Gun Control Zealots Killing Law Abiding Jersey Residents

[travelinman67]

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... -c-w-cooke

The Deadly Consequences of Draconian Gun Laws

by CHARLES C. W. COOKE
June 5, 2015 3:03 PM

Carol Bowne is dead — murdered in cold blood on her own property by a violent criminal who would not be restrained by good intentions. But there is no smoking gun, because she lived and died in New Jersey. Bowne was a 39-year-old hairdresser from Berlin Township who had become increasingly nervous about her ex-boyfriend. Convinced that he intended to do her physical harm, she took out a restraining order, had security cameras installed at her home, and purchased an alarm system. She also hoped to buy a firearm for her defense. On April 21 of this year, she began the glacial process of obtaining a New Jersey permit to purchase a gun. She never heard back. She never will. Per the Courier-Post, Bowne “was stabbed to death in the driveway of her Patton Avenue home on Wednesday night.”

Defending his tardiness, the local police chief explained that the application process usually takes more than two months, and that when Bowne died, his team was still waiting for her fingerprints to be processed. Perhaps so. But this should serve as no acceptable excuse. By state law, New Jersey is required to get back to permit petitioners within 30 days. It didn’t. It almost never does. Instead, would-be gun owners report waiting for three, four, six, and even nine months for permission to exercise what the Second Amendment makes clear is an unalienable individual right. The rules do not apply to the government.
For the citizenry, by contrast, minor infractions are routinely transmuted into life-destroying sentences. Had there been no public outcries, New Jersey would at present be hosting in its prisons a black single mother of two who misunderstood the concealed-carry rules in Atlantic County; a septuagenarian retiree who bought a non-functional, 260-year-old pistol from an antiques dealer and was arrested for carrying without a license; and a security guard and aspiring police officer who inadvertently left his firearm in his glove box while driving with his girlfriend. For those who wish to enjoy their right to keep and bear arms, the Garden State represents a significant blot on the American escutcheon.

All Carol Bowne asked was that she be permitted to exercise her right to protect herself in her own home; instead, she ended up bleeding to death in her driveway. That diminutive women such as Carol Bowne are regarded as collateral damage should not be surprising at all. That the free people of New Jersey tolerate their lot with such alacrity, however, should be. Since the passage of the Brady Bill in 1993, federal law has required that any purchaser involved in a commercial firearms transaction must subject himself to a background check. Contrary to the cynical insinuations of President Obama and his friends at Everytown for Gun Safety, there is in fact no jurisdiction in the United States in which a buyer can obtain a gun from a licensed dealer without being screened. Indeed, in the vast majority of states, obtaining a firearm is both a safe and a straightforward process: One goes into a store, one presents one or more forms of government-issued ID, one submits to an instant background check, and one walks out with a gun. The buyer gets what he wants; the government gets its peace of mind. The whole process takes no more than half an hour.

Alas, in order to discourage the citizenry from buying firearms, eleven states have added another — wholly redundant — layer to the sequence, demanding by law that would-be purchasers acquire a permit prior to entering the store. In those jurisdictions it is necessary for buyers to pay a fee and to submit a host of personal information before they receive the government’s seal of approval. Alarmingly, that seal can take up to eight months to be delivered. Thus do many at-risk Americans find themselves in a tricky position: They need a gun to defend themselves or their homes right now, and yet the only way they can legally purchase one is to submit to a long-term and wholly unpredictable bureaucratic process. If you’re in a hurry — as Carol Bowne was — this is a substantial problem. Arguably, abiding by the rules cost Bowne her life.

There can be few clearer illustrations of the folly of draconian firearms regulations than this. The killer was a convicted felon who had previously been found guilty of weapons offenses and aggravated assault, and who is now on the run from federal authorities. The victim was a “bubbly, well-liked,” law-abiding woman who did not want to run afoul of the government even when she sensed that her life was in danger. If “government” is just another word for the things we do together, then, frankly, we failed — and damnably. All Carol Bowne asked was that she be permitted to exercise her right to protect herself in her own home; instead, she ended up bleeding to death in her driveway, as the paper-pushers and know-it-alls decided whether they would deign to indulge her request, and her killer sped away, without fear of retaliation or injury.

