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We don't want to follow that law...
Congressional leaders in both parties are engaged in high-level, confidential talks about exempting lawmakers and Capitol Hill aides from the insurance exchanges they are mandated to join as part of President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul, sources in both parties said.

The talks — which involve Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), the Obama administration and other top lawmakers — are extraordinarily sensitive, with both sides acutely aware of the potential for political fallout from giving carve-outs from the hugely controversial law to 535 lawmakers and thousands of their aides. Discussions have stretched out for months, sources said.

A source close to the talks says: “Everyone has to hold hands on this and jump, or nothing is going to get done.”
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One lawmaker is quoted as saying if Obamacare goes into effect as written, it will cause a "brain-drain" as staffers bail out...






I guess they are finally reading the law they passed without reading...
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Col Hogan wrote:

One lawmaker is quoted as saying if Obamacare goes into effect as written, it will cause a "brain-drain" as staffers bail out.
I highly doubt that, great quote though as always from those making shit up. There are over 2000 staffers making over Six Figures, with around 40+ making just under 200,000. Now that doesn't even start to mention the numerous perks they receive. Remind me again how many days a week they actually put in? There are numerous others that would never make in the real world. Why, because none of these fuckers have ever had a real job and they don't want one now either.
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I was reading an article earlier in the day today (link not easily found now) that talked about Maryland's insurance exchanges, which is one of the first states on line. In Maryland, the average premium for a young, healthy male is going to go up 150%. Basically, those with the lowest health risk are going to be punished severely to subsidize the stroke candidates and institutionalized medical patients.

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polsongrizz wrote:
Col Hogan wrote:

One lawmaker is quoted as saying if Obamacare goes into effect as written, it will cause a "brain-drain" as staffers bail out.
I highly doubt that, great quote though as always from those making shit up. There are over 2000 staffers making over Six Figures, with around 40+ making just under 200,000. Now that doesn't even start to mention the numerous perks they receive. Remind me again how many days a week they actually put in? There are numerous others that would never make in the real world. Why, because none of these fuckers have ever had a real job and they don't want one now either.
Psst. Six figures is chump change in DC. Don't ask me how I know.
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93henfan wrote:
polsongrizz wrote: I highly doubt that, great quote though as always from those making shit up. There are over 2000 staffers making over Six Figures, with around 40+ making just under 200,000. Now that doesn't even start to mention the numerous perks they receive. Remind me again how many days a week they actually put in? There are numerous others that would never make in the real world. Why, because none of these fuckers have ever had a real job and they don't want one now either.
Psst. Six figures is chump change in DC. Don't ask me how I know.
You're absolutely right, at least for the normal person it is. I wonder why none of these guys have quite then and got a real job. Or why they even ran for it in the first place being as they are surely not able to make ends meet as it is... :mrgreen:
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More buffoonery from both sides.
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dbackjon wrote:More buffoonery from both sides.
Indeed...passing Obamacare was pure buffoonery for everyone involved. :thumb:
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93henfan wrote:I was reading an article earlier in the day today (link not easily found now) that talked about Maryland's insurance exchanges, which is one of the first states on line. In Maryland, the average premium for a young, healthy male is going to go up 150%. Basically, those with the lowest health risk are going to be punished severely to subsidize the stroke candidates and institutionalized medical patients.

Gotta love it.
Yep, the younger, healthier are getting screwed. At the end of March:

"Study estimates Obamacare could raise individual claim costs 32 percent

One of the nation's premier experts in numbers has a tough diagnosis for President Barack Obama's health care law.

In a report that could prove a big political headache for the administration, the Society of Actuaries estimated Tuesday that insurers will have to pay out an average of 32 percent more for claims on individual health policies under the Affordable Care Act, a cost likely to be passed on to consumers.

While some areas will see declines in medical claims costs, the report predicts the majority of states will see double-digit increases in their individual health insurance markets, where people purchase coverage directly from insurers rather than get coverage from employers.

By 2017, the estimated increase would be 62 percent for California, about 80 percent in Ohio and Wisconsin, more than 20 percent for Florida and 67 percent for Maryland. Much of the reason for the higher claims costs is that sicker people are expected to join the pool, the report said........"
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Article from yesterday:

Maryland Offers Glimpse at Obamacare Insurance Math
Proposed premiums for new policies for individuals will rise by 25 percent on average next year.

"......................Late Tuesday Maryland regulators posted proposed rates and benefits for health plans to be sold through an online exchange, a step required under the health act, known as the Maryland Health Connection.

Maryland is an important state to watch because it has embraced Obamacare’s insurance reforms, setting up its own marketplace. But there have been serious concerns that the insurance offered there — and on every other exchange across the country — might be too expensive for people to buy.

While most Marylanders younger than 65 have health plans through employers, the exchange’s plans for individuals and small employers are expected to play a key role in bringing coverage to the state’s 700,000 uninsured. That’s about 12 percent of the state’s population.

Many have warned that guaranteeing coverage at regulated prices for sick people would drive up the cost of insurance in the individual market. The ACA prohibits charging sicker members substantially more but allows plans to adjust premiums for age and other factors, within strict limits.

