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Costco Labels Bible as Fiction

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 5:32 am
by kalm
Maybe should have placed this in T-man's "I'm offended thread"... :lol:
What do the Bible, "The Hunger Games" and "Fifty Shades of Grey" have in common? All three are works of fiction, according to the booksellers at Costco.

Pastor Caleb Kaltenbach made that shocking discovery last Friday as he was shopping for a present for his wife at a Costco in Simi Valley, Calif.

“All the Bibles were labeled as fiction,” the pastor told me. “It seemed bizarre to me.”

Kaltenbach is the lead pastor at Discovery Church, a non-denominational Christian congregation in southern California.

He thought there must be some sort of mistake so he scoured the shelf for other Bibles. Every copy was plastered with a sticker that read, “$14.99 Fiction.”

The pastor knew something must be amiss so he set off in search of a Costco employee hoping for an answer. Unfortunately, he couldn’t find anyone willing to answer his question (which is not all that surprising if you’ve shopped at Costco).

Since no one in the store was willing to offer assistance, the good shepherd of Discovery Church snapped a photograph of the Bible and tweeted it to his flock.

“People are pretty shocked and upset,” he told me. “We are supposed to be living in an era of tolerance, but what Costco did doesn’t seem too tolerant.”

I doubt they would label the Koran as fiction, Pastor Kaltenbach said. Heaven help us if they did.

“If they don’t believe in the Bible, that’s fine – but at least label it as ‘religion’ as some bookstores do, or ‘inspiration’,” he said.

So does the warehouse store that sells laundry detergent by the gallon have a problem with the Word of God?

I called Costco headquarters in Issaquah, Wash. hoping to get answers. The nice lady who answered the phone told me she was aware of the issue and chalked it up to a “human error at a warehouse.”



“Let’s hope Costco’s explanation is true and not the result of having been caught attempting to marginalize the very foundation of Christian beliefs, the Bible,” Pastor Jeffress told me. “Christians need to call out organizations like Costco whose actions undermine Christianity – regardless of whether those actions are accidental or intentional.”
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Re: Costco Labels Bible as Fiction

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:19 am
by Vidav
I don't understand the problem. Other than they cost $14.99. :coffee:

Re: Costco Labels Bible as Fiction

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:27 am
by Vidav
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Re: Costco Labels Bible as Fiction

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:45 am
by GannonFan
Costco sells bibles? I didn't know they even sell books.

Re: Costco Labels Bible as Fiction

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:35 am
by Grizalltheway
GannonFan wrote:Costco sells bibles? I didn't know they even sell books.
You gotta look with your eyes, ganny.

Re: Costco Labels Bible as Fiction

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:18 am
by HI54UNI
GannonFan wrote:Costco sells bibles? I didn't know they even sell books.
I thought almost everyplace sells books anymore. You can buy books at the kwik-e-mart.

Re: Costco Labels Bible as Fiction

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:20 am
by Ibanez
Again, I don't see the problem.

Today, nobody can write a book like that. A genuine, sincere person couldn't claim to be a prophet and write anything like that without. Yet, we don't know the authors of the Bible and millions take it at its word.

A flood that covered the Earth? A baby born to a virgin? Fire Tornado leading Jews out of Egypt. A burning bush? Yea, that sounds legit.

Re: Costco Labels Bible as Fiction

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:53 am
by Chizzang
I'm at the Costco HQ offices in Issaquah every quarter... and I can assure you
That was NOT an error / that company doesn't make errors / what it was, was a joke
Last year they were selling one gallon jugs of Dish Soap as "Fountain Cleaner"

because every high school kids know this is what happens

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Re: Costco Labels Bible as Fiction

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 1:11 pm
by GannonFan
Ibanez wrote:Again, I don't see the problem.

Today, nobody can write a book like that. A genuine, sincere person couldn't claim to be a prophet and write anything like that without. Yet, we don't know the authors of the Bible and millions take it at its word.

A flood that covered the Earth? A baby born to a virgin? Fire Tornado leading Jews out of Egypt. A burning bush? Yea, that sounds legit.
A whole universe, or multiple universes, created out of nothingness. Crazy stuff right there. :coffee:

Re: Costco Labels Bible as Fiction

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 1:19 pm
by Ibanez
GannonFan wrote:
Ibanez wrote:Again, I don't see the problem.

Today, nobody can write a book like that. A genuine, sincere person couldn't claim to be a prophet and write anything like that without. Yet, we don't know the authors of the Bible and millions take it at its word.

A flood that covered the Earth? A baby born to a virgin? Fire Tornado leading Jews out of Egypt. A burning bush? Yea, that sounds legit.
A whole universe, or multiple universes, created out of nothingness. Crazy stuff right there. :coffee:
Explaining it via angels, devils, epic celestial battles and unnatural occurrences makes a lot of sense.