[93henfan]

Ain't blue states great? Here's the process for Delaware. Executive summary: $400, Gun Safety Course, Publish your name and address in newspaper for 10 days, Get five references who are not relatives, Get fingerprinted, Get photos, File application, Wait, and wait. And still possibly get arbitrarily rejected with no explanation required from the prothonotary:

In order for you to apply for your Delaware CCW Permit the following steps must be followed and completed failure to complete one or more of these steps will cause the Prothonotary’s office to reject your application. The initial cost is around $400 this cost may be a little less depending the route you take with the Gun Safety Class and the news paper that you choose to use. Initial permits are good for a period of three years. Many of the Members of this Web Site have already obtained their Delaware CCW Permit and can help you through the process.

Application:
You must complete your application and have it notarized. You must file all paperwork, as well as a duplicate copy of all paperwork with the Prothonotary's Office. Remember to answer all questions truthfully and to the best of your ability any omission of information or failing to answer a question truthfully can be grounds for denying your application. The statutory filing fee is $65.00.
Cash, money order or personal check, made payable to the "PROTHONOTARY" will be accepted.
(Credit cards are accepted in Kent County ONLY)

Residency requirement:
You must be a resident of the state of Delaware. If you are a Delaware resident, an out of state permit with Delaware reciprocity is not valid for you in the state of Delaware. Delaware residents must have a Delaware CCW Permit to legally carry concealed.

Out of State Resident:
If you are from out of the State of Delaware you have the option of obtaining a Florida or Utah permit, these states are both shall issue states and are less expensive.

Publication of your intent:
You must publish your full name, your home address and indicate your intent to make application for a Delaware CCW Permit in a newspaper, published in your county that has a circulation of at least 35% percent of the population in your ZIP code. This must run at least (10) days before filling of your application with the Court. Make sure that you obtain an affidavit from the newspaper company stating that this requirement has been met. The News Journal charges $73 to post this legal notice. If you live in the 19720 Zip Code the New Castle Weekly will post your CCW for $10.00. Also check into other Local weekly news papers some of these will also qualify and are significantly cheaper then the News Journal.

References:
You must have five reference questionnaires completed by people who live within your county.

Photographs:
You must supply two 1.5”x 1.5” color passport-style photographs, taken within the six-month period immediately preceding the filing of the application. You can have these done at most any Walgreen’s for about $9.00 or the USPS for $15.

Fingerprinting:
You must make an appointment to be fingerprinted for a background check performed by the Delaware State Police SBI. Generally it can take anywhere from two to three weeks from the date you call to receive an appointment. The background check costs $69 and takes 4-6 weeks to complete; however, once you have your receipt, you may file your application with the Prothonotary’s Office. Finger prints must be taken within 30 days of filling and a picture ID is REQUIRED.

Appointments are ONLY Tuesday & Thursday Noon to 6:30 PM

You will be given the address of the Delaware State Police Troop to report to at the time you are given an appointment.

For an appointment call: (302) 739-2528 or 1-800-464-4357

POST FILING:
After submitting all required documents and passing the Delaware State Police background check you will receive a letter in the mail approximately 4-6 weeks after submitting your application from the Delaware Attorney Generals Office with their recommendation as to whether or not they feel you should or should not receive your Delaware CCW Permit. At this point your application is submitted to the Judge for his or her final decision this may take up to 2-3 weeks. Again Delaware is a MAY ISSUE state and the Judge has the right to deny your application for any reason he or she feels is valid. Provided you pass everything and the Judge approves your Permit, your permit will be mailed to you within another 1-2 weeks after you submit you gun safety course certificate of completion.