Taking those factors into account, CareFirst premiums for individual plans could rise as high as 150 percent next year for healthy young men and decrease slightly for someone older and sicker, Burrell said.......
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If your one of these young, healthy, single 20 or even 30 something folks you'd be stupid to pay 150% more for individual coverage. Would be better to just pay the fine, which will be much less than the cost of the insurance, and only buy the insurance if you get sick. Since coverage can't be denied, can simply buy it if/when you get sick.

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For years, ObamaCare critics focused on its least popular feature — the mandate that everyone buy insurance — taking their fight all the way to the Supreme Court.

But as ObamaCare's official launch date approaches, even its backers are beginning to admit that the law could actually create powerful incentives for millions of people and thousands of businesses to drop their coverage, despite the mandate.

There is growing concern, for example, that the law's market reforms will cause a huge "rate shock," particularly for those young and healthy.

A February survey of major health insurance companies in five cities across the country found that they expect premiums for this group to climb an average 169%.

Aetna CEO Mark Bertolini said late last year that he expects premiums to double for some small businesses and some individuals as a result of the law.

And state insurance commissioners are worried as well.

"We are very concerned," California Insurance Commissioner Dave Jones told federal health officials at a December meeting, "if there is so much rate shock for young people that they're bound not to purchase (health insurance) at all."

The cause of this rate shock is simple: ObamaCare imposes what is called "community rating" on insurance companies, effectively forcing them to charge the young and healthy more so they can charge older and sicker consumers less.

The five-city survey, for example, found that while the law will jack up rates for the young, it will lower them an average 22% for older and sicker customers.

At the same time, ObamaCare also forbids insurance companies from turning anyone down — a reform called "guaranteed issue" — which also will provide an incentive for some to drop coverage, knowing they can get it back any time.

"Even with the tax penalty ... some healthy people would avoid purchasing coverage until they are sick," Howard Shapiro, director of public policy at the Alliance of Community Health Plans, told regulators .

The problem is that if the young and healthy drop coverage, the result would be what the industry calls a "death spiral." Premiums will climb as the pool of insured gets sicker, causing still more to cancel their policies.

This is just what happened in states that imposed strict community rating and guaranteed issue reforms in the past. In fact, of the eight states that did so, most ended up either dropping the reforms or loosening the rules after they saw enrollment decline and premiums climb.

ObamaCare backers say the law's subsidies will keep premium costs down, while the mandate to buy insurance will keep the young and healthy in the market.

But even they admit that the subsidies won't protect everyone from ObamaCare-caused rate shocks, and the mandate is likely to prove too weak to be very effective.

In fact, the annual penalty for not buying insurance will be as low as $95 in 2014, and even when the mandate penalty is fully phased in by 2016 it will be modest relative to the cost of buying insurance.

In one illustrative example provided by the IRS , a family earning $120,000 in 2016 would owe just $2,400 in "shared responsibility payments" — the administration's new euphemism for the penalty — while buying insurance would run them, in the IRS example, at least $20,000.

In addition, after 2016, the penalty amounts will be indexed to inflation, even though insurance premiums have consistently risen much faster than the CPI, which means "shared responsibility payment" will be less of a deterrent over time.

On top of all this, the IRS has virtually no ability to collect the penalties from those who don't pay them. As the IRS itself explains, the law forbids the agency from imposing liens or criminal penalties, leaving it few options beyond deducting the penalty from tax refunds.

The Obama administration knows this poses a potential problem. In fact, in late November it asked the industry to offer ideas on how it could "discourage consumers from abusing guaranteed availability rights."

The industry's response: Make the penalties even tougher, something lawmakers are unlikely to want to do.

The same problem threatens to undermine ObamaCare on the business side, if companies decide that paying a penalty is cheaper than providing an increasingly expensive benefit to workers.

The Congressional Budget Office now expects that employers will dump coverage for7 million workers as a result of ObamaCare, nearly double its previous forecast. And it says the figure could be as high as 20 million.

At the same time, small companies will have an incentive to cut their full-time workforce to below 50 to avoid the mandate altogether. In fact, the IRS recently had to issue a warning to companies about using various tricks to dodge the employer mandate.
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OK, good. I wasn't lying. :lol:
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polsongrizz wrote:
Col Hogan wrote:

One lawmaker is quoted as saying if Obamacare goes into effect as written, it will cause a "brain-drain" as staffers bail out.
I highly doubt that, great quote though as always from those making shit up. There are over 2000 staffers making over Six Figures, with around 40+ making just under 200,000. Now that doesn't even start to mention the numerous perks they receive. Remind me again how many days a week they actually put in? There are numerous others that would never make in the real world. Why, because none of these fuckers have ever had a real job and they don't want one now either.
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Ibanez wrote:
polsongrizz wrote: I highly doubt that, great quote though as always from those making **** up. There are over 2000 staffers making over Six Figures, with around 40+ making just under 200,000. Now that doesn't even start to mention the numerous perks they receive. Remind me again how many days a week they actually put in? There are numerous others that would never make in the real world. Why, because none of these **** have ever had a real job and they don't want one now either.
Congressional staffers work harder than those elected to congress.
TBH, a six figure salary in DC can still mean you're eating Ramen and riding Metro. With roommates.


