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Tom Ammiano wants to effectively legalize-- and tax -- California's trade in cannabis.

AB 390 "would remove all penalties in California law on cultivation, transportation, sale, purchase, possession, or use of marijuana, natural THC, or paraphernalia for persons over the age of 21," Ammiano's press secretary Quintin Mecke told the San Francisco Weekly.

Ammiano, a rookie state legislator and former San Francisco supervisor, may have a unique opportunity to win support for the bill in the wake of the state's budget debacle.

"California has the opportunity to be the first state in the nation to enact a smart, responsible public policy for the control and regulation of marijuana," he said.

Mecke suggested taxes on the trade could amount to $1 billion according to advocates

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29352523/?gt1=43001

dbackjon wrote:Tom Ammiano wants to effectively legalize-- and tax -- California's trade in cannabis.

AB 390 "would remove all penalties in California law on cultivation, transportation, sale, purchase, possession, or use of marijuana, natural THC, or paraphernalia for persons over the age of 21," Ammiano's press secretary Quintin Mecke told the San Francisco Weekly.

Ammiano, a rookie state legislator and former San Francisco supervisor, may have a unique opportunity to win support for the bill in the wake of the state's budget debacle.

"California has the opportunity to be the first state in the nation to enact a smart, responsible public policy for the control and regulation of marijuana," he said.

Mecke suggested taxes on the trade could amount to $1 billion according to advocates

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29352523/?gt1=43001

Sounds like a great idea.

McGuinn and McGuire's just a-getting higher
In L.A., you know where that's at

And California dreamin' is becoming a reality

-Moma's & Papa's

dbackjon wrote:Tom Ammiano wants to effectively legalize-- and tax -- California's trade in cannabis.

AB 390 "would remove all penalties in California law on cultivation, transportation, sale, purchase, possession, or use of marijuana, natural THC, or paraphernalia for persons over the age of 21," Ammiano's press secretary Quintin Mecke told the San Francisco Weekly.

Ammiano, a rookie state legislator and former San Francisco supervisor, may have a unique opportunity to win support for the bill in the wake of the state's budget debacle.

"California has the opportunity to be the first state in the nation to enact a smart, responsible public policy for the control and regulation of marijuana," he said.

Mecke suggested taxes on the trade could amount to $1 billion according to advocates

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29352523/?gt1=43001

Enter TMan spouting off about the Soros Master Plan to Enslave Us All in 5....4....3....

If they do this, I will move to California.

Move over to your side of the bed Tman, and quit farting! BTW it's your turn to take out the garbage.

Good luck to them. Great idea.

I am not a big fan of telling people what they can or can't do. But, telling me that I have to breath in marijuana smoke, is where things get to be the issue for me. So my question on this would be how public would smoking marijuana be? We should have a lot of freedoms, but where is my choice of clean air. I remember fellow cadets sneaking this into the barracks and smelling it from outside the rooms.

Also, how do they address the national issue of government employees, who have to take drug tests, dealing with the second hand smoke issue.

Biff wrote:I am not a big fan of telling people what they can or can't do. But, telling me that I have to breath in marijuana smoke, is where things get to be the issue for me. So my question on this would be how public would smoking marijuana be? We should have a lot of freedoms, but where is my choice of clean air. I remember fellow cadets sneaking this into the barracks and smelling it from outside the rooms.

Also, how do they address the national issue of government employees, who have to take drug tests, dealing with the second hand smoke issue.

Probably the same way they deal with cigarette smoke....outside, or in your own abode....nobody's going to force you to sit around it....however, I'd much rather inhale someone's second-hand pot smoke (or tobacco smoke) in a restaurant or theater than listen to their whiny little brats throwing a tantrum while the parents attempt to bribe & plead, then threaten to put them in "time-out".......

...I'm sorry, was that out loud?

Appaholic wrote:

Biff wrote:I am not a big fan of telling people what they can or can't do. But, telling me that I have to breath in marijuana smoke, is where things get to be the issue for me. So my question on this would be how public would smoking marijuana be? We should have a lot of freedoms, but where is my choice of clean air. I remember fellow cadets sneaking this into the barracks and smelling it from outside the rooms.

