IIRC everyone wanted us out of Iraq about the time Obama took over.ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Obama pulling troops out is creating more of a power vacuum than anything Bush did. Nice try but only the left will buy the shit you are selling.Grizalltheway wrote:
Yep, just like ISIS isn't Bush and co's problem, even though they so foolishly created the power vaccuum that's allowed them to flourish in Iraq.
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Or as TMan said, maybe Rodman should be negotiatingGannonFan wrote:Iran gets nukes, Russia gets the Ukraine, ISIS gets Syria and lots of Iraqi desert. Why North Korea isn't taking advantage of this opportunity to get what they want is beyond me. Maybe they were too focused on that movie and lost perspective?
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If they want nukes, we should give them nukes.
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Cluck U wrote:If they want nukes, we should give them nukes.
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I wanted us out the day their dipshit "president" (or whatever the fuck they call him) said he didn't want US troops there.kalm wrote:IIRC everyone wanted us out of Iraq about the time Obama took over.ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:
Obama pulling troops out is creating more of a power vacuum than anything Bush did. Nice try but only the left will buy the shit you are selling.
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Since our friend alphie don't read too good, or can't click a link, I'll post this for a third time.kalm wrote:IIRC everyone wanted us out of Iraq about the time Obama took over.ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:
Obama pulling troops out is creating more of a power vacuum than anything Bush did. Nice try but only the left will buy the shit you are selling.
The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq) was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011
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There you go again interjecting facts...kalm wrote:IIRC everyone wanted us out of Iraq about the time Obama took over.ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:
Obama pulling troops out is creating more of a power vacuum than anything Bush did. Nice try but only the left will buy the **** you are selling.
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The repeated blows to the head have scrambled Alfie until he sounds like John McCain...Grizalltheway wrote:Since our friend alphie don't read too good, or can't click a link, I'll post this for a third time.kalm wrote:
IIRC everyone wanted us out of Iraq about the time Obama took over.
The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq) was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011
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As soon as we say its OK.SDHornet wrote:So how long until the Israelis make a bombing run?
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You're missing the point, unravelinman - If the sanctions don't work against China they don't work at all.travelinman67 wrote:China developed their nuclear program with Russia's assistance in the late 50's in the height of the Cold War. Sanctions were never on the table.houndawg wrote:
Sanctions working against China....
Right, tubesteak67, we'll get tough with our banker; show them who the boss is...
...totally dissociated from reality...
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You'd think they'd give us a little time to recover after such a narrow escape from the Ebola epidemic.Chizzang wrote:All I know is that for the next 72 hour news cycle this will be "News"
because in TEN YEARS Iran will have Nukes... OMG!!! Run
its like being in kindergarten around here
I've got news for you
In ten years we could all be dead
In ten years we could be at war with China
In ten years Russia could have already invaded Iran Pakistan and Poland
Ten years... In ten years Somalia could have Nukes
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Man, you're dense.houndawg wrote:You're missing the point, unravelinman - If the sanctions don't work against China they don't work at all.travelinman67 wrote:
China developed their nuclear program with Russia's assistance in the late 50's in the height of the Cold War. Sanctions were never on the table.
Densedawg, try:
1. Read S-L-O-W-L-Y.
2. Wait a few minutes, then reread.
3. Ask relevant questions about your draft response, then wait a few minutes and reread your response BEFORE posting.
Sanctions WERE NEVER CONSIDERED by Eisenhower as China's program was non-developmental: Russia gave China turn-key equipment and materials. From Mao's initial statement of intent to transfer of technology was a period of four years.
To clarify my point, sanctions WERE LATER USED AGAINST CHINA to resolve trade and economic disagreements, and the results were highly favorable.
Sanctions can work.
Iran can be prevented from developing a weaponization program, IF the other nuclear nations work in concert.
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I'm pretty sure Netanyahu doesn't give one flying vertical fuck what the U.S. thinks right now...houndawg wrote:As soon as we say its OK.SDHornet wrote:So how long until the Israelis make a bombing run?
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houndawg wrote:There you go again interjecting facts...kalm wrote:
IIRC everyone wanted us out of Iraq about the time Obama took over.
But the FACT that sanctions worked against NoKo until WE decided to not enforce them doesn't resonate with you?
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Not right now. But during Dubya's administration, Israel repeatedly asked to fire and was told no. In all honesty, Israel should be attacking with extreme prejudice.AZGrizFan wrote:I'm pretty sure Netanyahu doesn't give one flying vertical fuck what the U.S. thinks right now...houndawg wrote:
As soon as we say its OK.
