FYPSeattleGriz wrote:Magat gaslighting. It's falling victim to fringe sources and echo chamber reports that the election was stolen or the Russians are justified.
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FYPSeattleGriz wrote:Magat gaslighting. It's falling victim to fringe sources and echo chamber reports that the election was stolen or the Russians are justified.
I get your point, but the irony here is that it wasn't difficult to find a reasonable source that said the blockage of Russian goods through Lithuania, weren't on the EU banned list and thus should not be blocked, which I posted. A month later, a biased DC media source says the original EU list was a fabrication.
How does Leonid know Putin is losing support?
SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 5:42 amI get your point, but the irony here is that it wasn't difficult to find a reasonable source that said the blockage of Russian goods through Lithuania, weren't on the EU banned list and thus should not be blocked, which I posted. A month later, a biased DC media source says the original EU list was a fabrication.
I have been off of mainstream media since Russia collusion and Covington Catholic. COVID was a real eye opener to just how bad the lying in the media can be because I could finally quantify the level of lying. Independent media has been far more accurate than WaPo, Fox, Washington Examiner, etc.
Cue Reek 2&3 to the defense of poor misunderstood Vladimir...
Pick up a rifle and head over there.
Already did my time.
Peeling potatoes doesn’t count..
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You sound like a neocon - send somebody else's kid to fight the war you want.
NeoCons:
We're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here.
Oh, so it's a domino theory type of thing.
oil too!
A spokesman for the Sheikh Mansur Battalion said the resistance group had divided Chechnya into three sectors and claimed to have begun working with local populations "to uncover the enemy troop movements, type of transport, type of armaments, number of troops and quantity of weapons."
Fox News could not independently verify the claims, but Rebekah Koffler, a Russia expert and former intelligence officer in Russian doctrine and strategy for the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), said it could serve as a strategy to distract Putin’s war effort in Ukraine.
"The possibility of them taking advantage of Putin’s forces being tied up in Ukraine to assert their independence is very plausible," she explained.
Chechnya is like 1/40 the population of Ukraine, and Russia already decimated them once. If there's truly a significant movement in Chechnya then I wish them well, but I don't see there being any real chance for them to break away from Russia and I would only foresee another brutal annihilation like they suffered in the second Chechen war.UNI88 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 12:11 pm Putin faces second war front as Chechens threaten new offensive in Russia
A spokesman for the Sheikh Mansur Battalion said the resistance group had divided Chechnya into three sectors and claimed to have begun working with local populations "to uncover the enemy troop movements, type of transport, type of armaments, number of troops and quantity of weapons."
Fox News could not independently verify the claims, but Rebekah Koffler, a Russia expert and former intelligence officer in Russian doctrine and strategy for the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), said it could serve as a strategy to distract Putin’s war effort in Ukraine.
"The possibility of them taking advantage of Putin’s forces being tied up in Ukraine to assert their independence is very plausible," she explained.
The odds might be against them but their best chance is while Russia is occupied with Ukraine.GannonFan wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 1:02 pmChechnya is like 1/40 the population of Ukraine, and Russia already decimated them once. If there's truly a significant movement in Chechnya then I wish them well, but I don't see there being any real chance for them to break away from Russia and I would only foresee another brutal annihilation like they suffered in the second Chechen war.UNI88 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 12:11 pm Putin faces second war front as Chechens threaten new offensive in Russia
Their best chance is to migrate and leave Chechnya. Sorry, even if they could win independence in the next year while Russia is occupied in Ukraine, Russia will always go back and finish them off. They won independence of a sort in the 90's and then Russia leaned on them for about a decade to bring them to heel. Best option is to get out of Russia.UNI88 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 1:13 pmThe odds might be against them but their best chance is while Russia is occupied with Ukraine.GannonFan wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 1:02 pm
Chechnya is like 1/40 the population of Ukraine, and Russia already decimated them once. If there's truly a significant movement in Chechnya then I wish them well, but I don't see there being any real chance for them to break away from Russia and I would only foresee another brutal annihilation like they suffered in the second Chechen war.
1/30th. About 1.4 million to 41+ million (44 million if include Crimea).GannonFan wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 1:02 pmChechnya is like 1/40 the population of Ukraine, and Russia already decimated them once. If there's truly a significant movement in Chechnya then I wish them well, but I don't see there being any real chance for them to break away from Russia and I would only foresee another brutal annihilation like they suffered in the second Chechen war.UNI88 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 12:11 pm Putin faces second war front as Chechens threaten new offensive in Russia
..peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard..
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..I know how you feel, but go home, and go home in peace.
I don't disagree that Russia is horribly inefficient with manpower when they fight wars (as even what we're seeing in the Ukraine war today). That being said, there is zero chance that Chechnya would be able to fight its way to independence today. Heck, you're assuming that the 1.4 million Chechnyans would all be on the side of independence. Russia has had 20 years to displace and replace the populace there - I'd be willing to bet there's a fair number of pro-Russians in that population now. It's what Russia does. It's like 16th century Britain in that regard, just 400 years later.BDKJMU wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 1:58 pm1/30th. About 1.4 million to 41+ million (44 million if include Crimea).GannonFan wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 1:02 pm
Chechnya is like 1/40 the population of Ukraine, and Russia already decimated them once. If there's truly a significant movement in Chechnya then I wish them well, but I don't see there being any real chance for them to break away from Russia and I would only foresee another brutal annihilation like they suffered in the second Chechen war.
During the 2 Chechen-Russians wars sure, Chechnya got decimated, but the better equipped, far superior in numbers Russians got bogged down when they shouldn't have, and suffered multiple times the casualties the Chechens did.
During the Winter War the Soviets, despite 50X the population than the Finns, the Soviets got bogged down suffered ginormous casualties. Then they had about 3x the population of Germany (and were only fighting 1/2 of Germany to boot for much of the war) and their casualties & equip losses were almost beyond comprehension.
Seems to me the Russians are incapable of beating anyone without 1st getting bogged down and taking large losses. Its almost as if their military doctrine is one step above trading men for bullets.
People are also assuming Russia didn't learn anything in those wars. Russia is employing drone spotting techniques for their artillery strikes among other things. From what I've read, the Chechen Wars were the typical flatten everything with artillery (including dense urban areas) and that has not been the strategy with Ukraine.GannonFan wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:29 amI don't disagree that Russia is horribly inefficient with manpower when they fight wars (as even what we're seeing in the Ukraine war today). That being said, there is zero chance that Chechnya would be able to fight its way to independence today. Heck, you're assuming that the 1.4 million Chechnyans would all be on the side of independence. Russia has had 20 years to displace and replace the populace there - I'd be willing to bet there's a fair number of pro-Russians in that population now. It's what Russia does. It's like 16th century Britain in that regard, just 400 years later.BDKJMU wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 1:58 pm
1/30th. About 1.4 million to 41+ million (44 million if include Crimea).
During the 2 Chechen-Russians wars sure, Chechnya got decimated, but the better equipped, far superior in numbers Russians got bogged down when they shouldn't have, and suffered multiple times the casualties the Chechens did.
During the Winter War the Soviets, despite 50X the population than the Finns, the Soviets got bogged down suffered ginormous casualties. Then they had about 3x the population of Germany (and were only fighting 1/2 of Germany to boot for much of the war) and their casualties & equip losses were almost beyond comprehension.
Seems to me the Russians are incapable of beating anyone without 1st getting bogged down and taking large losses. Its almost as if their military doctrine is one step above trading men for bullets.