Also, how do they address the national issue of government employees, who have to take drug tests, dealing with the second hand smoke issue.

Probably the same way they deal with cigarette smoke....outside, or in your own abode....nobody's going to force you to sit around it....however, I'd much rather inhale someone's second-hand pot smoke (or tobacco smoke) in a restaurant or theater than listen to their whiny little brats throwing a tantrum while the parents attempt to bribe & plead, then threaten to put them in "time-out".......

...I'm sorry, was that out loud?

I figured as much, but the federal employees will come across problems with this. In California it is illigal to spank your kids I think, so out there you will get the whiny little brat throwing a tantrum and second hand pot smoke.

Biff wrote:I figured as much, but the federal employees will come across problems with this. In California it is illigal to spank your kids I think, so out there you will get the whiny little brat throwing a tantrum and second hand pot smoke.

Just make sure you have enough munchies to keep the kids happy

Gil Dobie wrote:

Biff wrote:I figured as much, but the federal employees will come across problems with this. In California it is illigal to spank your kids I think, so out there you will get the whiny little brat throwing a tantrum and second hand pot smoke.

Just make sure you have enough munchies to keep the kids happy

Exactly....heck, the 2nd hand pot smoke should help pacify the whiny little foks....

Pot would certainly make Californians feel better

OL FU wrote:Pot would certainly make Californians feel better

So would not being so damn liberal...but that shit aint happening anytime soon

clenz wrote:

OL FU wrote:Pot would certainly make Californians feel better

So would not being so damn liberal...but that shit aint happening anytime soon

Yeah, T-Man is a leftist barstard.

Biff wrote:I am not a big fan of telling people what they can or can't do. But, telling me that I have to breath in marijuana smoke, is where things get to be the issue for me. So my question on this would be how public would smoking marijuana be? We should have a lot of freedoms, but where is my choice of clean air. I remember fellow cadets sneaking this into the barracks and smelling it from outside the rooms.

Also, how do they address the national issue of government employees, who have to take drug tests, dealing with the second hand smoke issue.

That's a good question, but my guess is that you'd have to be in an area where there is a very heavy concentration of smoke to show up on a drug test. Kind of like the fear of eating poppy seed bagels and testing for opium. Could it happen? Probably. Is it likely? Probably not.

AshevilleApp wrote:

Biff wrote:I am not a big fan of telling people what they can or can't do. But, telling me that I have to breath in marijuana smoke, is where things get to be the issue for me. So my question on this would be how public would smoking marijuana be? We should have a lot of freedoms, but where is my choice of clean air. I remember fellow cadets sneaking this into the barracks and smelling it from outside the rooms.

Also, how do they address the national issue of government employees, who have to take drug tests, dealing with the second hand smoke issue.

That's a good question, but my guess is that you'd have to be in an area where there is a very heavy concentration of smoke to show up on a drug test. Kind of like the fear of eating poppy seed bagels and testing for opium. Could it happen? Probably. Is it likely? Probably not.

A show on the Food Network (Food Detective) recently looking into the poppy seed & drug test question...

Eating 5 poppy seed bagles and using an old-type test came up with a positive hit...

But the new tests have been adjusted and someone would need to eat a dozen or more bagels RIGHT BEFORE A TEST to pop a positive now...

Drug tests can be adjusted to take into account second-hand "minor" exposure...

It is something I think about, since I still have an active security clearence for my job and am subject to random drug tests...

Col Hogan wrote:
A show on the Food Network (Food Detective) recently looking into the poppy seed & drug test question...

Eating 5 poppy seed bagles and using an old-type test came up with a positive hit...

But the new tests have been adjusted and someone would need to eat a dozen or more bagels RIGHT BEFORE A TEST to pop a positive now...

Drug tests can be adjusted to take into account second-hand "minor" exposure...

It is something I think about, since I still have an active security clearence for my job and am subject to random drug tests...

How many poppy seed muffins would that translate into.

Gil Dobie wrote:

Col Hogan wrote:
A show on the Food Network (Food Detective) recently looking into the poppy seed & drug test question...

Eating 5 poppy seed bagles and using an old-type test came up with a positive hit...

