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Cluck U wrote:Gosh, if only the government could FORCE employers to hire more people while forcing them to be paid more money.


WASHINGTON (AP) — A report by Congress' nonpartisan budget analysts seems to have thrown Democrats onto the defensive after it concluded that the party's drive to boost the federal minimum wage could cost a half-million jobs by 2016.

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Now, about those farm workers...

kalm wrote:

Cluck U wrote:Gosh, if only the government could FORCE employers to hire more people while forcing them to be paid more money.


WASHINGTON (AP) — A report by Congress' nonpartisan budget analysts seems to have thrown Democrats onto the defensive after it concluded that the party's drive to boost the federal minimum wage could cost a half-million jobs by 2016.

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Now, about those farm workers...

So we could loose anywhere between 0 and 1 million jobs?:lol:

Min wage increases historically don't increase unemployment. Perhaps they would this time round.

We got hit with a double whammy last year as the federal payroll tax cuts expired and the state raised the minimum wage. I still hired more workers because...wait for it....demand increased.

What I don't like about min wage increases is that it prevents me from giving raises to higher wage earners.

kalm wrote:So we could loose anywhere between 0 and 1 million jobs?:lol:

Cluck U wrote:Gosh, if only the government could FORCE employers to hire more people while forcing them to be paid more money.


WASHINGTON (AP) — A report by Congress' nonpartisan budget analysts seems to have thrown Democrats onto the defensive after it concluded that the party's drive to boost the federal minimum wage could cost a half-million jobs by 2016.

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kalm wrote:

Cluck U wrote:Gosh, if only the government could FORCE employers to hire more people while forcing them to be paid more money.


WASHINGTON (AP) — A report by Congress' nonpartisan budget analysts seems to have thrown Democrats onto the defensive after it concluded that the party's drive to boost the federal minimum wage could cost a half-million jobs by 2016.

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Now, about those farm workers...

So we could loose anywhere between 0 and 1 million jobs?:lol:

Min wage increases historically don't increase unemployment. Perhaps they would this time round.

We got hit with a double whammy last year as the federal payroll tax cuts expired and the state raised the minimum wage. I still hired more workers because...wait for it....demand increased.

What I don't like about min wage increases is that it prevents me from giving raises to higher wage earners.

BDKJMU wrote:
For businesses/services that emply minimum wage workers, most employers aren't simply going to eat it. It will either lead to:
-higher unemployment. If not layoffs then less new hires in the future than there would have been.
-or higher prices at businesses/services than there otherwise would have been.

or a combination of both. Neither of those is a good thing. And you know very well that for every dollar increase in wages it costs employers a lot more than a dollar once you add on all the payroll taxes, workman's com, unemployment, etc., etc, etc..

Chizzang wrote:

BDKJMU wrote:
For businesses/services that emply minimum wage workers, most employers aren't simply going to eat it. It will either lead to:
-higher unemployment. If not layoffs then less new hires in the future than there would have been.
-or higher prices at businesses/services than there otherwise would have been.

or a combination of both. Neither of those is a good thing. And you know very well that for every dollar increase in wages it costs employers a lot more than a dollar once you add on all the payroll taxes, workman's com, unemployment, etc., etc, etc..

Washington State has the highest Minimum wage in the U.S. at $9.19 (going up to $11.20 I hear) and this has had zero negative effects on hiring... or at least none that seem to be discoverable


I'm told McDonalds in Seattle pays $11.00 already (just to keep the place up and running) otherwise employees walk...

Starbucks starts at $15.00 in Seattle city and Ballard Redmond and Bellevue

BDKJMU wrote:

Chizzang wrote:
Washington State has the highest Minimum wage in the U.S. at $9.19 (going up to $11.20 I hear) and this has had zero negative effects on hiring... or at least none that seem to be discoverable


I'm told McDonalds in Seattle pays $11.00 already (just to keep the place up and running) otherwise employees walk...

Starbucks starts at $15.00 in Seattle city and Ballard Redmond and Bellevue

Do goods and services produced in WA at $9.19 an hr cost the same as goods and services produced in states with the fed $7.25 an hr minimum wage?

Can I get a value meal at McDonalds in Seattle for under $6, including tax?

Again, its going to either mean higher unemployment/less hiring, or higher prices.

Chizzang wrote:

BDKJMU wrote:
Do goods and services produced in WA at $9.19 an hr cost the same as goods and services produced in states with the fed $7.25 an hr minimum wage?

Can I get a value meal at McDonalds in Seattle for under $6, including tax?

Again, its going to either mean higher unemployment/less hiring, or higher prices.

McDonalds and Fast food joints sell their food and the same price in Seattle as they do in North Dakota
and so does Sears and Starbucks

Houses cost more (for sure) but nobody on minimum wage is in the housing market)
Food costs in King County are the same as food costs anywhere / in some cases lower

BDKJMU wrote:

Chizzang wrote:

McDonalds and Fast food joints sell their food and the same price in Seattle as they do in North Dakota
and so does Sears and Starbucks

Houses cost more (for sure) but nobody on minimum wage is in the housing market)
Food costs in King County are the same as food costs anywhere / in some cases lower

If you're talking about anywhere near the oil boom, then yeah. And I noticed you picked ND, the state with the lowest unemployment.

