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Sides square off on Maine gay marriage legislation

Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:15 pm
by dbackjon
Catholic diocese among opponents

Maine would join Massachusetts and Connecticut in allowing gay marriages if a bill before the Legislature in Augusta becomes law.

The operative word, however, is "if." People are lining up on both sides of the measure, new organizations are forming, clergy are taking active roles, and rhetoric is flying. It could be a drawn-out battle that continues through the summer and spills over into the fall.

At the center of attention is a bill sponsored by Sen. Dennis Damon, D-Trenton, that seeks to change the Maine statutes that govern civil marriage rights to allow marriage licenses to be issued to "any two persons ... regardless of the sex of such person."

Although announced in mid-January, the bill has just been printed and Damon is now gathering co-sponsors in advance of it being assigned to a Senate committee.

Among the co-sponsors is state Sen. Peter Bowman, whose district includes all of the towns in southern York County. Bowman said extending marriage rights to homosexuals "is the only fair thing to do." Saying homosexuality is "hard-wired" into people, "our society quite frankly needs to acknowledge that and then structure our institutions and traditions to be consistent and to be fair."

That concept of fairness is one that resonates with Betsy Smith of Equality Maine, a lead organization working to ensure passage of the bill.

"Marriage is a worldwide, recognized, honored institution. If you say, 'we're married,' there's a certain respect and dignity that comes with that. Gay people want the same social recognition for their unions that straight people do. The word means something. The word means a lot."

Precisely, said Mark Mutty, spokeman for the Catholic Diocese of Portland, which is among those groups opposing the bill.


http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/ ... -903150340

Re: Sides square off on Maine gay marriage legislation

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:55 am
by ASUMountaineer
dbackjon wrote:Catholic diocese among opponents

Maine would join Massachusetts and Connecticut in allowing gay marriages if a bill before the Legislature in Augusta becomes law.

The operative word, however, is "if." People are lining up on both sides of the measure, new organizations are forming, clergy are taking active roles, and rhetoric is flying. It could be a drawn-out battle that continues through the summer and spills over into the fall.

At the center of attention is a bill sponsored by Sen. Dennis Damon, D-Trenton, that seeks to change the Maine statutes that govern civil marriage rights to allow marriage licenses to be issued to "any two persons ... regardless of the sex of such person."

Although announced in mid-January, the bill has just been printed and Damon is now gathering co-sponsors in advance of it being assigned to a Senate committee.

Among the co-sponsors is state Sen. Peter Bowman, whose district includes all of the towns in southern York County. Bowman said extending marriage rights to homosexuals "is the only fair thing to do." Saying homosexuality is "hard-wired" into people, "our society quite frankly needs to acknowledge that and then structure our institutions and traditions to be consistent and to be fair."

That concept of fairness is one that resonates with Betsy Smith of Equality Maine, a lead organization working to ensure passage of the bill.

"Marriage is a worldwide, recognized, honored institution. If you say, 'we're married,' there's a certain respect and dignity that comes with that. Gay people want the same social recognition for their unions that straight people do. The word means something. The word means a lot."

Precisely, said Mark Mutty, spokeman for the Catholic Diocese of Portland, which is among those groups opposing the bill.


http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/ ... -903150340
Really? I don't live in Maine so this doesn't really effect me, but does she really think that telling people against gay marriage that Brad and Steve are legally married will make those people "respect" Brad and Steve? I'm not trying to be a d!ck, but if they don't respect them now, being able to say "married" isn't going to instantly make them respect a newly married gay couple.

With that said, why don't gays just say it now? I've never asked someone to see their marriage license :)

Re: Sides square off on Maine gay marriage legislation

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:57 am
by dbackjon
ASUMountaineer wrote:
dbackjon wrote:Catholic diocese among opponents

Maine would join Massachusetts and Connecticut in allowing gay marriages if a bill before the Legislature in Augusta becomes law.

The operative word, however, is "if." People are lining up on both sides of the measure, new organizations are forming, clergy are taking active roles, and rhetoric is flying. It could be a drawn-out battle that continues through the summer and spills over into the fall.

At the center of attention is a bill sponsored by Sen. Dennis Damon, D-Trenton, that seeks to change the Maine statutes that govern civil marriage rights to allow marriage licenses to be issued to "any two persons ... regardless of the sex of such person."

Although announced in mid-January, the bill has just been printed and Damon is now gathering co-sponsors in advance of it being assigned to a Senate committee.

Among the co-sponsors is state Sen. Peter Bowman, whose district includes all of the towns in southern York County. Bowman said extending marriage rights to homosexuals "is the only fair thing to do." Saying homosexuality is "hard-wired" into people, "our society quite frankly needs to acknowledge that and then structure our institutions and traditions to be consistent and to be fair."

That concept of fairness is one that resonates with Betsy Smith of Equality Maine, a lead organization working to ensure passage of the bill.

"Marriage is a worldwide, recognized, honored institution. If you say, 'we're married,' there's a certain respect and dignity that comes with that. Gay people want the same social recognition for their unions that straight people do. The word means something. The word means a lot."

Precisely, said Mark Mutty, spokeman for the Catholic Diocese of Portland, which is among those groups opposing the bill.


http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/ ... -903150340
Really? I don't live in Maine so this doesn't really effect me, but does she really think that telling people against gay marriage that Brad and Steve are legally married will make those people "respect" Brad and Steve? I'm not trying to be a d!ck, but if they don't respect them now, being able to say "married" isn't going to instantly make them respect a newly married gay couple.

With that said, why don't gays just say it now? I've never asked someone to see their marriage license :)

I think what she is alluding to is the special status that married folk get, and the ease of people knowing the couple's status.

As for your last statement :?: :?: :?: :?:

Re: Sides square off on Maine gay marriage legislation

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:16 am
by ASUMountaineer
dbackjon wrote:
ASUMountaineer wrote:
Really? I don't live in Maine so this doesn't really effect me, but does she really think that telling people against gay marriage that Brad and Steve are legally married will make those people "respect" Brad and Steve? I'm not trying to be a d!ck, but if they don't respect them now, being able to say "married" isn't going to instantly make them respect a newly married gay couple.

With that said, why don't gays just say it now? I've never asked someone to see their marriage license :)

I think what she is alluding to is the special status that married folk get, and the ease of people knowing the couple's status.

As for your last statement :?: :?: :?: :?:
I was attempting to be funny with the last statement. Any how, I imagined that would be the crux of the argument by her, but she didn't do a good job portraying it. The way she said it, it sounded like she thinks saying "we're married" is magical and people will look at you with absolute respect and admiration. I don't think the government sanctioning gay marriage is going to change how anyone against gay marriage views gays. That's my point.

How would they know any easier people are married? The easiest way is to look at the left ring finger. Other than wearing a ring, I wouldn't know if someone is married unless I knew them personally. In which case, the official legal status is moot.

I'm not trying to argue with you, or what Maine is doing, just didn't get her point. As to what Maine does, it doesn't matter to me, I don't live there. You know my stance on papa government deciding who can and cannot get married, so I won't rehash that. But, if it can't pass in Maine, it could be stuck with just the few states that now allow gay marriage. It will be interesting to see what happens.