But the new tests have been adjusted and someone would need to eat a dozen or more bagels RIGHT BEFORE A TEST to pop a positive now...

Drug tests can be adjusted to take into account second-hand "minor" exposure...

It is something I think about, since I still have an active security clearence for my job and am subject to random drug tests...

How many poppy seed muffins would that translate into.

Gil, if you eat that many poppy seed muffins at one sitting, you'll probably test positive for something other than opium.

AshevilleApp wrote:

Gil Dobie wrote:
How many poppy seed muffins would that translate into.

Gil, if you eat that many poppy seed muffins at one sitting, you'll probably test positive for something other than opium.

I'm probably thinking about this too hard, but what?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 022009.DTL

AshevilleApp wrote:

Gil Dobie wrote:
How many poppy seed muffins would that translate into.

Gil, if you eat that many poppy seed muffins at one sitting, you'll probably test positive for something other than opium.

D1B wrote:If they do this, I will move to California.

Move over to your side of the bed Tman, and quit farting! BTW it's your turn to take out the garbage.

Good luck to them. Great idea.

Piss on you.

And I ain't gonna stop eating crackers in bed, neither.

Col Hogan wrote:...It is something I think about, since I still have an active security clearence for my job and am subject to random drug tests...

Like, you'll be testing positive any day now...

Bigger fear is that threat to national security allowing a crazy-arse Irishman "behind the wheel"...so to speak...

...Not saying the Irish have a tendency of getting a little passionate 'bout their homeland, but...

I don't have much of a problem with this. The best thing that could come from it (and it should be legal now) is industrial hemp. It can't be smoked, and it can be made into anything. Including paper. Enviros in Congress, if they really care about the planet, would push for industrial hemp legalization.

ASUMountaineer wrote:I don't have much of a problem with this. The best thing that could come from it (and it should be legal now) is industrial hemp. It can't be smoked, and it can be made into anything. Including paper. Enviros in Congress, if they really care about the planet, would push for industrial hemp legalization.

Another issue we agree on.

Hemp has many uses/advantages - easy to grow, needs very little chemicals or fertilizers (both with uses a ton of oil), makes better paper than wood, which would save the boreal forests, renewable, leftovers can be used to make biofuels.

So who would oppose it?

Let's see:

Chemical Cartels
Petroleum Cartels
Prison-Industrial Complex

dbackjon wrote:

ASUMountaineer wrote:I don't have much of a problem with this. The best thing that could come from it (and it should be legal now) is industrial hemp. It can't be smoked, and it can be made into anything. Including paper. Enviros in Congress, if they really care about the planet, would push for industrial hemp legalization.

Another issue we agree on.

Hemp has many uses/advantages - easy to grow, needs very little chemicals or fertilizers (both with uses a ton of oil), makes better paper than wood, which would save the boreal forests, renewable, leftovers can be used to make biofuels.

So who would oppose it?

Let's see:

Chemical Cartels
Petroleum Cartels
Prison-Industrial Complex

Yup, it's simply a ridiculous premise. Why in the world can reason and logic not reign supreme in government?

I don't get it. You're a gay dude out west, I'm a straight dude out east. You pride yourself on being a liberal, I pride myself on being a conservative (libertarian). Yet, we can find common ground to do what's right for the country AND the planet. Guess that's easy when we're not running for office.

ASUMountaineer wrote:

dbackjon wrote:

Another issue we agree on.

Hemp has many uses/advantages - easy to grow, needs very little chemicals or fertilizers (both with uses a ton of oil), makes better paper than wood, which would save the boreal forests, renewable, leftovers can be used to make biofuels.

So who would oppose it?

Let's see:

Chemical Cartels
Petroleum Cartels
Prison-Industrial Complex

Yup, it's simply a ridiculous premise. Why in the world can reason and logic not reign supreme in government?

I don't get it. You're a gay dude out west, I'm a straight dude out east. You pride yourself on being a liberal, I pride myself on being a conservative (libertarian). Yet, we can find common ground to do what's right for the country AND the planet. Guess that's easy when we're not running for office.

(ASUMountaineer comes out of the closet in 5...4....3...2....)