But otherwise, no way. I've been to large, expensive, high tax cities like NYC, Boston, Seattle, San Fran, etc) and been in rural areas in most states all over the country (been to all 50 states) and the fast food in those high cost big cities is almost always more than in the rural areas.

BDKJMU wrote:

Chizzang wrote:

McDonalds and Fast food joints sell their food and the same price in Seattle as they do in North Dakota
and so does Sears and Starbucks

Houses cost more (for sure) but nobody on minimum wage is in the housing market)
Food costs in King County are the same as food costs anywhere / in some cases lower

If you're talking about anywhere near the oil boom, then yeah. And I noticed you picked ND, the state with the lowest unemployment.

But otherwise, no way. I've been to large, expensive, high tax cities like NYC, Boston, Seattle, San Fran, etc) and been in rural areas in most states all over the country (been to all 50 states) and the fast food in those high cost big cities is almost always more than in the rural areas.

houndawg wrote:
Yeah it cost more to live in the city. Fast food, rent, gas, utilities.....

Minimum wage in New Zealand is the equivalent of $11.00/hr here. They have about 6% unemployment. I didn't eat any fast food but the places appear spotless, like the cafes I did eat at. I don't think that you realize how much better of an employee a liveable minimum wage draws.

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Chizzang wrote:

houndawg wrote:
Yeah it cost more to live in the city. Fast food, rent, gas, utilities.....

Minimum wage in New Zealand is the equivalent of $11.00/hr here. They have about 6% unemployment. I didn't eat any fast food but the places appear spotless, like the cafes I did eat at. I don't think that you realize how much better of an employee a liveable minimum wage draws.

It's an interesting situation here in King County (Metro Seattle)
Places like Sears will not pay more than $10.00 and hour
and so they are constantly (always) hiring because they can't keep anybody

Where as Starbucks and a few others have figured out (ingeniously)
That if they pay over $12 they keep the quality people (or at least better workers)

One Department store was offering $15.00 an hour and 30 hours guaranteed
That's making it hard on the low-baller companies like Sears to keep people

houndawg wrote:
Yeah it cost more to live in the city. Fast food, rent, gas, utilities.....

Minimum wage in New Zealand is the equivalent of $11.00/hr here. They have about 6% unemployment. I didn't eat any fast food but the places appear spotless, like the cafes I did eat at. I don't think that you realize how much better of an employee a liveable minimum wage draws.

Cluck U wrote:

Chizzang wrote:
It's an interesting situation here in King County (Metro Seattle)
Places like Sears will not pay more than $10.00 and hour
and so they are constantly (always) hiring because they can't keep anybody

Where as Starbucks and a few others have figured out (ingeniously)
That if they pay over $12 they keep the quality people (or at least better workers)

One Department store was offering $15.00 an hour and 30 hours guaranteed
That's making it hard on the low-baller companies like Sears to keep people

You're beating yourself with your own pompous version of logic.

If Sears starts offering $20/hour, then those Starbucks/department store workers will walk across the street and say goodbye to Starbucks/department store. In the never ending battle for the highest lowest wage, your prices will go up.

It really isn't rocket science, folks.

And yes, fast food in higher wage places does cost more. Someone sued McDonalds (or Burger King, I forget) many years ago when they were advertising their prices on TV. But many franchise owners, specifically those in higher end labor/rent markets such as New York City, Atlantic City, etc. could not afford to sell the burgers at the advertised prices. In the end, a settlement was reached and that's why all of those commercials include the disclaimer, in extremely fine print, "participating" restaurants only.

You are now a more informed consumer and poster.

You're welcome.

houndawg wrote:

Cluck U wrote:
You're beating yourself with your own pompous version of logic.

If Sears starts offering $20/hour, then those Starbucks/department store workers will walk across the street and say goodbye to Starbucks/department store. In the never ending battle for the highest lowest wage, your prices will go up.

It really isn't rocket science, folks.

And yes, fast food in higher wage places does cost more. Someone sued McDonalds (or Burger King, I forget) many years ago when they were advertising their prices on TV. But many franchise owners, specifically those in higher end labor/rent markets such as New York City, Atlantic City, etc. could not afford to sell the burgers at the advertised prices. In the end, a settlement was reached and that's why all of those commercials include the disclaimer, in extremely fine print, "participating" restaurants only.

You are now a more informed consumer and poster.

You're welcome.

That will be a temporary effect, Cuck.

If Sears starts offering $20/hr there will be very little turnover at Sears.

It really isn't rocket science.

houndawg wrote:

Cluck U wrote:
You're beating yourself with your own pompous version of logic.

If Sears starts offering $20/hour, then those Starbucks/department store workers will walk across the street and say goodbye to Starbucks/department store. In the never ending battle for the highest lowest wage, your prices will go up.

It really isn't rocket science, folks.

And yes, fast food in higher wage places does cost more. Someone sued McDonalds (or Burger King, I forget) many years ago when they were advertising their prices on TV. But many franchise owners, specifically those in higher end labor/rent markets such as New York City, Atlantic City, etc. could not afford to sell the burgers at the advertised prices. In the end, a settlement was reached and that's why all of those commercials include the disclaimer, in extremely fine print, "participating" restaurants only.

You are now a more informed consumer and poster.

You're welcome.

That will be a temporary effect, Cuck.

If Sears starts offering $20/hr there will be very little turnover at Sears.