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Attack in what sense? You really think they're capable of taking on Iran mano y mano without Uncle Sam backing them up?Ibanez wrote:Not right now. But during Dubya's administration, Israel repeatedly asked to fire and was told no. In all honesty, Israel should be attacking with extreme prejudice.AZGrizFan wrote:
I'm pretty sure Netanyahu doesn't give one flying vertical fuck what the U.S. thinks right now...
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Airstrikes, rockets, etc... They'll need help but let them defend themselves how they see fit.Grizalltheway wrote:Attack in what sense? You really think they're capable of taking on Iran mano y mano without Uncle Sam backing them up?Ibanez wrote: Not right now. But during Dubya's administration, Israel repeatedly asked to fire and was told no. In all honesty, Israel should be attacking with extreme prejudice.
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Well, they've made numerous airstrikes on Iranian nuclear facilities in the past, and there was the Stuxnet worm that took out an enrichment facility a few years ago.Ibanez wrote:Airstrikes, rockets, etc... They'll need help but let them defend themselves how they see fit.Grizalltheway wrote:
Attack in what sense? You really think they're capable of taking on Iran mano y mano without Uncle Sam backing them up?
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Not against China today, 60 years later. And Pakistan and North Korea, at least, will be happy to do bidniz with Iran, and most likely already have. You're a couple of decades behind, old son...travelinman67 wrote:Man, you're dense.houndawg wrote:
You're missing the point, unravelinman - If the sanctions don't work against China they don't work at all.
Sanctions WERE NEVER CONSIDERED by Eisenhower as China's program was non-developmental: Russia gave China turn-key equipment and materials. From Mao's initial statement of intent to transfer of technology was a period of four years.
To clarify my point, sanctions WERE LATER USED AGAINST CHINA to resolve trade and economic disagreements, and the results were highly favorable.
Sanctions can work.
Iran can be prevented from developing a weaponization program, IF the other nuclear nations work in concert.
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They'll put up a good fight, but without us they are ancient history, and so what? Don't see why we need any part of this ancient conflict between tribes of goat herders. We have all the oil we need right here. Let China use their new Navy to keep that other oil safe for the rest of them. Right off the bat we save a quarter trillion in defense costs and our oil consumption drops with only half the current military to fuel.Ibanez wrote:Airstrikes, rockets, etc... They'll need help but let them defend themselves how they see fit.Grizalltheway wrote:
Attack in what sense? You really think they're capable of taking on Iran mano y mano without Uncle Sam backing them up?
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You recall correctly. I also recall Conks screaming that the USA shouldn't be the world police and we should let other countries carry their fair share. Funny how things work out.kalm wrote:IIRC everyone wanted us out of Iraq about the time Obama took over.ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:
Obama pulling troops out is creating more of a power vacuum than anything Bush did. Nice try but only the left will buy the shit you are selling.
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For the most part yes...until we actually try to drill our own oil then the donks talk a different game.houndawg wrote:They'll put up a good fight, but without us they are ancient history, and so what? Don't see why we need any part of this ancient conflict between tribes of goat herders. We have all the oil we need right here. Let China use their new Navy to keep that other oil safe for the rest of them. Right off the bat we save a quarter trillion in defense costs and our oil consumption drops with only half the current military to fuel.Ibanez wrote: Airstrikes, rockets, etc... They'll need help but let them defend themselves how they see fit.
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translation: sanctions didn't work against NoKo.AZGrizFan wrote:houndawg wrote:
There you go again interjecting facts...
But the FACT that sanctions worked against NoKo until WE decided to not enforce them doesn't resonate with you?
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Who is the world's largest producer of oil?SDHornet wrote:For the most part yes...until we actually try to drill our own oil then the donks talk a different game.houndawg wrote:
They'll put up a good fight, but without us they are ancient history, and so what? Don't see why we need any part of this ancient conflict between tribes of goat herders. We have all the oil we need right here. Let China use their new Navy to keep that other oil safe for the rest of them. Right off the bat we save a quarter trillion in defense costs and our oil consumption drops with only half the current military to fuel.
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B-but ANWR!!houndawg wrote:Who is the world's largest producer of oil?SDHornet wrote:
For the most part yes...until we actually try to drill our own oil then the donks talk a different game.