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Understaffed Geithner can't keep up, critics say
By DANIEL WAGNER
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Thursday, March 5, 2009; 10:27 AM
WASHINGTON -- For five weeks, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has battled the worst economic crisis in generations with no key deputies in place...

...Critics say part of the problem is that Geithner is flying solo: Not one of his top 17 deputies has been named, let alone confirmed. And without senior leadership, lower-level Treasury employees can't make decisions or represent the government in crucial conversations with banks and others.

As Geithner strives to address the financial crisis, advance Obama's agenda and work with foreign leaders to stave off economic disaster, he's assembled a 50-person "shadow cabinet" of would-be appointees. Those people have received hall passes and can advise Geithner, but they lack any authority...

...At a Senate hearing Thursday about failed insurance giant American International Group Inc. _ which has received four separate bailouts totaling more than $170 billion _ Sen. Chris Dodd said he had asked Treasury for someone to appear, but that no one was available.

"I am not pleased that we don't have someone here from Treasury to explain what their role in this is," Dodd said.

Treasury officials contend that Geithner is receiving plenty of good advice, much of it from the 50 advisers already working there. But until Treasury gets some Senate-confirmed leaders, these people can't sign documents or make policy decisions. They can't even sit in their future offices...

...Among the harshest critics of Treasury's leadership vacuum is Paul Volcker, an Obama economic adviser and former Federal Reserve chairman who last week called the situation "shameful."

"The secretary of the treasury is sitting there without a deputy, without any undersecretaries, without any, as far as I know, assistant secretaries responsible in substantive areas at a time of very severe crisis," Volcker said. "He shouldn't be sitting there alone."...

...Treasury officials say the administration is taking extra care to vet possible appointees after embarrassing revelations about tax problems for Geithner, former Health and Human Services Secretary-designate Tom Daschle and others.

One likely nominee to a top Treasury post has not heard from the department for weeks, the person said, speaking anonymously because there has been no official offer. The person submitted voluminous information about taxes, domestic help and the like more than a month ago.

Former Treasury employees said that even the best lower-level staffers and top advisers can't do the work required of Treasury's top ranks. They can't explain Treasury's policies to a nervous public or give a fair hearing to stakeholders in the crucial decisions the department must make.

Fratto said Wall Street bankers complained to him recently that meeting with lower-level Treasury staff, rather than with senior appointees, wouldn't address their issues.

"They know that only the political appointees are the decision-makers," he said. "You can share information and work with people at the deputy assistant level, but the bosses just aren't there."...

...Treasury officials say they are very close to announcing their first slate of appointees, which will include some top-level officials outside the 50-person team now advising Geithner.
...but one of them WON'T be Annette Nazareth...who announced she's withdrawn from

Treasury secretary's choice for deputy withdraws
Treasury Secretary Geithner's choice for deputy withdraws; department still lacks senior staff

Daniel Wagner, AP Business Writer
Thursday March 5, 2009, 11:52 pm EST
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The person Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner wanted as his chief deputy has withdrawn from consideration, dealing a setback to the understaffed agency as it struggles to address the worst financial crisis in decades.

Annette Nazareth, a former senior staffer and commissioner with the Securities and Exchange Commission, made "a personal decision" to withdraw from the process, according to a person familiar with her decision.

The decision followed more than a month of intense scrutiny of her taxes and multiple interviews. No tax problems or other issues arose during Nazareth's vetting, said the person, who requested anonymity because Geithner's choice of Nazareth was never announced officially...

...Geithner's lack of a senior staff has raised concerns on Wall Street.

"This doesn't help confidence," said David Wyss, chief economist at Standard & Poor's in New York. "Geithner is stuck there all by himself trying to do everything. They don't have anybody confirmed, and Treasury is a big shop to try to run with one person, especially right now."

Wyss, who previously worked at the Federal Reserve, said the administration needed to have made a much bigger push before taking office to get people cleared to take over the top jobs at Treasury so that Geithner could assemble his team quickly.

David Jones, head of Denver-based economic consulting firm DMJ Advisors, said that Geithner's missteps in putting together a financial rescue program and his inability to assemble a team at Treasury were raising concerns about whether the new administration's economic team is up to the challenges confronting them.