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And then God, he wanted something to do, so he created a universe full of animlas, plants and people. He gave them free will and tempted them with a tree of knowledge of good and evil. He forbade them to seek knowledge and when Adam and Eve ate from the tree, he damned them for seeking knowledge. So Adam and Eve sinned, created humanity through incest and so loved his people that he made them sinners. He would often get upset at his sinful people that he would kill them, give them boils, trick them into almost killing their children. Finally he then sent himself to Earth to be sacrificed to himself to save humanity from himself. This was all before the aliens but dinosaur fossils in the ground. Now run along and don't question it or else you're a sinner!

Re: Costco Labels Bible as Fiction

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 1:29 pm
by GannonFan
Ibanez wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
A whole universe, or multiple universes, created out of nothingness. Crazy stuff right there. :coffee:
Explaining it via angels, devils, epic celestial battles and unnatural occurrences makes a lot of sense.

Image
And then God, he wanted something to do, so he created a universe full of animlas, plants and people. He gave them free will and tempted them with a tree of knowledge of good and evil. He forbade them to seek knowledge and when Adam and Eve ate from the tree, he damned them for seeking knowledge. So Adam and Eve sinned, created humanity through incest and so loved his people that he made them sinners. He would often get upset at his sinful people that he would kill them, give them boils, trick them into almost killing their children. Finally he then sent himself to Earth to be sacrificed to himself to save humanity from himself. This was all before the aliens but dinosaur fossils in the ground. Now run along and don't question it or else you're a sinner!
Eh, it's unexplanable no matter what words or ideas you use.

Re: Costco Labels Bible as Fiction

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:02 pm
by Grizalltheway
GannonFan wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
Explaining it via angels, devils, epic celestial battles and unnatural occurrences makes a lot of sense.

Image
And then God, he wanted something to do, so he created a universe full of animlas, plants and people. He gave them free will and tempted them with a tree of knowledge of good and evil. He forbade them to seek knowledge and when Adam and Eve ate from the tree, he damned them for seeking knowledge. So Adam and Eve sinned, created humanity through incest and so loved his people that he made them sinners. He would often get upset at his sinful people that he would kill them, give them boils, trick them into almost killing their children. Finally he then sent himself to Earth to be sacrificed to himself to save humanity from himself. This was all before the aliens but dinosaur fossils in the ground. Now run along and don't question it or else you're a sinner!
Eh, it's unexplanable no matter what words or ideas you use.
Yeah, that's why creation myths came about in the first place. Thankfully science also came along. :thumb:

Re: Costco Labels Bible as Fiction

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:07 pm
by Ibanez
GannonFan wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
Explaining it via angels, devils, epic celestial battles and unnatural occurrences makes a lot of sense.

Image
And then God, he wanted something to do, so he created a universe full of animlas, plants and people. He gave them free will and tempted them with a tree of knowledge of good and evil. He forbade them to seek knowledge and when Adam and Eve ate from the tree, he damned them for seeking knowledge. So Adam and Eve sinned, created humanity through incest and so loved his people that he made them sinners. He would often get upset at his sinful people that he would kill them, give them boils, trick them into almost killing their children. Finally he then sent himself to Earth to be sacrificed to himself to save humanity from himself. This was all before the aliens but dinosaur fossils in the ground. Now run along and don't question it or else you're a sinner!
Eh, it's unexplanable no matter what words or ideas you use.
What is explainable? The creation of the Earth? Who knows. Was it divine intervention? Big Bang? I don't know.

Spiritually, I feel there is some supreme being. But I don't believe that it allowed the laws of science be suspended the way it is preached. I don't believe a group of illiterate, Arabic fisherman* wrote books of their encounters with a man. This is why I like deism. There's no magic. It's natural.
Spoiler: show
*On that note, in our age where Arab names are always in the news it's never a Saul, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Thomas, Peter, Paul, Joseph, Mary, etc.. What's that about?

Re: Costco Labels Bible as Fiction

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:26 pm
by GannonFan
Grizalltheway wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
Eh, it's unexplanable no matter what words or ideas you use.
Yeah, that's why creation myths came about in the first place. Thankfully science also came along. :thumb:
Science doesn't explain creation - never has and likely never will. I'm a scientist and I'm okay with that. There's plenty we don't know, and that just means we have a lot more to learn. Nothing wrong with that.

Re: Costco Labels Bible as Fiction

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:30 pm
by grizzaholic
Who cares. How has everyone in this country become so PC and gets offended by the littlest things? Is it just to feel something?

Re: Costco Labels Bible as Fiction

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 5:11 pm
by Pwns
What were the other sections of books? I imagine Costco doesn't have an overly large selection of books with a lot of different sections. If the store had some self-help books in non-fiction (the vast majority self-help books are crap) I could see being offended.

