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Most Unfit GOP Candidate
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 7:26 am
by kalm
I've heard several times that "Being There" is Peter Sellar's best movie. I need to see it sometime.
Oh... and this piece is spot-on about Carson. His popularity and the hope surrounding him cracks me up.
Donald Trump wants to round up 11 million people in two years for deportation. He approves of Russia’s incursion into Syria. He has a tax plan that adds at least $10 trillion to the debt. And with all that, he is not the most ignorant or unfit GOP presidential contender. That distinction goes to Ben Carson.
There is a Chauncey Gardner-like quality to Carson. He speaks softly, smiles a lot and lulls his audience into the belief he possess great insights and wisdom.
He is an esteemed neurosurgeon and a lovely dinner speaker. He is, however, entirely unfit for the presidency, seemingly oblivious to basic historical facts, constitutional concepts and world events. Surely conservative Republicans, especially some in the right-wing media who have fawned over him, should have figured this out by now.
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Re: Most Unfit GOP Candidate
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 7:29 am
by 93henfan
Weekend Update on SNL was hilarious last night. They have two anchors now; a black guy and a white guy. The black guy said something to the effect of:
"This is the first time you'll ever hear me say this: DO NOT VOTE FOR THE BLACK GUY! When I first heard of him I thought, 'wow, this guy is a real brain surgeon.' And then I listened to him speak and I thought, "wow, this guy is a real brain surgeon."
That summed it up perfectly.
Re: Most Unfit GOP Candidate
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:48 am
by Chizzang
I wasn't kidding when I suggested he would very likely be hit by a bus crossing the street...
He's the dumbest smart guy in politics right now
and the more chances he gets to "speak his mind" the more glaring his stupidity becomes
Re: Most Unfit GOP Candidate
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:52 am
by Grizalltheway
Anyone surprised that Alphie supported him before he ran off to Alaska? Anyone?
Re: Most Unfit GOP Candidate
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:09 am
by ∞∞∞
Ben Carson is a man who's very good at one thing. And that's fine...his career up to this point is very admirable. But the man seemingly ignores EVERY fact unrelated to neurosurgery. Each of us has a place in the world and some have more than one; Carson just has one and it's not politics.
I doubt he'll receive the nomination, but he'd get schooled in a debate vs. Clinton or Sanders.
Re: Most Unfit GOP Candidate
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 12:31 pm
by Ivytalk
Wow. Potent stuff, coming from WaPo's most conservative columnist, Jennifer Rubin.
At this point, I think the eventual GOP ticket will be Rubio-Fiorina. Trump and Carson will flame out.
Re: Most Unfit GOP Candidate
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 12:52 pm
by 93henfan
Ivytalk wrote:Wow. Potent stuff, coming from WaPo's most conservative columnist, Jennifer Rubin.
At this point, I think the eventual GOP ticket will be Rubio-Fiorina. Trump and Carson will flame out.
If they flipped that to Fiorina-Rubio it would be a dream ticket. I don't think you pick up any women with Fiorina as the veep, but you'd definitely pick up the wetbacks with Rubio as veep. Race is stronger than gender. Minorities vote straight skin color.
Re: Most Unfit GOP Candidate
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 1:45 pm
by CID1990
∞∞∞ wrote:but he'd get schooled in a debate vs. Clinton or Sanders.
anyone with a pulse could win a debate against those two-
With Sanders you just reply to each of his answers "how do you plan to pay for that?"
With Clinton you just ask her "how can we believe anything that comes out of your mouth?"
Clinton's got more baggage than Zsa Zsa Gabor going to her summer estate
Im really looking forward to crazy uncle Joe jumping in
Re: Most Unfit GOP Candidate
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 2:15 pm
by ∞∞∞
CID1990 wrote:∞∞∞ wrote:but he'd get schooled in a debate vs. Clinton or Sanders.
anyone with a pulse could win a debate against those two-
With Sanders you just reply to each of his answers "how do you plan to pay for that?"