Firearms Safety Course:
Generally, the cost of this course runs between $150 and $350. This course should be taken after you are approved for your Delaware CCW Permit. The content of the gun safety course is dictated by Delaware law (11 DEL. C. Sec. 1441) and must be taught by a certified firearms instructor. The firearms instructors must be sponsored by a federal, state, county or municipal law enforcement agency or through a nationally recognized agency such as the NRA. The course shall cover the following items; the safe handling, cleaning and maintenance of your firearm and ammunition; storing your weapon and child safety; instruction regarding safe firearms shooting fundamentals, instruction on state and federal laws pertaining to the use of deadly force for self defense, purchasing, possession and transportation of firearms, instruction regarding techniques for avoiding a criminal attack and conflict resolution and a live fire exercise including the expenditure of at least 100 rounds.

Reciprocity:
The Attorney General shall publish on January 15th of every year a list of all States which have qualified for Reciprocity with the State of Delaware. Once you have your Delaware CCW Permit current reciprocity agreements through the Delaware Attorney Generals office will allow you to carry in Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Kentucky, Main, Michigan, Missouri, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, South Carolina,
Virginia and West Virginia. It should also be noted at this time Vermont does not require a permit to carry concealed in their state. Important note: Remember concealed carry laws vary from state to state; it is your responsibility to educate yourself on any and all laws for any states that you may be traveling to, or traveling through.

[D1B]

Too long.

Next.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

More blood on the lefts hands.........what's new they kill anything, women, children etc. It's what they do

[travelinman67]

Ain't blue states great? Here's the process for Delaware. Executive summary: $400, Gun Safety Course, Publish your name and address in newspaper for 10 days, Get five references who are not relatives, Get fingerprinted, Get photos, File application, Wait, and wait. And still possibly get arbitrarily rejected with no explanation required from the prothonotary:

Sue. Your constitutional rights are being infringed.

In CA, due to the incessant efforts by Shitstick Brown and our Leftislature to ban firearms/eliminate Second Amendment protection, several organizations have emerged, notably GOC, Gun Owners of California, which have developed a legal department that routinely files suits/estoppels/injunctions to block unconstitutional legislation.
Furthermore, technical loopholes in new statutes are publicly posted/emailed to GOC members who then go out if their way to exploit those loopholes.
Every day is a new battle, but the gun control zealots always underestimate Second Amendment advocates resolve.

[Chizzang]

More blood on the lefts hands.........what's new they kill anything, women, children etc. It's what they do

If we could only figure out how to kill 'em all..!!!

[CID1990]

Guns and voting are a lot like abortion and the death penalty-

It's easy to become cynical with all the obvious political hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty

[kalm]

Guns and voting are a lot like abortion and the death penalty-

It's easy to become cynical with all the obvious political hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty

Sort of like impeaching a philanderer...?

[Baldy]

Ain't blue states great? Here's the process for Delaware. Executive summary: $400, Gun Safety Course, Publish your name and address in newspaper for 10 days, Get five references who are not relatives, Get fingerprinted, Get photos, File application, Wait, and wait. And still possibly get arbitrarily rejected with no explanation required from the prothonotary:

In order for you to apply for your Delaware CCW Permit the following steps must be followed and completed failure to complete one or more of these steps will cause the Prothonotary’s office to reject your application. The initial cost is around $400 this cost may be a little less depending the route you take with the Gun Safety Class and the news paper that you choose to use. Initial permits are good for a period of three years. Many of the Members of this Web Site have already obtained their Delaware CCW Permit and can help you through the process.

Application:
You must complete your application and have it notarized. You must file all paperwork, as well as a duplicate copy of all paperwork with the Prothonotary's Office. Remember to answer all questions truthfully and to the best of your ability any omission of information or failing to answer a question truthfully can be grounds for denying your application. The statutory filing fee is $65.00.
Cash, money order or personal check, made payable to the "PROTHONOTARY" will be accepted.
(Credit cards are accepted in Kent County ONLY)

Residency requirement:
You must be a resident of the state of Delaware. If you are a Delaware resident, an out of state permit with Delaware reciprocity is not valid for you in the state of Delaware. Delaware residents must have a Delaware CCW Permit to legally carry concealed.

Out of State Resident:
If you are from out of the State of Delaware you have the option of obtaining a Florida or Utah permit, these states are both shall issue states and are less expensive.

