would likely have had similar problems. I do think that the Chinese and others need to be pressured to do something about it.

We could loan them Al Gore...

UNI88 wrote:

kalm wrote:
I get and have to deal with the "going too far" quite a bit, and I agree. But I've heard talk of eliminating the EPA, self regulation, and "clean" coal often enough that I felt a reminder was in order.

So you're welcome.

And let's not forget that this is a Donk Paradise - a socialist country with a nanny state government telling people how to think and how to live. I always thought liberals tended to be pro-environment but I guess once they're in charge they start thinking about their wallet and maximizing their powerbase.

I see the movie Spaceballs has finally made it to China.

"I’d say when your City is so polluted they’re selling cans of fresh air, things have environmentally taken a turn for the worse. The Chinese city of Beijing is so polluted with smog, that residents experience headaches and breathing problems as a result of this constant exposure. An entrepreneurial Chinese billionaire, Chen Guanbyao, has used this situation as a way of capitalizing on his wealth and now sells canned “fresh air” to locals on the city’s streets."

Read more at http://thechive.com/2013/02/01/canned-f ... 67PBQB4.99" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

As I mentioned in the fishing thread I caught two magnificent native redband rainbows this morning out of the Spokane...a river that 40 some years ago was mostly sterile, igniteable, and unusable for people. Today, thanks to mining regs upstream and a ban on phosphates and other industrial pollutants being dumped directly into the river it has not only become a blue ribbon trout stream but is also popular with kayakers, white rafters, for paddle boarding, and swimming.

Thanks EPA!!!

kalm wrote:As I mentioned in the fishing thread I caught two magnificent native redband rainbows this morning out of the Spokane...a river that 40 some years ago was mostly sterile, igniteable, and unusable for people. Today, thanks to mining regs upstream and a ban on phosphates and other industrial pollutants being dumped directly into the river it has not only become a blue ribbon trout stream but is also popular with kayakers, white rafters, for paddle boarding, and swimming.

Thanks EPA!!!

Another win for Big Government!!

kalm wrote:As I mentioned in the fishing thread I caught two magnificent native redband rainbows this morning out of the Spokane...a river that 40 some years ago was mostly sterile, igniteable, and unusable for people. Today, thanks to mining regs upstream and a ban on phosphates and other industrial pollutants being dumped directly into the river it has not only become a blue ribbon trout stream but is also popular with kayakers, white rafters, for paddle boarding, and swimming.

Thanks EPA!!!

Why don't black rafters like it?

BTW, it is nice to have some regulation on shit that affects our environment. Sounds like a win to me.

UNI88 wrote:

kalm wrote:Without all those business killing and pesky environmental regulations about emissions and such we could have our factories and jobs back and look like Beijing Does today...






http://news.yahoo.com/photos/china-s-ai ... 21270.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And I'm sure all that pollution has abosolutely zero affect on our atmosphere.

I'm in Beijing right now and that is what the air looks like. It's kind of like living at a truck stop and breathing diesel fumes 24x7. Respiratory infection here I come ...

Say Hi to SomeonE for all of us!

Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:

kalm wrote:As I mentioned in the fishing thread I caught two magnificent native redband rainbows this morning out of the Spokane...a river that 40 some years ago was mostly sterile, igniteable, and unusable for people. Today, thanks to mining regs upstream and a ban on phosphates and other industrial pollutants being dumped directly into the river it has not only become a blue ribbon trout stream but is also popular with kayakers, white rafters, for paddle boarding, and swimming.

Thanks EPA!!!

Why don't black rafters like it?

We don't have any.

kalm wrote:

Ursus A. Horribilis wrote: Why don't black rafters like it?

We don't have any.

WHat about those three guys you saw?