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U.S. Air Force's most sophisticated stealth jet is beaten in dogfight by plane from 1970s... despite being the most expensive weapon in history

The F-35 stealth jet has already cost the military more than $350billion
But in a mock battle it was outperformed by an F-16 designed in the 1970s
F-35 test pilot said new plane was too cumbersome to dodge enemy fire
He deemed it totally inappropriate for fighting aircraft within visual range



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... story.html

Also at the article for including pics of four F-15s as F-16s.

Can anybody even debate the observation that the Pentagon is our country's largest failed social program

Chizzang wrote:Can anybody even debate the observation that the Pentagon is our country's largest failed social program

Social? wrong one.

fiscal? Definitely.

Welfare on steroids.

dbackjon wrote:

Chizzang wrote:Can anybody even debate the observation that the Pentagon is our country's largest failed social program

Social? wrong one.

fiscal? Definitely.

Welfare on steroids.

How else can one define it - other than a social program...
There is almost zero accountability

We have a thread on this site where we're arguing if the Pentagon lost $____ X or Y trillion dollars
and they can't even be audited



Shoveling cash into a furnace and burning it at least produces heat

Chizzang wrote:

dbackjon wrote:

Social? wrong one.

fiscal? Definitely.

Welfare on steroids.

How else can one define it - other than a social program...
There is almost zero accountability

We have a thread on this site where we're arguing if the Pentagon lost $____ X or Y trillion dollars
and they can't even be audited



Shoveling cash into a furnace and burning it at least produces heat

"The military is the only thing the federal government does efficiently"
-CS.com conks

HI54UNI wrote:U.S. Air Force's most sophisticated stealth jet is beaten in dogfight by plane from 1970s... despite being the most expensive weapon in history

The F-35 stealth jet has already cost the military more than $350billion
But in a mock battle it was outperformed by an F-16 designed in the 1970s
F-35 test pilot said new plane was too cumbersome to dodge enemy fire
He deemed it totally inappropriate for fighting aircraft within visual range



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... story.html

The hell of it is that they pissed away hundreds of billions knowing that existing technology could have easily carried us until drone fighters take over. Fvcking takers.

Chizzang wrote:

dbackjon wrote:

Social? wrong one.

fiscal? Definitely.

Welfare on steroids.

How else can one define it - other than a social program...
There is almost zero accountability

We have a thread on this site where we're arguing if the Pentagon lost $____ X or Y trillion dollars
and they can't even be audited



Shoveling cash into a furnace and burning it at least produces heat

I am looking at it from a pure social aspect - integration, etc has usually worked quicker in the military than outside.

Who was piloting the F-16? Maverick or Iceman?

andy7171 wrote:Who was piloting the F-16? Maverick or Iceman?

Hollywood.

andy7171 wrote:Who was piloting the F-16? Maverick or Iceman?

A decade from now fighter pilots will be obsolete.

houndawg wrote:

andy7171 wrote:Who was piloting the F-16? Maverick or Iceman?

A decade from now fighter pilots will be obsolete.

And there won't be a need for them either.

houndawg wrote:

andy7171 wrote:Who was piloting the F-16? Maverick or Iceman?

A decade from now fighter pilots will be obsolete.

I've seen Stealth. You're full of shit!

houndawg wrote:

andy7171 wrote:Who was piloting the F-16? Maverick or Iceman?

A decade from now fighter pilots will be obsolete.

Yep, just like during early Nam when they said dogfighting was obsolete..

...oh wait...

When was the last time our fighters actually engaged in a dogfight?

BDKJMU wrote:

houndawg wrote:
A decade from now fighter pilots will be obsolete.

Yep, just like during early Nam when they said dogfighting was obsolete..

...oh wait...

and we were all supposed to have flying cars by now

hell, Blade Runner happened last year

The F-35 tried to be all things to all people and is nowhere near what it was originally intended to be. We should have stayed with the F-22 and kept pumping out FA-18s, F-16s, and F-15's with advanced electronics. Overwhelming an enemy with numbers works pretty well vs. having one asset that's not as advertised.

HI54UNI wrote:He deemed it totally inappropriate for fighting aircraft within visual range

When's the last time that happened, the 1950s?

ASUG8 wrote:The F-35 tried to be all things to all people and is nowhere near what it was originally intended to be. We should have stayed with the F-22 and kept pumping out FA-18s, F-16s, and F-15's with advanced electronics. Overwhelming an enemy with numbers works pretty well vs. having one asset that's not as advertised.

How long have I been saying this shit?
F-35 my azz. piece of shyt

mrklean wrote:

ASUG8 wrote:The F-35 tried to be all things to all people and is nowhere near what it was originally intended to be. We should have stayed with the F-22 and kept pumping out FA-18s, F-16s, and F-15's with advanced electronics. Overwhelming an enemy with numbers works pretty well vs. having one asset that's not as advertised.

How long have I been saying this shit?
F-35 my azz. piece of shyt

Indeed,
You have been saying that for years actually...

andy7171 wrote:

houndawg wrote:
A decade from now fighter pilots will be obsolete.

I've seen Stealth. You're full of ****!

If its such great stuff how come you could see it?

mrklean wrote:

ASUG8 wrote:The F-35 tried to be all things to all people and is nowhere near what it was originally intended to be. We should have stayed with the F-22 and kept pumping out FA-18s, F-16s, and F-15's with advanced electronics. Overwhelming an enemy with numbers works pretty well vs. having one asset that's not as advertised.

How long have I been saying this shit?
F-35 my azz. piece of shyt

Credit where it due. You nailed this at least six years ago.

andy7171 wrote:

mrklean wrote:
How long have I been saying this ****?
F-35 my azz. piece of shyt

Credit where it due. You nailed this at least six years ago.

He did.

Fvcking welfare leeches...

Who on here has been defending the F-35 in these past 6 years? (I thought some had, but don't remember).

BDKJMU wrote:Who on here has been defending the F-35 in these past 6 years? (I thought some had, but don't remember).

Ive come out in defense of it - and in defense of the need for a next gen fighter.

We'll see what happens now - but this is a strong indictment.

Ive also been in favor of keeping the F-22 and never even creating the F-35 but that's a whole other issue