Publication of your intent:
You must publish your full name, your home address and indicate your intent to make application for a Delaware CCW Permit in a newspaper, published in your county that has a circulation of at least 35% percent of the population in your ZIP code. This must run at least (10) days before filling of your application with the Court. Make sure that you obtain an affidavit from the newspaper company stating that this requirement has been met. The News Journal charges $73 to post this legal notice. If you live in the 19720 Zip Code the New Castle Weekly will post your CCW for $10.00. Also check into other Local weekly news papers some of these will also qualify and are significantly cheaper then the News Journal.

References:
You must have five reference questionnaires completed by people who live within your county.

Photographs:
You must supply two 1.5”x 1.5” color passport-style photographs, taken within the six-month period immediately preceding the filing of the application. You can have these done at most any Walgreen’s for about $9.00 or the USPS for $15.

Fingerprinting:
You must make an appointment to be fingerprinted for a background check performed by the Delaware State Police SBI. Generally it can take anywhere from two to three weeks from the date you call to receive an appointment. The background check costs $69 and takes 4-6 weeks to complete; however, once you have your receipt, you may file your application with the Prothonotary’s Office. Finger prints must be taken within 30 days of filling and a picture ID is REQUIRED.

Appointments are ONLY Tuesday & Thursday Noon to 6:30 PM

You will be given the address of the Delaware State Police Troop to report to at the time you are given an appointment.

For an appointment call: (302) 739-2528 or 1-800-464-4357

POST FILING:
After submitting all required documents and passing the Delaware State Police background check you will receive a letter in the mail approximately 4-6 weeks after submitting your application from the Delaware Attorney Generals Office with their recommendation as to whether or not they feel you should or should not receive your Delaware CCW Permit. At this point your application is submitted to the Judge for his or her final decision this may take up to 2-3 weeks. Again Delaware is a MAY ISSUE state and the Judge has the right to deny your application for any reason he or she feels is valid. Provided you pass everything and the Judge approves your Permit, your permit will be mailed to you within another 1-2 weeks after you submit you gun safety course certificate of completion.

Firearms Safety Course:
Generally, the cost of this course runs between $150 and $350. This course should be taken after you are approved for your Delaware CCW Permit. The content of the gun safety course is dictated by Delaware law (11 DEL. C. Sec. 1441) and must be taught by a certified firearms instructor. The firearms instructors must be sponsored by a federal, state, county or municipal law enforcement agency or through a nationally recognized agency such as the NRA. The course shall cover the following items; the safe handling, cleaning and maintenance of your firearm and ammunition; storing your weapon and child safety; instruction regarding safe firearms shooting fundamentals, instruction on state and federal laws pertaining to the use of deadly force for self defense, purchasing, possession and transportation of firearms, instruction regarding techniques for avoiding a criminal attack and conflict resolution and a live fire exercise including the expenditure of at least 100 rounds.

Reciprocity:
The Attorney General shall publish on January 15th of every year a list of all States which have qualified for Reciprocity with the State of Delaware. Once you have your Delaware CCW Permit current reciprocity agreements through the Delaware Attorney Generals office will allow you to carry in Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Kentucky, Main, Michigan, Missouri, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, South Carolina,
Virginia and West Virginia. It should also be noted at this time Vermont does not require a permit to carry concealed in their state. Important note: Remember concealed carry laws vary from state to state; it is your responsibility to educate yourself on any and all laws for any states that you may be traveling to, or traveling through.

Let's put these types of restrictions on a woman seeking an abortion and see the shit fly.

[houndawg]

Guns and voting are a lot like abortion and the death penalty-

It's easy to become cynical with all the obvious political hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty

Sort of like impeaching a philanderer...?

yeah, sort of like that.

[houndawg]

Ain't blue states great? Here's the process for Delaware. Executive summary: $400, Gun Safety Course, Publish your name and address in newspaper for 10 days, Get five references who are not relatives, Get fingerprinted, Get photos, File application, Wait, and wait. And still possibly get arbitrarily rejected with no explanation required from the prothonotary:

Sue. Your constitutional rights are being infringed.

