#thetruthmatters - Freddie Gray Autopsy Released

[travelinman67]

The arresting officers put him in the van and didn't secure him or correct the transporting officer to secure him. They had a responsibility to keep this guy safe during the transportation, either from himself or from the damage inside the vehicle, and they didn't do it and they'll spend time in jail because of it...

Yes, they had a responsibility to keep Gray safe while in custody. But responsibility only extends to a degree thay the police are acting REASONABLY to provide protection.
If...

...IF... Gray was intent on injuring himself during transport, a premise supported by the other arrestee's statements, then the question becomes whether the transporting officer took reasonable steps to prevent Gray from harming himself. The "duty" to protect is not absolute: E.G., the transporting officer has no obligation to pad the compartment with goose down feathers, nor risk his own safety, to ensure Gray is safe.

You may disagree, but the courts will settle this matter.

How about a side wager?

If I'm correct, you cough up a bottle of single malt.

If you're correct, D1B will send you a case of WI microwbrew.

[andy7171]

Um, the investigators concluded the fatal injury occurred sometime between the second and fifth stop, and the other arrestee in back has stated Gray was screaming and banging around up to the fourth stop...

...sooo....

...how could the initial arresting bike/foot patrol officers be responsible?

Gray was standing unassisted at the back of the van as he was placed inside...a physical act several doctors have said would have been impossible with the type of fatal injury he sustained.

There are really two relevant issues:
1. Was his injury self-inflicted or caused by vehicle movement?
2. Was the transporting officer's failure to seatbelt Gray an egregious act rising to the level of negligence?

My hip-shot guess is there will only be one officer facing a conviction, if any.

BTW, much of the investigation has been withheld from the press. Leaks indicate Gray fled to the housing project, ditched some form of contraband (drugs/gun), then returned outside to taunt the officers.

Not that this theory would change (justify) the outcome, but like the Michael Brown shooting, the narrative that Gray was some saint indiscriminately harassed and abused by police, is a myth.

The arresting officers put him in the van and didn't secure him or correct the transporting officer to secure him. They had a responsibility to keep this guy safe during the transportation, either from himself or from the damage inside the vehicle, and they didn't do it and they'll spend time in jail because of it.

Doesn't matter to me what drugs he had in his possession or things he dumped. Doesn't matter to me that this guy was a loser and a depraved individual. Once they placed him in that van it was the police's responsibility to get him where they were taking him safely and they didn't do it and they consciously didn't do it. They should and will be punished for this lack of fulfilling the duty as police officers. Even if the guy that died was worthless.

Baltimore City Police had just(like 1-2 months prior) made it mandatory to seatbelt prisoners. So the practice was fairly new. It was made mandatory due to the fact the prisoners were injuring themselves to delay getting put into Central Booking. He died 7-8 days later, so it wasn't like his dumb ass showed up dead at stop 5.

[andy7171]

I'm just going to say it, Marylin Mosby is hot.

[travelinman67]

I'm just going to say it, Marylin Mosby is hot.

So was Jane Fonda in the '60's.

Just means she would have made an attractive corpse swinging on the end of a Sedition trial conviction noose.

[houndawg]

As long as it doesn't show up on film the cops will be OK. Even if they get the sack they'll just move on down the line to a place where where the upright citizens appreciate someone who don't take no shit from no scumbags.

[travelinman67]

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/201 ... baltimore/

...In a procedural filing, prosecutors are seeking to have Caesar R. Goodson, Sgt. Alicia D. White, Edward M. Nero and Garrett E. Miller tried together, and Officer William F. Porter and Lt. Brian W. Rice to be tried together.
The court filings do not explain the reasoning behind the request, and a spokeswoman for the state’s attorney’s office declined to comment.
Some legal analysts had expected to see Nero and Miller, the two bicycle officers initially involved in stopping Gray split off from the others who face more serious accusations. They only face misdemeanor charges...

[travelinman67]

Brady evidence released to defense...fellow arrestee Donta Allan on video telling police that Gray had gone "crazy" in the back of the van, was slamming around trying to hurt himself.

...then, next day, tries to deny he talked with police.

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=36Vru3hwZfA[/youtube]

[grizzaholic]

And Baltimore settles with his family for 6.4 million bucks.

Hey AZ, can we get the over/under on when the money will be all gone? Will it be months or will it be years OR will it get invested wisely and they will be set for life, and their kids, and their kids?

[andy7171]

Knowing now what I now about T-man, this thread saddens me. RIP

[BDKJMU]

And Baltimore settles with his family for 6.4 million bucks.

Hey AZ, can we get the over/under on when the money will be all gone? Will it be months or will it be years OR will it get invested wisely and they will be set for life, and their kids, and their kids?

Pathetic. The hood rat, heroin addict mother (center) amd absentee father (right) het 6.4 million. What a joke..

"To suggest that there is any reason to settle prior to the adjudication of the pending criminal cases is obscene and without regard to the fiduciary responsibility owed to (taxpayers)," said Gene Ryan, president of the Baltimore Fraternal Order of Police.
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The Baltimore mayor and their council that approved this are an f'ing joke..

[CAA Flagship]

The BLM crowd wanted justice, i.e. the cops to go to jail.
But I guess they are OK with this now.

[BDKJMU]

Jury deliberations have begun. So when do we get the 1st riots?
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[CAA Flagship]

Jury deliberations have begun. So when do we get the 1st riots?
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Convenience store owners are getting nervous.

[89Hen]

Sounding more and more like a hung jury. Not sure if that would be enough to spark riots. Probably.

[Grizalltheway]

Sounding more and more like a hung jury. Not sure if that would be enough to spark riots. Probably.

Not as much as a hung...never mind.

[bandl]

Sounding more and more like a hung jury. Not sure if that would be enough to spark riots. Probably.

Not as much as a hung...never mind.

HORSE

[andy7171]

Shit is going down it looks like regardless of the jury saying guilty or not guilty. Police are being sent in from all surrounding counties and assembling in Patterson park for the last three days. "Staging"

This town is going to burn.

[Grizalltheway]

Isn't this only the first of six trials related to this case?

[BDKJMU]

Sounding more and more like a hung jury. Not sure if that would be enough to spark riots. Probably.

Wait, the officer on trial is a black male and ALL the jurors are black males? WTF?

[CAA Flagship]

Sounding more and more like a hung jury. Not sure if that would be enough to spark riots. Probably.

Wait, the officer on trial is a black male and ALL the jurors are black males? WTF?

Yes. The lead juror is Tyrone Shoes.

[andy7171]

Isn't this only the first of six trials related to this case?

Yes.

Dumb fucks protesting about nothing they understand.

The fact that this is looking like a hung jury, gives me hope some people are sane. The three white police officers are fucked.

[BDKJMU]

Breaking: HUNG: Mistrial on all 4 counts...

[BDKJMU]

Isn't this only the first of six trials related to this case?

Yes.

Dumb **** protesting about nothing they understand.

The fact that this is looking like a hung jury, gives me hope some people are sane. The three white police officers are ****.

Breaking: thousands of would be protestors have a stupid, puzzeled look on their face after hearing "hung jury". Someone's got to explain it to them...

[andy7171]

Yes.

Dumb **** protesting about nothing they understand.

The fact that this is looking like a hung jury, gives me hope some people are sane. The three white police officers are ****.

Breaking: thousands of would be protestors have a stupid, puzzeled look on their face after hearing "hung jury". Someone's got to explain it to them...

Well, they are all black men.

[93henfan]

Aren't all juries in Baltimore hung?