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Just an FYI
Beliefs are nothing to be proud of
Believing something is not an accomplishment

We all grew up being schooled that beliefs are something to be proud of
but they’re really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider

Set in stone beliefs are easy...
The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to actual wisdom
The “strength of belief” is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself
As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are
Now you’ve made it a part of your ego - the whole "Who I Am" thing

Show me a staunch belief and I'll show you a closed door...
honest - ego free - scrutiny of ones beliefs should be the starting point



Here is something I believe: John StWrong will HATE this thread...

Chizzang + Haiku = Chiku

Finally figured out your writing style.

Chizzang wrote:Just an FYI
Beliefs are nothing to be proud of
Believing something is not an accomplishment

We all grew up being schooled that beliefs are something to be proud of
but they’re really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider

Set in stone beliefs are easy...
The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to actual wisdom
The “strength of belief” is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself
As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are
Now you’ve made it a part of your ego - the whole "Who I Am" thing

Show me a staunch belief and I'll show you a closed door...
honest - ego free - scrutiny of ones beliefs should be the starting point



Here is something I believe: John StWrong will HATE this thread...

this isnt just true of the religious right which is what you are referring to

identity politics on the left is another sacred cow that needs to regularly challenged

CID1990 wrote:

Chizzang wrote:Just an FYI
Beliefs are nothing to be proud of
Believing something is not an accomplishment

We all grew up being schooled that beliefs are something to be proud of
but they’re really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider

Set in stone beliefs are easy...
The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to actual wisdom
The “strength of belief” is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself
As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are
Now you’ve made it a part of your ego - the whole "Who I Am" thing

Show me a staunch belief and I'll show you a closed door...
honest - ego free - scrutiny of ones beliefs should be the starting point



Here is something I believe: John StWrong will HATE this thread...

this isnt just true of the religious right which is what you are referring to

identity politics on the left is another sacred cow that needs to regularly challenged

Actually I was mostly thinking about political ideological stuff...
and how John St.Wrong posted once that he could never change his mind about "X" idea

but agreed - it applies to everything we hold just a little too dear

Chizzang wrote:Just an FYI
Beliefs are nothing to be proud of
Believing something is not an accomplishment

We all grew up being schooled that beliefs are something to be proud of
but they’re really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider

Set in stone beliefs are easy...
The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to actual wisdom
The “strength of belief” is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself
As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are
Now you’ve made it a part of your ego - the whole "Who I Am" thing

Show me a staunch belief and I'll show you a closed door...
honest - ego free - scrutiny of ones beliefs should be the starting point



Here is something I believe: John StWrong will HATE this thread...

***The staunch beliefs of global warming, Keynesian economic theory, single payer health care, social justice, a "living wage", etc. are excluded from Chizz' above quoted rant.

Baldy wrote:single payer health care

lol.

I don't think "staunch" means what you think it means.

They compromised on health care and dropped a single payer system for Robama care.

I know you still hate it, but it's tough to argue that Democrats were more staunch in their beliefs than Republicans in this regard.

Baldy wrote:

Chizzang wrote:Just an FYI
Beliefs are nothing to be proud of
Believing something is not an accomplishment

We all grew up being schooled that beliefs are something to be proud of
but they’re really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider

Set in stone beliefs are easy...
The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to actual wisdom
The “strength of belief” is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself
As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are
Now you’ve made it a part of your ego - the whole "Who I Am" thing

Show me a staunch belief and I'll show you a closed door...
honest - ego free - scrutiny of ones beliefs should be the starting point



Here is something I believe: John StWrong will HATE this thread...

***The staunch beliefs of global warming, Keynesian economic theory, single payer health care, social justice, a "living wage", etc. are excluded from Chizz' above quoted rant.

