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Guess what? The New Deal worked!

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 11:25 am
by hank scorpio
Guess what? The New Deal worked!
By STEVEN CONN
History News Service

Since the economic crisis we're now in is being compared to the Great Depression, the solutions being offered are being routinely compared to the New Deal. Republicans in particular have been quick to pronounce the New Deal a failure as a way of justifying their opposition to the new stimulus package and any other federal response to our new Great Depression.

U.S. Rep. Steve Austria, R-Ohio, is so angry at the New Deal that he told an audience recently that Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal actually caused the Great Depression: quite an achievement given that the Great Depression was already three years deep by the time FDR was elected.

Whatever you think of the Obama administration's proposals, to declare the New Deal a failure gets the history fundamentally wrong. The legacy that FDR created proved remarkably successful and remarkably enduring.


Quick, long-term reforms
The New Deal operated at three levels: first, the programs established by the New Deal worked immediately to bring economic relief; second, the long-term changes the New Deal made to the structure of our economy brought the cycles of the economy under better control; and, finally, the New Deal reshaped the social contract between our citizens and our government.

We usually associate the New Deal with the programs it created to put people to work, such as the Works Progress Administration and the Civilian Conservation Corps. Republicans hated these programs. They denounced the WPA as "We Putter Around."

But the New Deal did provide jobs to hundreds of thousands of unemployed Americans, and while they "puttered" those workers managed to build tens of thousands of bridges, pave countless miles of roads and plant 3 billion trees.

It's certainly true that those programs by themselves did not end the Great Depression, though they did ease the crisis for the families who gained an income because of the New Deal. So while these short-term programs operated, the New Deal created a set of long-term structural changes to the economy whose impact lasted well beyond the Great Depression.

A few examples: Our bank deposits are protected by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., and the integrity of stock market transactions is guaranteed, or is supposed to be, by the Securities and Exchange Commission, both created as part of the New Deal. Most important, with the passage of Social Security in 1935 future generations of American workers could look forward to a more secure old age.

Few would argue that these New Deal initiatives have been anything but successful in the roughly 75 years since their creation. Former President George W. Bush wanted to privatize Social Security and do away with FDIC. Notice that Republicans aren't talking about that any more.

Finally, the New Deal altered the relationship between government and the economy. After World War II, Republicans and Democrats agreed that the government should take a more active role in regulating the economy, that it should use economic policy to promote the greatest good for the greatest number, and that it was obligated to provide a social safety net. They might quibble over the details, but there was a broad consensus around these points.

The result of that consensus was the greatest expansion of the middle class the country has ever experienced. The growth of the economy from the 1940s through the 1960s was widely shared. Conversely, when the economy did go into recession during those decades, the supporting frameworks set up by the New Deal helped keep those downturns relatively short.


Dismantling the Deal
In the early 1980s, under the leadership of Ronald Reagan, conservative Republicans set about dismantling this system. Regulations were gutted or not enforced, the social safety net was largely unraveled, and government tax policy shifted money from the middle class to the wealthiest. During the 30 years in which we've moved away from the New Deal, the middle class has stagnated.

The system the New Deal initiated kept us from experiencing a second Great Depression for nearly half a century. We are in our current mess in large measure because we dismantled that system. Republicans would have us be afraid of a new New Deal. But based on the track record of the original, a new New Deal is just what we need.

Steven Conn is a professor and director of public history at Ohio State University and a writer for the History News Service, e-mail conn.23@osu.edu.

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Re: Guess what? The New Deal worked!

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 11:39 am
by dbackjon
Good article!

Re: Guess what? The New Deal worked!

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 11:59 am
by Benne
More of a comment on the gazette than anything. Those geniuses will print anything to get the jackals barking. The commentary is more fun to read than the article, yet I leave feeling dirty.

Re: Guess what? The New Deal worked!