Re: Costco Labels Bible as Fiction

Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 7:25 am
by D1B
GannonFan wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:
Yeah, that's why creation myths came about in the first place. Thankfully science also came along. :thumb:
Science doesn't explain creation - never has and likely never will. I'm a scientist and I'm okay with that. There's plenty we don't know, and that just means we have a lot more to learn. Nothing wrong with that.
It explains how humans evolved from fish though, and that's a big one. The bible or religion will never and has never come close.

You ain't a scientist either, catholic fuck. You're an actor.

Re: Costco Labels Bible as Fiction

Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:31 am
by GannonFan
D1B wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
Science doesn't explain creation - never has and likely never will. I'm a scientist and I'm okay with that. There's plenty we don't know, and that just means we have a lot more to learn. Nothing wrong with that.
It explains how humans evolved from fish though, and that's a big one. The bible or religion will never and has never come close.

You ain't a scientist either, catholic ****. You're an actor.
Chemical engineer now for 20 years, thank you. You probably would have trouble spelling that profession if not for the spell check. And yes, there will always be mysteries that neither science nor religion will ever indisputably solve. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try though. :thumb:

Re: Costco Labels Bible as Fiction

Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:44 am
by Chizzang
GannonFan wrote:
D1B wrote:
It explains how humans evolved from fish though, and that's a big one. The bible or religion will never and has never come close.

You ain't a scientist either, catholic ****. You're an actor.
Chemical engineer now for 20 years, thank you. You probably would have trouble spelling that profession if not for the spell check. And yes, there will always be mysteries that neither science nor religion will ever indisputably solve. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try though. :thumb:
For me it's all about when Religion actually interferes with common sense, logic and observable data...
When that happens we're actively regressing

(Lets not do that) :mrgreen:

I get the whole un- explained mysteries of the universe and how that creates a window for man to see God

Re: Costco Labels Bible as Fiction

Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:48 am
by GannonFan
Chizzang wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
Chemical engineer now for 20 years, thank you. You probably would have trouble spelling that profession if not for the spell check. And yes, there will always be mysteries that neither science nor religion will ever indisputably solve. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try though. :thumb:
For me it's all about when Religion actually interferes with common sense, logic and observable data...
When that happens we're actively regressing

(Lets not do that) :mrgreen:

I get the whole un- explained mysteries of the universe and how that creates a window for man to see God
Agreed - people letting one interfere with the other just don't get it or don't want to get it.

Re: Costco Labels Bible as Fiction

Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:50 am
by Ibanez
GannonFan wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
For me it's all about when Religion actually interferes with common sense, logic and observable data...
When that happens we're actively regressing

(Lets not do that) :mrgreen:

I get the whole un- explained mysteries of the universe and how that creates a window for man to see God
Agreed - people letting one interfere with the other just don't get it or don't want to get it.
Second this.

Re: Costco Labels Bible as Fiction

Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:29 am
by D1B
GannonFan wrote:
D1B wrote:
It explains how humans evolved from fish though, and that's a big one. The bible or religion will never and has never come close.

You ain't a scientist either, catholic ****. You're an actor.
Chemical engineer now for 20 years, thank you. You probably would have trouble spelling that profession if not for the spell check. And yes, there will always be mysteries that neither science nor religion will ever indisputably solve. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try though. :thumb:

Good for you. You still believe in fucking fairytales - you dumbass.

Re: Costco Labels Bible as Fiction

Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:42 am
by BlueHen86
Ibanez wrote:Again, I don't see the problem.

Today, nobody can write a book like that. A genuine, sincere person couldn't claim to be a prophet and write anything like that without. Yet, we don't know the authors of the Bible and millions take it at its word.

A flood that covered the Earth? A baby born to a virgin? Fire Tornado leading Jews out of Egypt. A burning bush? Yea, that sounds legit.
These are all plots of future Sci-Fi channel movies.

Re: Costco Labels Bible as Fiction

Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:44 am
by kalm
BlueHen86 wrote:
Ibanez wrote:Again, I don't see the problem.

Today, nobody can write a book like that. A genuine, sincere person couldn't claim to be a prophet and write anything like that without. Yet, we don't know the authors of the Bible and millions take it at its word.

A flood that covered the Earth? A baby born to a virgin? Fire Tornado leading Jews out of Egypt. A burning bush? Yea, that sounds legit.
These are all plots of future Sci-Fi channel movies.
They should be on Nat-Geo or Discovery.

Re: Costco Labels Bible as Fiction

Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:47 am
by BlueHen86
kalm wrote:
BlueHen86 wrote:
These are all plots of future Sci-Fi channel movies.
They should be on Nat-Geo or Discovery.
Mega-Shark vs Fire Tornado
Sharknado meets the pregnant virgin with a burning bush.