In CA, due to the incessant efforts by Shitstick Brown and our Leftislature to ban firearms/eliminate Second Amendment protection, several organizations have emerged, notably GOC, Gun Owners of California, which have developed a legal department that routinely files suits/estoppels/injunctions to block unconstitutional legislation.
Furthermore, technical loopholes in new statutes are publicly posted/emailed to GOC members who then go out if their way to exploit those loopholes.
Every day is a new battle, but the gun control zealots always underestimate Second Amendment advocates resolve.

Dumb bitch could have found a gun anywhere.

[CID1990]

Guns and voting are a lot like abortion and the death penalty-

It's easy to become cynical with all the obvious political hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty

Sort of like impeaching a philanderer...?

No

I was talking about the dichotomous relationships between those two pairs of issues.

When did we impeach someone for being a philanderer? I only know about the time we impeached a perjurer.

[Chizzang]

Sort of like impeaching a philanderer...?

No

I was talking about the dichotomous relationships between those two pairs of issues.

When did we impeach someone for being a philanderer? I only know about the time we impeached a perjurer.

Yes I let some air out of the footballs - 10 days go by - $100k dollar fine everybody moves on
NO I DID NOT DO ANYTHING TO THE FOOTBALLS

lose draft pick
4 game suspension
$1000000 Million dollar fine

Afterwards..
Q: Geeze man why so mean about a little are?
A: Its not about the air its about the fact that you lied about a little air

And such is the way of the world...
Yeah I f*cked her and so what?
3 day news cycle story over

[travelinman67]

No

I was talking about the dichotomous relationships between those two pairs of issues.

When did we impeach someone for being a philanderer? I only know about the time we impeached a perjurer.

Yes I let some air out of the footballs - 10 days go by - $100k dollar fine everybody moves on
NO I DID NOT DO ANYTHING TO THE FOOTBALLS

lose draft pick
4 game suspension
$1000000 Million dollar fine

Afterwards..
Q: Geeze man why so mean about a little are?
A: Its not about the air its about the fact that you lied about a little air

And such is the way of the world...
Yeah I f*cked her and so what?
3 day news cycle story over

Moral:
Deflating=Bad
Inflating=Not so bad

[CID1990]

No

I was talking about the dichotomous relationships between those two pairs of issues.

When did we impeach someone for being a philanderer? I only know about the time we impeached a perjurer.

Yes I let some air out of the footballs - 10 days go by - $100k dollar fine everybody moves on
NO I DID NOT DO ANYTHING TO THE FOOTBALLS

lose draft pick
4 game suspension
$1000000 Million dollar fine

Afterwards..
Q: Geeze man why so mean about a little are?
A: Its not about the air its about the fact that you lied about a little air

And such is the way of the world...
Yeah I f*cked her and so what?
3 day news cycle story over

Exactly.

Thats why I dont think Clinton just simply tells fibs when it suits him

Both he and his wife are fundamentally dishonest, pathological liars

The sad thing is that the one Democrat I would have voted for president was the Clintons' first scalp of this campaign

[kalm]

Sort of like impeaching a philanderer...?

No

I was talking about the dichotomous relationships between those two pairs of issues.

When did we impeach someone for being a philanderer? I only know about the time we impeached a perjurer.

Well then...I fucked that one up.

I can still be cynical though right?

[GannonFan]

Sort of like impeaching a philanderer...?

No

I was talking about the dichotomous relationships between those two pairs of issues.

When did we impeach someone for being a philanderer? I only know about the time we impeached a perjurer.

We did also impeach a guy in the 1800's, but just because Congress didn't like him. Eh, I guess Congress didn't like the guy in the 1990's either, perjury nonwithstanding of course.

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

Dumb bitch could have found a gun anywhere.

I guess I will take the bait....

Are you condoning her becoming a criminal then? Sounds like she tried to do it the legal way and is now dead because of it. She should have been able to buy one legally is the issue in case you missed it.

[93henfan]

Dumb bitch could have found a gun anywhere.

