The Ukraine Crisis

[kalm]

Calm down ya lib.

It depends on your priorities. A freely educated public with low cost - positive outcome healthcare or a kickass military and more billionaires.

Everything is a choice.

With that type of deductive reasoning and insight you should start up your own podcast.

Call it "Front Porch Musings from an Old Hippy".

And you’ll be my number one patreon.

Don’t temp me…

[Winterborn]

With that type of deductive reasoning and insight you should start up your own podcast.

Call it "Front Porch Musings from an Old Hippy".

And you’ll be my number one patreon.

Don’t temp me…

Only if I get invited as a guest speaker now and then.

[kalm]

And you’ll be my number one patreon.

Don’t temp me…

Only if I get invited as a guest speaker now and then.

Done.

[Winterborn]

Only if I get invited as a guest speaker now and then.

Done.

I will bring you some good EU spec oil for the vehicle as payment.

[kalm]

Done.

I will bring you some good EU spec oil for the vehicle as payment.

Wait until I upgrade to a 2056 and need to run E10 for the track.

[SDHornet]

Narrative shift.

If I'm Ukrainian I don't buy the territory for peace idea. Russia might settle for now but they'll be back for more later and won't stop until they've gobbled up all of Ukraine. They might not be winning but they're making Russia pay. This is their moment ...

If they want all of Ukraine they'll just take it in the coming months unless NATO sends in troops...

[SDHornet]

[SDHornet]

[SDHornet]

Ground-combat forces that immobilize soldiers in prepared defenses will be identified, targeted, and destroyed from a distance. When persistent overhead intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance assets, whether manned or unmanned, are linked to precision guided-strike weapons or modern artillery systems informed by accurate targeting data, “holding ground” is fatal to any ground force. This is all the more true in Ukraine, because it was apparent from the first action that Moscow focused on the destruction of Ukrainian forces, not on the occupation of cities or the capture of Ukrainian territory west of the Dnieper River.

The result has been the piecemeal annihilation of Ukrainian forces. Only the episodic infusion of U.S. and allied weapons kept Kiev’s battered legions in the field; legions that are now dying in great numbers thanks to Washington’s proxy war.

Kiev’s war with Moscow is lost. Ukrainian forces are being bled white. Trained replacements do not exist in sufficient numbers to influence the battle, and the situation grows more desperate by the hour. No amount of U.S. and allied military aid or assistance short of direct military intervention by U.S. and NATO ground forces can change this harsh reality.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com ... come-home/

[UNI88]

If I'm Ukrainian I don't buy the territory for peace idea. Russia might settle for now but they'll be back for more later and won't stop until they've gobbled up all of Ukraine. They might not be winning but they're making Russia pay. This is their moment ...

If they want all of Ukraine they'll just take it in the coming months unless NATO sends in troops...

Months? Ukrainians have nothing to lose, they'll drag this out for years if the Russian fascists keep pushing.

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[GannonFan]

Just one more reason why Ukraine, absent NATO and the US being on the ground, won't be getting that land back that the Russian invasion has taken, is that European countries are still buying vast quantities of Russian energy. We talk about sanctions all we want, but at the end of the day Russia is just a big gas station pretending to be a nation, and European countries in particular are pumping money back into Russia likely more than they are sanctioning Russia. Like I said elsewhere, Ukraine will ultimately need to bang the door to get into NATO so that Russia won't invade the next time they want to add to their "empire".

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61838905

[kalm]

[SeattleGriz]

We'll see if he is correct.

Interesting people you follow…

2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine

After Russia's invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, Macgregor appeared on three Fox News programs to speak in support of Russia's actions. Russian state television broadcast excerpts of Macgregor's appearances, which included a characterization of Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy as a "puppet," that Russian forces had been "too gentle" in the early days of the invasion and that Russian president Vladimir Putin was being "demonized" by the United States and NATO. Macgregor said he believed Russia should be allowed to seize whatever parts of Ukraine it wanted. After one of his appearances, Macgregor's comments were characterized by veteran Fox News Pentagon correspondent Jennifer Griffin as "appeasement" and that he was being an "apologist" for Putin. After Griffin's remarks, Tucker Carlson — who hosted Macgregor on two successive nights — remarked, "Unlike many of the so-called reporters you see on television, he is not acting secretly as a flack for Lloyd Austin at the Pentagon. No, Doug Macgregor is an honest man." Trey Gowdy, another Fox News host who interviewed Macgregor, said his viewpoint was "stunning and disappointing."[35][36][37][38] U.S. representative Liz Cheney said of Macgregor "This is the Putin wing of the GOP."[39]

From wiki

Huh. My "interesting" guy seemed to call what was actually happening a couple months ago.

[kalm]

Interesting people you follow…



From wiki

Huh. My "interesting" guy seemed to call what was actually happening a couple months ago.

Yes…I’m sure he did.

[SeattleGriz]

Huh. My "interesting" guy seemed to call what was actually happening a couple months ago.

Yes…I’m sure he did.

Just like this guy when I posted it. Correct.

[houndawg]

Oh please.

