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Christie on Addiction/Treatment
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2015 7:32 pm
by CAA Flagship
This video is getting a lot of attention lately. Thoughts?
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Re: Christie on Addiction/Treatment
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 8:21 am
by andy7171
I completely agree with him. But I may be too close to the situation.
Re: Christie on Addiction/Treatment
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 9:33 am
by CAA Flagship
The devil is in the details of the plan.
There is a lot of talk about freeing prisoners of non-violent crimes early.
I can see this for drug "users". Let them go if they go through a treatment program.
I can't see it for sellers/distributors.
But then there are the users that are not (yet) imprisoned. This, I assume, is a much larger subset.
So the question is, how is this going to be paid for?
Certainly, if a savings from future treatment and/or incarceration due to rehabilitation can be realized, that would help with the expense. But it requires a lot of "up front" investment in order to financially benefit in the future.
This issue has a lot of moving parts.
Re: Christie on Addiction/Treatment
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 9:35 am
by andy7171
If you want to make quick money and a never ending supply of clients. Invest in rehabs. Obamacare will make you a rich puppy.
Re: Christie on Addiction/Treatment
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 8:07 pm
by BDKJMU
CAA Flagship wrote:The devil is in the details of the plan.
There is a lot of talk about freeing prisoners of non-violent crimes early.
[bI can see this for drug "users". Let them go if they go through a treatment program.
I can't see it for sellers/distributors.[/b]
But then there are the users that are not (yet) imprisoned. This, I assume, is a much larger subset.
So the question is, how is this going to be paid for?
Certainly, if a savings from future treatment and/or incarceration due to rehabilitation can be realized, that would help with the expense. But it requires a lot of "up front" investment in order to financially benefit in the future.
This issue has a lot of moving parts.
Most in prison are sellers, not just users...
Re: Christie on Addiction/Treatment
Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2015 7:57 am
by CAA Flagship
BDKJMU wrote:CAA Flagship wrote:The devil is in the details of the plan.
There is a lot of talk about freeing prisoners of non-violent crimes early.
[bI can see this for drug "users". Let them go if they go through a treatment program.
I can't see it for sellers/distributors.[/b]
But then there are the users that are not (yet) imprisoned. This, I assume, is a much larger subset.
So the question is, how is this going to be paid for?
Certainly, if a savings from future treatment and/or incarceration due to rehabilitation can be realized, that would help with the expense. But it requires a lot of "up front" investment in order to financially benefit in the future.
This issue has a lot of moving parts.
Most in prison are sellers, not just users...
That may be true. But we are talking treatment here. Sellers don't need treatment. They need to be kneecapped.
Re: Christie on Addiction/Treatment
Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2015 8:20 am
by kalm
BDKJMU wrote:CAA Flagship wrote:The devil is in the details of the plan.
There is a lot of talk about freeing prisoners of non-violent crimes early.
[bI can see this for drug "users". Let them go if they go through a treatment program.
I can't see it for sellers/distributors.[/b]
But then there are the users that are not (yet) imprisoned. This, I assume, is a much larger subset.
So the question is, how is this going to be paid for?
Certainly, if a savings from future treatment and/or incarceration due to rehabilitation can be realized, that would help with the expense. But it requires a lot of "up front" investment in order to financially benefit in the future.
This issue has a lot of moving parts.
Most in prison are sellers, not just users...
Sure. But what percentage are violent?
You can go to prison for things like having weed in more than one container (intent to distribute) and selling to a friend for cost (no profit).
If you think it's just degenerates who do the selling you are woefully ignorant.
Re: Christie on Addiction/Treatment
Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2015 7:42 pm
by BDKJMU
kalm wrote:BDKJMU wrote:
Most in prison are sellers, not just users...
Sure. But what percentage are violent?
You
can go to prison for things like having weed in more than one container (intent to distribute) and selling to a friend for cost (no profit).
If you think it's just degenerates who do the selling you are woefully ignorant.
Never said that

And "can" & "do" are 2 different things. I How many people do you think are in prison (not jail) for selling to a friend for cost/no profit or having a small amount in 2 containers?
Re: Christie on Addiction/Treatment
Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2015 8:36 pm
by Chizzang
BDKJMU wrote:kalm wrote:
Sure. But what percentage are violent?
You can go to prison for things like having weed in more than one container (intent to distribute) and selling to a friend for cost (no profit).
If you think it's just degenerates who do the selling you are woefully ignorant.
Never said that

And "can" & "do" are 2 different things. I How many people do you think are in prison (not jail) for selling to a friend for cost/no profit or having a small amount in 2 containers?
Actually you might be surprised at how many...

Re: Christie on Addiction/Treatment
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:10 am
by kalm
BDKJMU wrote:kalm wrote:
Sure. But what percentage are violent?
You can go to prison for things like having weed in more than one container (intent to distribute) and selling to a friend for cost (no profit).
If you think it's just degenerates who do the selling you are woefully ignorant.
Never said that

And "can" & "do" are 2 different things. I How many people do you think are in prison (not jail) for selling to a friend for cost/no profit or having a small amount in 2 containers?
I didn't say you said that.
Answer my question regarding how many are violent first.

Re: Christie on Addiction/Treatment
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 10:55 am
by JohnStOnge
Most impressive oratory I've heard from a political candidate not only this year but for many years. Don't know if I've ever heard a better one. Almost makes me want to reconsider the "no way I'd vote for that guy" stance that I adopted after he sucked up to Obama after Hurricane Sandy and on the eve of Presidential election.
I also think that if he did get the nomination he'd wipe the floor with Hillary.
Re: Christie on Addiction/Treatment
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 6:52 pm
by houndawg
JohnStOnge wrote:Most impressive oratory I've heard from a political candidate not only this year but for many years. Don't know if I've ever heard a better one. Almost makes me want to reconsider the "no way I'd vote for that guy" stance that I adopted after he sucked up to Obama after Hurricane Sandy and on the eve of Presidential election.
I also think that if he did get the nomination he'd wipe the floor with Hillary.
You're out of touch.

Re: Christie on Addiction/Treatment
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 7:15 am
by Gil Dobie
Would the cost of treatment be more than putting these people away for 10-15 years? Make the fine, the cost of the treatment. There is also free treatment out there in the anonymous groups, and some courts send people there. Like a few have said before me, many of the "dealer" convictions are people that are not major dealers, but maybe trying to make a few bucks or get by with free product.