Have you gone senile Baldy..?
Single payer healthcare..? I've never even posted on that
Regarding Global Warming I have been quick to point out the fraud on both sides
Keynesian economic theory..? I don't even know what that is

Living wage I could care less - I just know it gives you indigestion
Social justice, frankly is comedy

Comcast and ignored monopoly... that's where I lose my mind - Get your game tightened up there Baldy

I expected better from you

Chizzang wrote:

Baldy wrote: ***The staunch beliefs of global warming, Keynesian economic theory, single payer health care, social justice, a "living wage", etc. are excluded from Chizz' above quoted rant.

Have you gone senile Baldy..?
Single payer healthcare..? I've never even posted on that
Regarding Global Warming I have been quick to point out the fraud on both sides
Keynesian economic theory..? I don't even know what that is

Living wage I could care less - I just know it gives you indigestion
Social justice, frankly is comedy

Comcast and ignored monopoly... that's where I lose my mind - Get your game tightened up there Baldy

I expected better from you

wut?

Clitzorus is drunk tonight.

It wasn't a comment directed toward you, but an addendum to include the major components of a flawed leftist belief system. The religious right aren't the only ones who have closely held beliefs worthy of ridicule.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

Baldy wrote:single payer health care

lol.

I don't think "staunch" means what you think it means.

They compromised on health care and dropped a single payer system for Robama care.

I know you still hate it, but it's tough to argue that Democrats were more staunch in their beliefs than Republicans in this regard.

Cleets isn't the only one drunk tonight.

Chizzang wrote:Just an FYI
Beliefs are nothing to be proud of
Believing something is not an accomplishment

We all grew up being schooled that beliefs are something to be proud of
but they’re really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider

Set in stone beliefs are easy...
The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to actual wisdom
The “strength of belief” is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself
As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are
Now you’ve made it a part of your ego - the whole "Who I Am" thing

Show me a staunch belief and I'll show you a closed door...
honest - ego free - scrutiny of ones beliefs should be the starting point



Here is something I believe: John StWrong will HATE this thread...

This is where you get fucked up.
What if the belief is actually wisdom? Are you still not allowed to believe?
Who is to say what is right and what is wrong, and when in the timeline does "right" come along?

Baldy wrote:

Chizzang wrote:
Have you gone senile Baldy..?
Single payer healthcare..? I've never even posted on that
Regarding Global Warming I have been quick to point out the fraud on both sides
Keynesian economic theory..? I don't even know what that is

Living wage I could care less - I just know it gives you indigestion
Social justice, frankly is comedy

Comcast and ignored monopoly... that's where I lose my mind - Get your game tightened up there Baldy

I expected better from you

wut?

Clitzorus is drunk tonight.

It wasn't a comment directed toward you, but an addendum to include the major components of a flawed leftist belief system. The religious right aren't the only ones who have closely held beliefs worthy of ridicule.

If I'm not mistaken, the first post in this thread was pretty much apolitical. But man, CID and Baldy are all over it with moral indignation.



Of course vigorous belief to a fault occurs on both sides. I don't think anyone has claimed that it doesn't. Baldy, you made another nice addition to the conversation by using the word "system". Vigorous belief in a political system is even worse.

And what about vigorous non-belief? Perhaps atheists become as narrow minded in their refusal to imagine god as Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand followers due in their rejection of socialism? Refusal to acknowledge even the possibility of a creator or the fact we have been a successful mixed economy...

Famous hard core believing non-believers:







If we DO want to make this hyper-ideological, the line about JSO is a great starting point because he pretty much admits to seeing the world in black and white. That's a tendency of the right, to steadfastly remain self-assured. Prioritizing decisiveness over correctness is strong, admirable, etc.

kalm wrote: If I'm not mistaken, the first post in this thread was pretty much apolitical. But man, CID and Baldy are all over it with moral indignation.

Yeah, Chizz makes an apolitical post in the political forum.
You must be new around here. Welcome to the board.

Of course vigorous belief to a fault occurs on both sides. I don't think anyone has claimed that it doesn't. Baldy, you made another nice addition to the conversation by using the word "system". Vigorous belief in a political system is even worse.