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CID1990 wrote:
Ibanez wrote: Congressional staffers work harder than those elected to congress.
TBH, a six figure salary in DC can still mean you're eating Ramen and riding Metro. With roommates.


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Or commuting 60-80 miles each way for affordable housing either:
-west all the way to Front Royal or Winchester.
-or southwest to Culpepper.
-or south past Fredericksburg to King George, southern Spotsylvania County or Caroline County.

Most anything within 50+ miles is ridiculous. Didn't always use to be that way. (I grew up outside of Fredericksburg in Spotsylvania County).
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CID1990 wrote:
Ibanez wrote: Congressional staffers work harder than those elected to congress.
TBH, a six figure salary in DC can still mean you're eating Ramen and riding Metro. With roommates.


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CID1990 wrote:
Ibanez wrote: Congressional staffers work harder than those elected to congress.
TBH, a six figure salary in DC can still mean you're eating Ramen and riding Metro. With roommates.


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And yet you don't see them bailing from those "crappy" jobs.
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DC is expensive as hell. Dad lives in Adams Morgan, and everytime I go visit Im amazed at how young the city is. Early 20 somethings in million dollar houses
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eagleskins wrote:DC is expensive as hell. Dad lives in Adams Morgan, and everytime I go visit Im amazed at how young the city is. Early 20 somethings in million dollar houses
Those would most likely be consultants and lobbyists. Congressional staffers are the wannabes.


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BDKJMU wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
TBH, a six figure salary in DC can still mean you're eating Ramen and riding Metro. With roommates.


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Or commuting 60-80 miles each way for affordable housing either:
-west all the way to Front Royal or Winchester.
-or southwest to Culpepper.
-or south past Fredericksburg to King George, southern Spotsylvania County or Caroline County.

Most anything within 50+ miles is ridiculous. Didn't always use to be that way. (I grew up outside of Fredericksburg in Spotsylvania County).
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CID1990 wrote:
Ibanez wrote: Congressional staffers work harder than those elected to congress.
TBH, a six figure salary in DC can still mean you're eating Ramen and riding Metro. With roommates.


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I'm well aware of that. It's the same for NYC. BUt to say those staffers don't work is a flat out lie. They work harder than the congressmen. They are the ones up late reading and actually writing the legislation. They are the ones going to 7 different meetings that the Senator of Representative couldn't possibly attend.
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CID1990 wrote:
eagleskins wrote:DC is expensive as hell. Dad lives in Adams Morgan, and everytime I go visit Im amazed at how young the city is. Early 20 somethings in million dollar houses
Those would most likely be consultants and lobbyists. Congressional staffers are the wannabes.


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Yup. Lobbyists make serious money and many of them are former congressional staffers. Those years spent busting your ass off for Rep. Pelosi can net you big $$$ with lobbying orgs.
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TBH, a six figure salary in DC can still mean you're eating Ramen and riding Metro. With roommates.


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And yet you don't see them bailing from those "crappy" jobs.
So, what's your point? ObamaCare is a good policy because these people aren't quitting their jobs? :suspicious:
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polsongrizz wrote: And yet you don't see them bailing from those "crappy" jobs.
So, what's your point? ObamaCare is a good policy because these people aren't quitting their jobs? :suspicious:
The point is that these people and many others are lined up for these jobs. If it is soooooo bad why is that? It is not because of crappy pay.
As for Obamacare, the vast majority of people who hate it, do so for one reason and one reason only. A black guy named Obama beat there guy for President. Same as for those who like it. The simple fact is that nobody on here or anywhere else really knows what will happen pertaining to it and this country until it is implemented. Those that hate it will manipulate the facts to their advantage and visa versa on the other side.
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polsongrizz wrote:
ASUMountaineer wrote:
So, what's your point? ObamaCare is a good policy because these people aren't quitting their jobs? :suspicious:
The point is that these people and many others are lined up for these jobs. If it is soooooo bad why is that? It is not because of crappy pay.
As for Obamacare, the vast majority of people who hate it, do so for one reason and one reason only. A black guy named Obama beat there guy for President. Same as for those who like it. The simple fact is that nobody on here or anywhere else really knows what will happen pertaining to it and this country until it is implemented. Those that hate it will manipulate the facts to their advantage and visa versa on the other side.
Which is why it is bad legislation, and should never have been passed in it's current state.

My criticism from the get-go was that it was bad legislation that is not geared towards solving the problem it was intended to solve. Obama's first mistake was letting the Democrats in Congress write the legislation. Now, we have legislation that no one knows how it will work, be applied, and what the end result will be. The only thing that can be certain is that the insurance and pharmaceutical companies are the true winners.

Not all criticism is partisan, but I'm sure you know that.

Lastly, I don't think anyone said the jobs were "soooooo bad." The point was made that $100,000 in DC is not the same as $100,000 in Topeka, for example. I agree with you, I think (I'm still not sure I get your stance), that these people should not be exempted from ObamaCare. They should have to go down with the rest of us.
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