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Stem Cell research

Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 6:22 pm
by dgreco
Now the government will get bigger and waste more money :roll: :? :evil:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Barack Obama lifted restrictions on federal funding of human embryonic stem cell research on Monday, angering abortion opponents but cheering those who believe the study could produce treatments for many diseases.

"We will lift the ban on federal funding for promising embryonic stem cell research," Obama said to vigorous applause at a White House gathering.

"We will also vigorously support scientists who pursue this research. And we will aim for America to lead the world in the discoveries it one day may yield."

Shares of companies specializing in stem cell research burst upward on the news, with Geron Corp up by as much as much as 35 percent and StemCells Inc up 73 percent at one point. Other related company shares rose, too.

The decision was a clear repudiation of the approach taken by Obama's predecessor, George W. Bush. U.S. law limits the use of federal money to make human stem cells, but Bush tightened the restrictions even further to include work using such cells.

Bush's decision prompted charges that he was basing his decision on politics and religion rather than science. Religious conservatives who supported Bush generally opposed embryonic stem cell research because it involves destruction of embryos, which they view as human life.

Obama rejected that view.

"When it comes to stem cell research, rather than furthering discovery, our government has forced what I believe is a false choice between sound science and moral values," he said.

"As a person of faith, I believe we are called to care for each other and work to ease human suffering. I believe we have been given the capacity and will to pursue this research -- and the humanity and conscience to do so responsibly."

Aides said Obama would not dictate details about how stem cell research should be overseen but would give the National Institutes of Health 120 days to come up with guidelines.

"We will never undertake this research lightly," Obama said. "We will develop strict guidelines, which we will rigorously enforce, because we cannot ever tolerate misuse or abuse."

Some scientists accused Bush of sacrificing scientific research and subverting scientific findings to appease his conservative political and religious base, not only on stem cells but on climate change policy, energy and reproductive and end of life issues.

STATEMENT ON SCIENCE

Obama also signed a presidential memorandum directing the head of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy to develop a strategy for "restoring scientific integrity to government decision making."

The NIH will take into consideration guidelines from the National Academy of Sciences and the International Society for Stem Cell Research, said Dr. Harold Varmus, a former NIH director who is also president of the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York and an adviser to Obama.

Kansas Senator Sam Brownback issued a statement of dissent: "If an embryo is a life, and I believe strongly that it is life, then no government has the right to sanction their destruction for research purposes."

He argued that other sources of stem cells that do not come from human embryos offer as much promise.

Stem cell experts agree that all types of stem cells should be developed, but it is not clear which offer the best route to a new type of therapy called regenerative medicine, in which it is hoped doctors can replace brain cells destroyed by Alzheimer's disease, reverse genetic defects such as cystic fibrosis, and regrow severed spinal cords.
Again I disagree with Obama's order. There wasn't a restriction on private acquisition and study of stem cells. This is a common misconception. What Obama's order does is open federal funding to stem cell research. So what Obama is essentially doing is expanded the government and promoting more spending.

People think Obama is moving science forward, because he isn't and Bush did not "hold it back. Instead we need to look at this as whether or not this is actually an appropriate use of taxpayer money.

Re: Stem Cell research

Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 6:35 pm
by dbackjon
Disagree here. Basic science spending by the federal government is critical to the expansion of our economy.

There is a lot of federally funded research that has been hampered by the ban, which was stupid in the first place.

This order does not GIVE ANY NEW FUNDING. It just makes already appropriated grants, etc, eligible for use with embryonic stem cells.


Change that was needed.

Re: Stem Cell research

Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 7:01 pm
by dgreco
I have no problem with stem cell research, but through private enterprises. Socialism science is a bad thing, one it is a waste of money when it could be done better through private resources (I will include university hospitals and scientists), and the spending overall is not my biggest problem, but it is the time that he wants it done. He is pushing too much too quick. I opposed Bush opposing it because or moral reasons, but that is the past now.

Re: Stem Cell research

Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 7:53 pm
by Wedgebuster
Fans of science
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are born one family at a time.

Re: Stem Cell research

Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 8:12 pm
by catamount man
No shit wedge. It's about time the LIVING got their share of the pro life "movement". After all, they're LIVING.

My God it feels good to be free and loving of all God's creatures again. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Re: Stem Cell research

Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 8:45 pm
by dgreco
Image

Picture is actually from Bryant when Bill Clinton came this year, but Jim Langevin, a US Rep is a huge supporter of this and has been vocal so far. Again, I do not oppose SCR, but tax payer funding is something that is not should be used, at least right now.

Re: Stem Cell research

Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 9:05 am
by Gil Dobie
Wedgebuster wrote:Fans of science
Image
are born one family at a time.
No doubt, a majority of Americans support stem cell research. The debate has always been federal funding.

Re: Stem Cell research

Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 9:12 am
by dgreco
Gil Dobie wrote:
Wedgebuster wrote:Fans of science
Image
are born one family at a time.
No doubt, a majority of Americans support stem cell research. The debate has always been federal funding.
and now is not the time to throw money into it. The money could be used for much more important needs if we are going to just print and throw money around.