"There is no question that Wall Street is losing patience," said Jones, who for more than three decades served as a top economist at a major bond trading firm. "If there was ever a time when we need an effective and strong Treasury secretary, it is now."

Jones said that investors had initially viewed the economic team that Obama was assembling favorably because it included experienced hands such as Summers and Volcker.

"There were high expectations for this team, but at this time of crisis, it doesn't seem to be functioning effectively," Jones said.



...maybe when Congress finishes partying with Brad Pitt who's in town to get a hummer from Pelosi, he can stop over at Treasury and give Geithner some management advice.



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this whole admin should be renamed "the not ready for primetime players"
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citdog wrote:this whole admin should be renamed "the not ready for primetime players"
What, and have the Bush Admin sue for copyright infringement?
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dbackjon wrote:
citdog wrote:this whole admin should be renamed "the not ready for primetime players"
What, and have the Bush Admin sue for copyright infringement?
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AZGrizFan wrote:
dbackjon wrote:
What, and have the Bush Admin sue for copyright infringement?
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

We get it. You don't like him. Move on....it's YOUR guy screwing the pooch now. :roll:
Give him a chance...
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dbackjon wrote:
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We get it. You don't like him. Move on....it's YOUR guy screwing the pooch now. :roll:
Give him a chance...to see how low we can go.
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T-man - honestly, how much different would the dow be if McCain had won?
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dbackjon wrote:T-man - honestly, how much different would the dow be if McCain had won?
We'll never know...

But what we do know is this...what the Obama Administration has done, and said, hasn't impressed any financial institution/organization or stock holder/board of directors or.....

And so the free fall continues...every time Obama has thrown out a parachute to slow down the freefall, it's turned into a lead weight...
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Col Hogan wrote:
dbackjon wrote:T-man - honestly, how much different would the dow be if McCain had won?
We'll never know...

But what we do know is this...what the Obama Administration has done, and said, hasn't impressed any financial institution/organization or stock holder/board of directors or.....

And so the free fall continues...every time Obama has thrown out a parachute to slow down the freefall, it's turned into a lead weight...
My exact point.

I guarantee McCain wouldn't be throwing trillions to "spend our way" out of a recession. In fact, last night he was interviewed about this, and he looked genuinely sick, upset, angry to the point of being speechless, when discussing what Congress is doing.

Jon, how much economic collapse has to take place before the Dem's figure out that a "TAX AND SPEND'' solution doesn't work? Already the long term impact of this collapse will have have decades long ramifications. And this isn't about "Bush" or "Global Warming" or another excusive diversion. Obama's had the reins, for 5-6 weeks and if anything, the market decline rate has increased. This is as much about the Wall Street bankers confidence in his ability/plan as it is in hard statistics, and as the Geithner articles underlined...right now, Wall Street has VERY LITTLE confidence that Obama or the Treasury can fix things.