And what about vigorous non-belief? Perhaps atheists become as narrow minded in their refusal to imagine god as Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand followers due in their rejection of socialism? Refusal to acknowledge even the possibility of a creator or the fact we have been a successful mixed economy...

If we DO want to make this hyper-ideological, the line about JSO is a great starting point because he pretty much admits to seeing the world in black and white. That's a tendency of the right, to steadfastly remain self-assured. Prioritizing decisiveness over correctness is strong, admirable, etc.

Ok.

I'm so glad the political left is able to see things in the various shades of gray.
The global warming is settled science crowd is the hippie version of "repent or perish".
Obamacare is the gray between the private health insurance model and a single payer system.

I so long for the day to be as nuanced as kalm...

Today is a day to be proud, I trolled me up a klam, Chizzstain, and lube boy in 1 post.

CAA Flagship wrote:
This is where you get fucked up.
What if the belief is actually wisdom? Are you still not allowed to believe?
Who is to say what is right and what is wrong, and when in the timeline does "right" come along?

Try this...
If your present belief on a specific topic encompasses the wisdom of understanding - as you suggest
Then there will be no need to defend it or even acknowledge it - it simply is

Here's an example...
Nobody argues about PI
Only on this forum do people debate PI
π is a mathematical constant commonly approximated as 3.14159

Baldy wrote: Obamacare is the gray between the private health insurance model and a single payer system.

The fact that you are in denial about this speaks for itself, really.

Do you think that it's a private health insurance model?

Do you think that it is a single payer system?

Do you think that it is in between?

It's not hard.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

Baldy wrote: Obamacare is the gray between the private health insurance model and a single payer system.

The fact that you are in denial about this speaks for itself, really.

Do you think that it's a private health insurance model?

Do you think that it is a single payer system?

Do you think that it is in between?

It's not hard.

My God you can be so dumb sometimes...houndawg dumb.

Baldy wrote:

kalm wrote: If I'm not mistaken, the first post in this thread was pretty much apolitical. But man, CID and Baldy are all over it with moral indignation.

Yeah, Chizz makes an apolitical post in the political forum.
You must be new around here. Welcome to the board.

Of course vigorous belief to a fault occurs on both sides. I don't think anyone has claimed that it doesn't. Baldy, you made another nice addition to the conversation by using the word "system". Vigorous belief in a political system is even worse.

And what about vigorous non-belief? Perhaps atheists become as narrow minded in their refusal to imagine god as Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand followers due in their rejection of socialism? Refusal to acknowledge even the possibility of a creator or the fact we have been a successful mixed economy...

If we DO want to make this hyper-ideological, the line about JSO is a great starting point because he pretty much admits to seeing the world in black and white. That's a tendency of the right, to steadfastly remain self-assured. Prioritizing decisiveness over correctness is strong, admirable, etc.

Ok.

I'm so glad the political left is able to see things in the various shades of gray.
The global warming is settled science crowd is the hippie version of "repent or perish".
Obamacare is the gray between the private health insurance model and a single payer system.

I so long for the day to be as nuanced as kalm...

Today is a day to be proud, I trolled me up a klam, Chizzstain, and lube boy in 1 post.

Yeah! You were the one doing the trolling for sure!

A man's got to believe in something.

I believe I'll go fishing.

kalm wrote:

Baldy wrote:

Yeah, Chizz makes an apolitical post in the political forum.
You must be new around here. Welcome to the board.


Ok.

I'm so glad the political left is able to see things in the various shades of gray.
The global warming is settled science crowd is the hippie version of "repent or perish".
Obamacare is the gray between the private health insurance model and a single payer system.

I so long for the day to be as nuanced as kalm...

Today is a day to be proud, I trolled me up a klam, Chizzstain, and lube boy in 1 post.

Yeah! You were the one doing the trolling for sure!

Chizz started it. I just put the exclamation point on it!!!!

Show me a staunch belief and I'll show you a closed door...

I believe that the Earth revolves around the Sun.