He can make it stop any time he wants to. He's wanted to reinstall the Iron Curtain from the day he came to power and he should of stayed out of Crimea and eastern Ukraine if he wanted to blame NATO, but he had to fuck around, and now he is finding out. He needs to be made an example of and the Chinese need to be watching when it happens

Unfortunately the Chinese could be learning a whole different lesson. Basically, if you're going to take over a territory that isn't yours and doesn't want to be joined with you, then plan better and make sure you can swiftly take it before any countries can get together to take any action. Heck, despite all the sanctions Russia is facing, they don't appear to be economically destroyed by this. Sure, the poor state of their military is on full display, but they're doing their Russian thing and just plodding forward in spite of their losses. I thought a little differently at the start of the war that this could give China pause, but the longer this thing goes on I think it is less of a deterrent for China and their plans for Taiwan. Heck, considering our own economic misery right now, China could see that as good time to do it - how much more pain to our economy would we be willing to take to stand up for Taiwan, especially if they don't stand up for themselves? I don't see a lot of rosy skies in the future right now.

that display is going to cost them vast sums in lost sales going forward for a long time

[SeattleGriz]

Unfortunately the Chinese could be learning a whole different lesson. Basically, if you're going to take over a territory that isn't yours and doesn't want to be joined with you, then plan better and make sure you can swiftly take it before any countries can get together to take any action. Heck, despite all the sanctions Russia is facing, they don't appear to be economically destroyed by this. Sure, the poor state of their military is on full display, but they're doing their Russian thing and just plodding forward in spite of their losses. I thought a little differently at the start of the war that this could give China pause, but the longer this thing goes on I think it is less of a deterrent for China and their plans for Taiwan. Heck, considering our own economic misery right now, China could see that as good time to do it - how much more pain to our economy would we be willing to take to stand up for Taiwan, especially if they don't stand up for themselves? I don't see a lot of rosy skies in the future right now.

that display is going to cost them vast sums in lost sales going forward for a long time

I don't see what either of you are talking about. Russia is battling someone who the US has been training and supplied weapons to for the last eight years AND they are methodically dismantling the Ukrainian military.

The Ukrainians aren't goat herders in the middle east.

[kalm]

that display is going to cost them vast sums in lost sales going forward for a long time

I don't see what either of you are talking about. Russia is battling someone who the US has been training and supplied weapons to for the last eight years AND they are methodically dismantling the Ukrainian military.

The Ukrainians aren't goat herders in the middle east.

Methodically is not how I’d describe the process based on RUS’s ever changing stated rhetoric and goals.

Who here has stated UKR is not outgunned and needs help from the west?

I think Putin is a dangerous and murderous authoritarian and I think the west should be helping.

[houndawg]

that display is going to cost them vast sums in lost sales going forward for a long time

I don't see what either of you are talking about. Russia is battling someone who the US has been training and supplied weapons to for the last eight years AND they are methodically dismantling the Ukrainian military.

The Ukrainians aren't goat herders in the middle east.

If I'm looking to buid an Army guess where I'm not buying tanks.

[houndawg]

I don't see what either of you are talking about. Russia is battling someone who the US has been training and supplied weapons to for the last eight years AND they are methodically dismantling the Ukrainian military.

The Ukrainians aren't goat herders in the middle east.

Methodically is not how I’d describe the process based on RUS’s ever changing stated rhetoric and goals.

Who here has stated UKR is not outgunned and needs help from the west?

I think Putin is a dangerous and murderous authoritarian and I think the west should be helping.

I'm surprised that you have to explain that to the crowd of "fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here".....

[SeattleGriz]

I don't see what either of you are talking about. Russia is battling someone who the US has been training and supplied weapons to for the last eight years AND they are methodically dismantling the Ukrainian military.

The Ukrainians aren't goat herders in the middle east.

Methodically is not how I’d describe the process based on RUS’s ever changing stated rhetoric and goals.

Who here has stated UKR is not outgunned and needs help from the west?

I think Putin is a dangerous and murderous authoritarian and I think the west should be helping.

Ganny said the war was showing the poor state of the Russian military and the Houndie agreed. I replied they were fighting someone who has had billions in weaponry and training from the US for at least the last eight years. Ukraine isn't a pushover, but by no means has Russia displayed ineptitude in their special operation.

[kalm]

Methodically is not how I’d describe the process based on RUS’s ever changing stated rhetoric and goals.

Who here has stated UKR is not outgunned and needs help from the west?

I think Putin is a dangerous and murderous authoritarian and I think the west should be helping.

Ganny said the war was showing the poor state of the Russian military and the Houndie agreed. I replied they were fighting someone who has had billions in weaponry and training from the US for at least the last eight years. Ukraine isn't a pushover, but by no means has Russia displayed ineptitude in their special operation.

It’s like you’re following a different war or something…

[kalm]

[houndawg]

Ganny said the war was showing the poor state of the Russian military and the Houndie agreed. I replied they were fighting someone who has had billions in weaponry and training from the US for at least the last eight years. Ukraine isn't a pushover, but by no means has Russia displayed ineptitude in their special operation.

It’s like you’re following a different war or something…

he's going with hope over experience

[Skjellyfetti]

Ganny said the war was showing the poor state of the Russian military and the Houndie agreed. I replied they were fighting someone who has had billions in weaponry and training from the US for at least the last eight years. Ukraine isn't a pushover, but by no means has Russia displayed ineptitude in their special operation.

It’s like you’re following a different war or something…

War?

He even calls it a "special operation" as his handlers have groomed him to say