Re: Stem Cell research

Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 9:15 am
by Gil Dobie
dgreco wrote:and now is not the time to throw money into it. The money could be used for much more important needs if we are going to just print and throw money around.
That's where congress could have let a bank and auto company or two go under and spend the money elsewhere.

Re: Stem Cell research

Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:01 pm
by JoltinJoe
This is obviously a disappointing decision by the President.

Given that it has now been established that adult stem cell research is at least as beneficial as embryonic stem cell research -- contrary to the prior assertions that embryonic stem cells were vastly superior for research -- one wonders why the President would re-open a moral and ethical debate, and authorize ethically dubious research, when the whole issue had been mooted by science.

Even the New York Times op-ed page has openly questioned why the President would commit federal funds to research on embryonic stem cells, given the advances science has made working with adult stem cells.

Rethink Stem Cells? Science Already Has

Re: Stem Cell research

Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:08 pm
by wildkyle
i have heard adult stem cell research is where the cures have been found not the other kind

Re: Stem Cell research

Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:30 pm
by dbackjon
JoltinJoe wrote:This is obviously a disappointing decision by the President.

Given that it has now been established that adult stem cell research is at least as beneficial as embryonic stem cell research -- contrary to the prior assertions that embryonic stem cells were vastly superior for research -- one wonders why the President would re-open a moral and ethical debate, and authorize ethically dubious research, when the whole issue had been mooted by science.

Even the New York Times op-ed page has openly questioned why the President would commit federal funds to research on embryonic stem cells, given the advances science has made working with adult stem cells.

Rethink Stem Cells? Science Already Has
President Obama is not setting aside any funding for this - but rather not RESTRICTING it.

Any group that wishes to apply for funding must still show the validity as to why. No guarantee it will be funded.

Re: Stem Cell research

Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:37 pm
by JoltinJoe
dbackjon wrote:
JoltinJoe wrote:This is obviously a disappointing decision by the President.

Given that it has now been established that adult stem cell research is at least as beneficial as embryonic stem cell research -- contrary to the prior assertions that embryonic stem cells were vastly superior for research -- one wonders why the President would re-open a moral and ethical debate, and authorize ethically dubious research, when the whole issue had been mooted by science.

Even the New York Times op-ed page has openly questioned why the President would commit federal funds to research on embryonic stem cells, given the advances science has made working with adult stem cells.

Rethink Stem Cells? Science Already Has
President Obama is not setting aside any funding for this - but rather not RESTRICTING it.

Any group that wishes to apply for funding must still show the validity as to why. No guarantee it will be funded.
Ok, still don't know why the President would even get involved in this. Research on adult stems cells is just as good, probably better, and no one has a moral or ethical issue with the research.

Re: Stem Cell research

Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:41 pm
by dbackjon
JoltinJoe wrote:
dbackjon wrote:
President Obama is not setting aside any funding for this - but rather not RESTRICTING it.

Any group that wishes to apply for funding must still show the validity as to why. No guarantee it will be funded.
Ok, still don't know why the President would even get involved in this. Research on adult stems cells is just as good, probably better, and no one has a moral or ethical issue with the research.
That is what you SHOULD HAVE asked Bush, when he intervened in the first place.


And, from your article...

This technology “may eventually eclipse the embryonic stem cell lines for therapeutic as well as diagnostics applications,” Dr. Kriegstein said. For researchers, reprogramming an adult cell can be much more convenient, and there have never been any restrictions on working with adult stem cells.

Re: Stem Cell research

Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:21 pm
by JoltinJoe
dbackjon wrote:
JoltinJoe wrote:
Ok, still don't know why the President would even get involved in this. Research on adult stems cells is just as good, probably better, and no one has a moral or ethical issue with the research.
That is what you SHOULD HAVE asked Bush, when he intervened in the first place.


And, from your article...

This technology “may eventually eclipse the embryonic stem cell lines for therapeutic as well as diagnostics applications,” Dr. Kriegstein said. For researchers, reprogramming an adult cell can be much more convenient, and there have never been any restrictions on working with adult stem cells.
You're quoting a guy with an agenda.

The second sentence you quote is an objective fact.

Re: Stem Cell research

Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:55 pm
by dgreco
JoltinJoe wrote:
dbackjon wrote:
President Obama is not setting aside any funding for this - but rather not RESTRICTING it.

Any group that wishes to apply for funding must still show the validity as to why. No guarantee it will be funded.
Ok, still don't know why the President would even get involved in this. Research on adult stems cells is just as good, probably better, and no one has a moral or ethical issue with the research.
I am glad someone agrees with me at least a little. The Media (as a whole) twists this subject and so many ignorant to the subject do not understand what is actually changing. I am not opposed to government funding for science, but right now there are more important things and it seems too much like a appeasement type of move.

As for adult stem cells vs. embryonic stem cells that is a "moral" issue and why Bush opposed it and being a not so religious man I am not completely against it. It is just the timing and the twisting of the information that kills me.