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:05 pm
by hank scorpio
Benne wrote:More of a comment on the gazette than anything. Those geniuses will print anything to get the jackals barking. The commentary is more fun to read than the article, yet I leave feeling dirty.
The gay marriage and religous ones are a super fun read! :off:

Re: Guess what? The New Deal worked!

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:10 pm
by AZGrizFan
hank scorpio wrote:
A few examples: Our bank deposits are protected by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., and the integrity of stock market transactions is guaranteed, or is supposed to be, by the Securities and Exchange Commission, both created as part of the New Deal. Most important, with the passage of Social Security in 1935 future generations of American workers could look forward to a more secure old age.

Few would argue that these New Deal initiatives have been anything but successful in the roughly 75 years since their creation.
Wow. Probably not the three best examples to be given to make his point. One is useless. One is crooked. And one is bankrupt. :lol: :lol: :lol:

And I'd argue that most of the "New Deal" initiatives (LIKE social security) are exactly WHY we're in this position. The amount of money appropriated for long term, unsustainable programs is appalling.

Re: Guess what? The New Deal worked!

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:17 pm
by Appaholic
AZGrizFan wrote:
hank scorpio wrote:
A few examples: Our bank deposits are protected by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., and the integrity of stock market transactions is guaranteed, or is supposed to be, by the Securities and Exchange Commission, both created as part of the New Deal. Most important, with the passage of Social Security in 1935 future generations of American workers could look forward to a more secure old age.

Few would argue that these New Deal initiatives have been anything but successful in the roughly 75 years since their creation.
Wow. Probably not the three best examples to be given to make his point. One is useless. One is crooked. And one is bankrupt. :lol: :lol: :lol:

And I'd argue that most of the "New Deal" initiatives (LIKE social security) are exactly WHY we're in this position. The amount of money appropriated for long term, unsustainable programs is appalling.
Good to see I wasn't the only one making that connection as well.....but in donk utopian world, all three of those programs are healthy, robust and should be expanded... :roll:

Re: Guess what? The New Deal worked!

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:56 pm
by BigApp
If there's one thing in the HISTORY of this country that I wish could be overturned, it's the New Deal.

Re: Guess what? The New Deal worked!

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:58 pm
by Grizalltheway
BigApp wrote:If there's one thing in the HISTORY of this country that I wish could be overturned, it's the New Deal.
More than slavery? smfh.

Re: Guess what? The New Deal worked!

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:11 pm
by BigApp
WTAG wrote:
BigApp wrote:If there's one thing in the HISTORY of this country that I wish could be overturned, it's the New Deal.
More than slavery? smfh.
it created a different kind of slavery

Re: Guess what? The New Deal worked!

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:31 pm
by clenz
I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't bow down and suck the new deals dick....

Re: Guess what? The New Deal worked!

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:40 pm
by hank scorpio
AZGrizFan wrote:
hank scorpio wrote:
A few examples: Our bank deposits are protected by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., and the integrity of stock market transactions is guaranteed, or is supposed to be, by the Securities and Exchange Commission, both created as part of the New Deal. Most important, with the passage of Social Security in 1935 future generations of American workers could look forward to a more secure old age.

Few would argue that these New Deal initiatives have been anything but successful in the roughly 75 years since their creation.
Wow. Probably not the three best examples to be given to make his point. One is useless. One is crooked. And one is bankrupt. :lol: :lol:
Did you get borred and not finish the article?
We are in our current mess in large measure because we dismantled that system.

Re: Guess what? The New Deal worked!

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:03 pm
by citdog
i don't like the senators last name.....AT ALL

Re: Guess what? The New Deal worked!

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:42 pm
by Gil Dobie
WTAG wrote:
BigApp wrote:If there's one thing in the HISTORY of this country that I wish could be overturned, it's the New Deal.
More than slavery? smfh.
Slavery was overturned.

The New Deal had good intentions, and some of it worked, some didn't work so good. Same with Obama's plan, parts of it will work, and then parts were rewards to supports.