It's about fixing the GDP, and in suit, the trade imbalance will resolve itself. This will entail abandonment of special interest driven labor and trade policies. Fix that, THEN talk about using tax revenues to help the needy. Until then...hang onto your money.
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Col Hogan wrote:But what we do know is this...what the Obama Administration has done, and said, hasn't impressed any financial institution/organization or stock holder/board of directors or....
Are these the same financial institutions standing in line with their hand out for taxpayer monies to finance, nay, BAILOUT, their poor decisions from rampant speculation so they can continue to pay out exorbitant bonuses?
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dbackjon wrote:T-man - honestly, how much different would the dow be if McCain had won?
would of only had a tax cut equaling about 450 billion and not this fake stimuli packages. Would we be better off? IDK, but we wouldn't have a dying dow, a ridiculous debt problem, and constant vetting problems :?
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dbackjon wrote:T-man - honestly, how much different would the dow be if McCain had won?
would of only had a tax cut equaling about 450 billion and not this fake stimuli packages. Would we be better off? IDK, but we wouldn't have a dying dow, a ridiculous debt problem, and constant vetting problems :?
How do you know that? How do you know that a tax cut would stimulate the dow? Wouldn't the debt problem (which was really exaserbated by the last tax cut) be worse?
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dbackjon wrote:
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would of only had a tax cut equaling about 450 billion and not this fake stimuli packages. Would we be better off? IDK, but we wouldn't have a dying dow, a ridiculous debt problem, and constant vetting problems :?
How do you know that? How do you know that a tax cut would stimulate the dow? Wouldn't the debt problem (which was really exaserbated by the last tax cut) be worse?
Well I am opposed to Keynesian economics and believe an Austrian School would much better help out our debt problems. I posted a lot about it on the other site, but basically Keynesian is a form of economics where we intervene too much and it has proven to cause problems and Austrian School which preaches little intervention and policies along the line of personal stimuli rather than large ones, ie tax cuts. The interesting part is that for the most part the US uses ASE and then when we have recessions and depressions we dabble in Keynesian economics and exacerbate the problem. Whereas most of Western Europe uses ASE to get out of depressions/recessions and over time has shown that it has helped those economies recovery at a much quicker pace than that of the US.
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It seems to be that the lack of intervention/regulation is what got us into this mess in the first place.
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dbackjon wrote:It seems to be that the lack of intervention/regulation is what got us into this mess in the first place.
I don't know dback, maybe the government trying to intervene to get more people into houses than could afford it has something to do with it as well. Maybe the lack of government interference would have helped in this regard. I am for less government interference in our lives though and I feel the same way with all things which is why I like this board. I'd rather not have someone making decisions for me when I can figure it out on my own. Not necessarily a great comparison but more of a consistent thought process for me.
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dbackjon wrote:It seems to be that the lack of intervention/regulation is what got us into this mess in the first place.
Government interference through extreme military spending, large social programs, the housing crises; whether it is the banks or just getting people into the homes. The first failed stimulus and how poorly the TARP funds have been used. Extending the depression because of the New Deal. Government has never done a good job at anything.

I think the best example I heard was from Stephen Wynn. He said I have been watching for 6 years the US government try to make a water treatment plant in NYC and I have seen Donald Trump build 7 different high rises in that time. The government knows nothing about efficiency and proficiency. (paraphrased of course)
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Of course, Trump is bankrupt again, for what, the third time.

Donald Trump is very good at using other peoples money to make himself look good, then bailing when the going gets rough. Not the best example :)
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the example is getting things done in a timely manner and do not drag. Also, he filed C11 for his casino project. And you would also have to imagine that since it is a 2009 filing it has a lot to do with the economy and not him. I mean it is his 3 Atlantic City casinos, not really a bustling economy for a long time now...
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dbackjon wrote:It seems to be that the lack of intervention/regulation is what got us into this mess in the first place.
Government is ineffective at regulating the markets through direct intervention. Govt. serves the market best by establishing competitive trade policies, and allowing the labor market to self regulate absent union protectionism laws. I'm aghast that the unions have been so short sighted, and rather than lobbying Congress to construct better labor law, the corporate interests have followed suit by practicing short sighted outsourcing into cheaper foreign labor markets. One need not have an economics degree to know if the capital is removed from the largest consumer market, i.e. the U.S., their sales/revenue quotient will eventually deteriorate.

Furthmore, absent labor mismanagement, government burdens U.S. based producers with over-the-top regulatory/compliance requirements (hint...environmental protection laws, and intrusive EEO hiring practices)...that NO OTHER COUNTRY imposes on it's businesses.

If Congress was forced to work under a similar paradigm as environmentalism places upon businesses, i.e. forced mitigation of detrimental impact, we would not be in this position. For example, every bill as a rule is evaluated by CBO to evaluate it's impact financial burden on govt. and industry. If Congress wants to pass some form of "tax", "fee" or regulatory burden (special waste disposal/pollution or hiring monitoring), then Congress must also include a "mitigating" relief measure to offset the costs to industry, such as a special tax offset to compensate for the additional cost of production. Instead, the burdens are placed on industry, and keep getting piled on until it's no longer profitable to continue operating in the U.S.

This is all common sense, Jon. And it's really remarkable that any "student" of the U.S. economy who studies GDP would instantly notice the decline began BEFORE THE FIRST OIL EMBARGO. The only mechanism to change in the two years prior to the embargo when the decline began...is the establishment of the EPA and passage of the Clean Air Act.