With Clinton you just ask her "how can we believe anything that comes out of your mouth?"
Clinton's got more baggage than Zsa Zsa Gabor going to her summer estate
Im really looking forward to crazy uncle Joe jumping in
You can agree or disagree with their politics, but the two are good debaters. They're obviously not perfect at it, but both know the art pretty well (especially Clinton). All of us can debate on a message board when we have time and resources to formulate opinions, but I think only a few of us could actually go toe-to-toe with a politician with their experience on a national stage. I doubt Ben Carson can.
Re: Most Unfit GOP Candidate
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:16 pm
by Baldy
I'm no Ben Carson fanboy, but my God the bar has been set so low.
Seeing the Obama interview on 60 minutes tonight only solidified that fact. It was only a moderately difficult interview, but Obama looked like a guy who just woke up from a 10 year coma trying to use an iPhone.
Re: Most Unfit GOP Candidate
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:53 pm
by 93henfan
Baldy wrote:I'm no Ben Carson fanboy, but my God the bar has been set so low.
Seeing the Obama interview on 60 minutes tonight only solidified that fact. It was only a moderately difficult interview, but Obama looked like a guy who just woke up from a 10 year coma trying to use an iPhone.
Man, Obama was a defensive twit in that one.
And in the second segment, that current Louisiana prosecutor Dale Cox... that is one cold son of a bitch. Not really doing the south too proud there.
Re: Most Unfit GOP Candidate
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:17 am
by CID1990
∞∞∞ wrote:CID1990 wrote:
anyone with a pulse could win a debate against those two-
With Sanders you just reply to each of his answers "how do you plan to pay for that?"
With Clinton you just ask her "how can we believe anything that comes out of your mouth?"
Clinton's got more baggage than Zsa Zsa Gabor going to her summer estate
Im really looking forward to crazy uncle Joe jumping in
You can agree or disagree with their politics, but the two are good debaters. They're obviously not perfect at it, but both know the art pretty well (especially Clinton). All of us can debate on a message board when we have time and resources to formulate opinions, but I think only a few of us could actually go toe-to-toe with a politician with their experience on a national stage. I doubt Ben Carson can.
we'll see how good a debater Hillary is in a presidential debate when she has to defend her record as SecState without her handlers cutting people off
Re: Most Unfit GOP Candidate
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:05 am
by ∞∞∞
CID1990 wrote:∞∞∞ wrote:
You can agree or disagree with their politics, but the two are good debaters. They're obviously not perfect at it, but both know the art pretty well (especially Clinton). All of us can debate on a message board when we have time and resources to formulate opinions, but I think only a few of us could actually go toe-to-toe with a politician with their experience on a national stage. I doubt Ben Carson can.
we'll see how good a debater Hillary is in a presidential debate when she has to defend her record as SecState without her handlers cutting people off
She was pretty good in 2007 (you can watch YT videos of it). Clinton was a standout debater in secondary school and college and you can tell it's translated well into her political career. I'm not saying she can't mess up, but she definitely takes time to study up and seems to have honed her debating skills over a lifetime. That said, age can take a toll on any ability that requires quick and reflexive brain signals and Clinton is certainly no young lady.
Re: Most Unfit GOP Candidate
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:29 am
by GannonFan
93henfan wrote:Baldy wrote:I'm no Ben Carson fanboy, but my God the bar has been set so low.
Seeing the Obama interview on 60 minutes tonight only solidified that fact. It was only a moderately difficult interview, but Obama looked like a guy who just woke up from a 10 year coma trying to use an iPhone.
Man, Obama was a defensive twit in that one.
And in the second segment, that current Louisiana prosecutor Dale Cox... that is one cold son of a bitch. Not really doing the south too proud there.