Also, I believe that if I put a glass of water in my freezer and nothing goes wrong with my freezer...no power losses or malfunctions....the liquid water will be ice if I check it 12 hours later.

Proceed.

Chizzang wrote:

CAA Flagship wrote:
This is where you get fucked up.
What if the belief is actually wisdom? Are you still not allowed to believe?
Who is to say what is right and what is wrong, and when in the timeline does "right" come along?

Try this...
If your present belief on a specific topic encompasses the wisdom of understanding - as you suggest
Then there will be no need to defend it or even acknowledge it - it simply is

Here's an example...
Nobody argues about PI
Only on this forum do people debate PI
π is a mathematical constant commonly approximated as 3.14159

But add a single letter to Pi, say "e", and you will have a debate.
Put the word "pizza" in front of "pie" and you will have a knock-down, drag-out, brouhaha.

JohnStOnge wrote:

Show me a staunch belief and I'll show you a closed door...

I believe that the Earth revolves around the Sun.

Also, I believe that if I put a glass of water in my freezer and nothing goes wrong with my freezer...no power losses or malfunctions....the liquid water will be ice if I check it 12 hours later.

Proceed.

Right... The scientific ones are more logical and simple (we agree John)
But your wife and family believe in a cosmic Santa Clause - so you defend that belief - because..?



Proceed

kalm wrote:

Baldy wrote: wut?

Clitzorus is drunk tonight.

It wasn't a comment directed toward you, but an addendum to include the major components of a flawed leftist belief system. The religious right aren't the only ones who have closely held beliefs worthy of ridicule.

If I'm not mistaken, the first post in this thread was pretty much apolitical. But man, CID and Baldy are all over it with moral indignation.



Of course vigorous belief to a fault occurs on both sides. I don't think anyone has claimed that it doesn't. Baldy, you made another nice addition to the conversation by using the word "system". Vigorous belief in a political system is even worse.

And what about vigorous non-belief? Perhaps atheists become as narrow minded in their refusal to imagine god as Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand followers due in their rejection of socialism? Refusal to acknowledge even the possibility of a creator or the fact we have been a successful mixed economy...

Famous hard core believing non-believers:







If we DO want to make this hyper-ideological, the line about JSO is a great starting point because he pretty much admits to seeing the world in black and white. That's a tendency of the right, to steadfastly remain self-assured. Prioritizing decisiveness over correctness is strong, admirable, etc.

Doubtful you considered what I said, but Clitz did. I won't rain too hard on your crush though, honey

CID1990 wrote:

kalm wrote:
If I'm not mistaken, the first post in this thread was pretty much apolitical. But man, CID and Baldy are all over it with moral indignation.



Of course vigorous belief to a fault occurs on both sides. I don't think anyone has claimed that it doesn't. Baldy, you made another nice addition to the conversation by using the word "system". Vigorous belief in a political system is even worse.

And what about vigorous non-belief? Perhaps atheists become as narrow minded in their refusal to imagine god as Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand followers due in their rejection of socialism? Refusal to acknowledge even the possibility of a creator or the fact we have been a successful mixed economy...

Famous hard core believing non-believers:







If we DO want to make this hyper-ideological, the line about JSO is a great starting point because he pretty much admits to seeing the world in black and white. That's a tendency of the right, to steadfastly remain self-assured. Prioritizing decisiveness over correctness is strong, admirable, etc.

Doubtful you considered what I said, but Clitz did. I won't rain too hard on your crush though, honey

Awwwww. Of course I considered it.

Remember, "nuance" (aka wishy-washy, weak) is a province of the left. The right doesn't have this problem as much because........................

Me thinks Cleets meant to say faith instead of belief. My beliefs are forever changing. My faith waivers at times but has stayed true, so far.

Chizzang wrote:Right... The scientific ones are more logical and simple (we agree John)
But your wife and family believe in a cosmic Santa Clause - so you defend that belief - because..?

And here I thought Cleets wasn't referring to religion. Go figure.