Again, I'm not suggesting Congress rescind the CAA, but the draconian, gold-digging practices employed by the EPA and other regional environmental agencies is one of (if not the most) contributory factors in the destruction of U.S. productivity.
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dbackjon wrote:It seems to be that the lack of intervention/regulation is what got us into this mess in the first place.
Barney Frank, Bill Clinton, and George W. Bush (your most hated of all) were all in bed together with the mortgage crisis (no homo--well, except for BF :lol:). Anyways, CRA and the government forcing banks to lend to people who couldn't pay helped usher in this problem and helped magnify it. The government had regulation in place of Wall St. through the SEC, but did not use said regulation.

It wasn't a lack of regulation Dback, it was a combination of incompetence, government interference, and people in power who didn't know what they were doing (or figured their time would be up soon enough and it would be someone else's problem)...oh, and they liked the power. However, the solution of Dems (and most "Reps") is to give the same people who screwed us more power (and money)--and by the "people who screwed us" I mean Congress and Wall St.

It's baffling to me, honestly, how you think this whole crisis came solely from the banks and not the government interfering in one of the most regulated industries we have. Either you're naive, or wishful thinking--if you can't see the government bears as much, if not more, responsibility than the private sector.
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dbackjon wrote:Of course, Trump is bankrupt again, for what, the third time.

Donald Trump is very good at using other peoples money to make himself look good, then bailing when the going gets rough. Not the best example :)
Trump would be perfect in Washington given his personal examples. :lol: :twisted:
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Tell you what... this is my one gripe with Obama. His play to the base crusade against lobbyists is coming home to roost. I'm still a big fan for the most part... but this was one of the things that drove me batty.

people who don't know what they're talking about bitch about lobbyists... but in honesty... they understand this stuff... and for the 8 years the dems were out of the white house... most of the people who were at treasury went in to lobbying to make some money in the intervening years... and now are frozen out of serving their country again because of an arbitrary rule created to pander to a segment of my parties base that cannot get it through their heads that the lobbyists didn't write the crappy legislation from 2001-2006...
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travelinman67 wrote:
dbackjon wrote:It seems to be that the lack of intervention/regulation is what got us into this mess in the first place.
Government is ineffective at regulating the markets through direct intervention. Govt. serves the market best by establishing competitive trade policies, and allowing the labor market to self regulate absent union protectionism laws. I'm aghast that the unions have been so short sighted, and rather than lobbying Congress to construct better labor law, the corporate interests have followed suit by practicing short sighted outsourcing into cheaper foreign labor markets. One need not have an economics degree to know if the capital is removed from the largest consumer market, i.e. the U.S., their sales/revenue quotient will eventually deteriorate.

Furthmore, absent labor mismanagement, government burdens U.S. based producers with over-the-top regulatory/compliance requirements (hint...environmental protection laws, and intrusive EEO hiring practices)...that NO OTHER COUNTRY imposes on it's businesses.

If Congress was forced to work under a similar paradigm as environmentalism places upon businesses, i.e. forced mitigation of detrimental impact, we would not be in this position. For example, every bill as a rule is evaluated by CBO to evaluate it's impact financial burden on govt. and industry. If Congress wants to pass some form of "tax", "fee" or regulatory burden (special waste disposal/pollution or hiring monitoring), then Congress must also include a "mitigating" relief measure to offset the costs to industry, such as a special tax offset to compensate for the additional cost of production. Instead, the burdens are placed on industry, and keep getting piled on until it's no longer profitable to continue operating in the U.S.

This is all common sense, Jon. And it's really remarkable that any "student" of the U.S. economy who studies GDP would instantly notice the decline began BEFORE THE FIRST OIL EMBARGO. The only mechanism to change in the two years prior to the embargo when the decline began...is the establishment of the EPA and passage of the Clean Air Act.

Again, I'm not suggesting Congress rescind the CAA, but the draconian, gold-digging practices employed by the EPA and other regional environmental agencies is one of (if not the most) contributory factors in the destruction of U.S. productivity.

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catamount man wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:02 am
dbackjon wrote:Of course, Trump is bankrupt again, for what, the third time.

Donald Trump is very good at using other peoples money to make himself look good, then bailing when the going gets rough. Not the best example :)
Trump would be perfect in Washington given his personal examples. :lol: :twisted:
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catamount man wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:02 am
dbackjon wrote:Of course, Trump is bankrupt again, for what, the third time.

Donald Trump is very good at using other peoples money to make himself look good, then bailing when the going gets rough. Not the best example :)
Trump would be perfect in Washington given his personal examples. :lol: :twisted:
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