I guess I will take the bait....

Are you condoning her becoming a criminal then? Sounds like she tried to do it the legal way and is now dead because of it. She should have been able to buy one legally is the issue in case you missed it.

Yes, the comment wasn't worth addressing, but since you did...

I sort of turned the thread in a different direction with the CCW discussion, but this case had nothing to do with CCW. Apparently in Jersey, you have to get a permit to even buy a weapon, which is ludicrous when there is already an instant federal check done by BATF at time of sale.

And now the gun banners get their gun show arguments thrown back in their face. A gun show would have been one of the few legal ways for this woman to obtain a firearm that might have saved her life.

But the blood here is clearly on the hands of gun control proponents.

[JohnStOnge]

You know, I think about something from time to time. I think about how opponents of stuff like voter ID say you're supposed to make it as EASY as possible for people to vote because it's a fundamental right. So like if you even require that they have a photo ID that's wrong because it's a fundamental right.

Then I think about how much restriction and difficulty we put on the right to keep and bear arms. Background checks. On and on. Yet the right to keep and bear arms is more prominently featured in the Constitution than the right to vote is.

Meanwhile, I don't think it's a stretch to say that those who say we should not make sure people who vote are who they say they are because voting is a fundamental right tend to also think we should make it as HARD as possible for someone to exercise their fundamental right to keep and bear arms.

It's very interesting.

[houndawg]

No

I was talking about the dichotomous relationships between those two pairs of issues.

When did we impeach someone for being a philanderer? I only know about the time we impeached a perjurer.

We did also impeach a guy in the 1800's, but just because Congress didn't like him. Eh, I guess Congress didn't like the guy in the 1990's either, perjury nonwithstanding of course.

He monopolized the poon; the few Congressmen that like women, all donks, couldn't get any play with Big Willy around.

[houndawg]

You know, I think about something from time to time. I think about how opponents of stuff like voter ID say you're supposed to make it as EASY as possible for people to vote because it's a fundamental right. So like if you even require that they have a photo ID that's wrong because it's a fundamental right.

Then I think about how much restriction and difficulty we put on the right to keep and bear arms. Background checks. On and on. Yet the right to keep and bear arms is more prominently featured in the Constitution than the right to vote is.

Meanwhile, I don't think it's a stretch to say that those who say we should not make sure people who vote are who they say they are because voting is a fundamental right tend to also think we should make it as HARD as possible for someone to exercise their fundamental right to keep and bear arms.

It's very interesting.

Need more stimulus in your life, John.

[houndawg]

Dumb bitch could have found a gun anywhere.

I guess I will take the bait....

Are you condoning her becoming a criminal then? Sounds like she tried to do it the legal way and is now dead because of it. She should have been able to buy one legally is the issue in case you missed it.

You say "becoming a criminal" like its a bad thing and we aren't already violating several laws in the course of our daily routine.

[houndawg]

Dumb bitch could have found a gun anywhere.

I guess I will take the bait....

Are you condoning her becoming a criminal then? Sounds like she tried to do it the legal way and is now dead because of it. She should have been able to buy one legally is the issue in case you missed it.

According to the article, she was in the process of buying one. I guess you missed it.


These things take time, owning deadly weapons is a big responsibility; hell you can't just walk in to a booth and vote on election day either. Funny how the same crowd that wants an extensive genaeology work up for anybody who isn't white casting a vote is in favor of handing out complimentary pistols with your purchase of a lawn mower.

[Baldy]

I guess I will take the bait....

Are you condoning her becoming a criminal then? Sounds like she tried to do it the legal way and is now dead because of it. She should have been able to buy one legally is the issue in case you missed it.

According to the article, she was in the process of buying one. I guess you missed it.


These things take time, owning deadly weapons is a big responsibility; hell you can't just walk in to a booth and vote on election day either. Funny how the same crowd that wants an extensive genaeology work up for anybody who isn't white casting a vote is in favor of handing out complimentary pistols with your purchase of a lawn mower.

Hyperbolic Drama Queen Alert.