Which is odd, because, at times, Obama can still sound incredibly intelligent. He gave an interview to NPR last week where he was defending the Trans-Pacific trade deal and it was an absolutely well thought out, extremely detailed, and well reasoned defense. He had total grasp of the topic and sold it well. But the times he does that are few and far between these days. Maybe it's pandering to an increasingly simpleton voter base - most voters today can't stay focused for more than a few sentences.
Re: Most Unfit GOP Candidate
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:41 am
by CID1990
∞∞∞ wrote:CID1990 wrote:
we'll see how good a debater Hillary is in a presidential debate when she has to defend her record as SecState without her handlers cutting people off
She was pretty good in 2007 (you can watch YT videos of it). Clinton was a standout debater in secondary school and college and you can tell it's translated well into her political career. I'm not saying she can't mess up, but she definitely takes time to study up and seems to have honed her debating skills over a lifetime. That said, age can take a toll on any ability that requires quick and reflexive brain signals and Clinton is certainly no young lady.
lots of important law breaking had not yet happened in 2007
but its OK- CNN has her back- they wont be using Jake Tapper for the debate
Theyve got sensitive gay dude to throw softballs
I hope Webb lays into her
Re: Most Unfit GOP Candidate
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 4:58 pm
by JohnStOnge
Winning the TV "debates" we have in the media as part of today's political realm is not about being able to win real debates. I know all you guys know that.
Re: Most Unfit GOP Candidate
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:28 am
by CID1990
My vote for the most unfit GOP candidate would be Hillary Clinton.
Re: Most Unfit GOP Candidate
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:15 am
by Baldy
CID1990 wrote:My vote for the most unfit GOP candidate would be Hillary Clinton.
I think you just gave kalm morning wood.
Re: Most Unfit GOP Candidate
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:36 am
by kalm
Re: Most Unfit GOP Candidate
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 8:02 am
by Chizzang
She's in bed with Wall Street and the Fed
She'll be loved by the Pentagon and spend on anything put in front of her regarding military
She's an unabashed corporate shill and corporate monopoly lover
She's everything you guys love in a candidate except she isn't a bible thumper
Re: Most Unfit GOP Candidate
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 8:06 am
by kalm
Chizzang wrote:She's in bed with Wall Street and the Fed
She'll be loved by the Pentagon and spend on anything put in front of her regarding military
She's an unabashed corporate shill and corporate monopoly lover
She's everything you guys love in a candidate except she isn't a bible thumper
She doesn't have a cock.
(I think).
Re: Most Unfit GOP Candidate
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 8:46 am
by CID1990
Chizzang wrote:She's in bed with Wall Street and the Fed
She'll be loved by the Pentagon and spend on anything put in front of her regarding military
She's an unabashed corporate shill and corporate monopoly lover
She's everything you guys love in a candidate except she isn't a bible thumper
I dont like any of those things
Im for strong defense (with smarter spending and less lighting dollars on fire) but thats where it ends for me
I just want someone with integrity
Only Webb and maybe one or two of the GoP hopefuls fit that bill (Sanders doesnt count)
Re: Most Unfit GOP Candidate
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 9:10 am
by Baldy
Chizzang wrote:She's in bed with Wall Street and the Fed
She'll be loved by the Pentagon and spend on anything put in front of her regarding military
She's an unabashed corporate shill and corporate monopoly lover
She's everything you guys love in a candidate except she isn't a bible thumper
Define "you guys".
Re: Most Unfit GOP Candidate
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 3:51 pm
by CitadelGrad
kalm wrote:Chizzang wrote:She's in bed with Wall Street and the Fed
She'll be loved by the Pentagon and spend on anything put in front of her regarding military
She's an unabashed corporate shill and corporate monopoly lover
She's everything you guys love in a candidate except she isn't a bible thumper
She doesn't have a cock.
(I think).
That's OK. She'll borrow Michelle's.
Re: Most Unfit GOP Candidate
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:43 pm
by dbackjon
Is there a fit one?
